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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Oct 18, 2019 15:05:24 GMT -5
it wasn't her knowledge of fighting (with a staff) that allowed her to beat Kylo Ren or his injuries, it was the Force. and as anyone who has seen the previous films can tell you... It is, though. How many times does Yoda or Obi-Wan or some other character tell someone to clear their mind and let the Force flow through them? That the Force will guide their movements while also obeying their commands? The completely untrained child Anakin is able to do it when podracing, before he even knows or understands what the Force is, so why not an adult who does?
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Post by Hit Girl on Oct 18, 2019 15:09:00 GMT -5
rey was part of luke's jedi school after her parents abandoned her, ben knew how powerful she really is and tried to make her join the knights, so luke was the one that took her to jakku in his final act mirroring his own past ..... then dumps that ship and goes to ahch-to in his x wing and sinks it to strand himself in isolation this would make of course PERFECT SENSE It does, which is why they didn't put it in the movies. Who has time for logical explanations of character origins when screentime must be devoted to porgs and rescuing space camels?
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Oct 18, 2019 15:10:27 GMT -5
rey was part of luke's jedi school after her parents abandoned her, ben knew how powerful she really is and tried to make her join the knights, so luke was the one that took her to jakku in his final act mirroring his own past ..... then dumps that ship and goes to ahch-to in his x wing and sinks it to strand himself in isolation this would make of course PERFECT SENSE It does, which is why they didn't put it in the movies. Who has time for logical explanations of character origins when screentime must be devoted to porgs and rescuing space camels? Don't forget weird fish nuns and milk-producing tittymonsters.
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Post by Hit Girl on Oct 18, 2019 15:15:41 GMT -5
It does, which is why they didn't put it in the movies. Who has time for logical explanations of character origins when screentime must be devoted to porgs and rescuing space camels? Don't forget weird fish nuns and milk-producing tittymonsters. Stop reminding me. I want to forget.
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Oct 18, 2019 16:02:48 GMT -5
it wasn't her knowledge of fighting (with a staff) that allowed her to beat Kylo Ren or his injuries, it was the Force. and as anyone who has seen the previous films can tell you... It is, though. How many times does Yoda or Obi-Wan or some other character tell someone to clear their mind and let the Force flow through them? That the Force will guide their movements while also obeying their commands? The completely untrained child Anakin is able to do it when podracing, before he even knows or understands what the Force is, so why not an adult who does? there is a difference between innate quick reflexes and magically becoming an expert sword fighter
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Oct 18, 2019 16:14:58 GMT -5
But let's be clear, firstly, beat Kylo Ren (kinda, since the fight is cut short due to the planet exploding) and that can be explained. Rey knows how to fight with her staff. It's not that much of a stretch that she can beat an injured Kylo Ren, who himself is a rookie remember. Kylo Ren is far from a rookie, and even if he was, he was still a hell of a lot more trained than Rey. and people always bring up the "she knows how to use a staff", but its a cheap cop out to explain bad writing. first, there is a world of difference between using a staff and using a sword. you don't stab with a staff. rewatch the fight and note how many times she tries to run him through. she wasn't fighting like she would staff, she was fighting like she would with a sword, which she wasn't trained to used. and second, the part of the fight the "staff"/injured people always forget: Kylo Ren was beating her until he mentioned the Force. she was running away and getting overpowered, and then he says "blah blah blah the Force", and she closes her eyes and does a Matrix download, and this is the point where suddenly she remembers she knows how to fight (with a staff) and suddenly the injuries Kylo's had the entire battle cause him to go from being at 80% to 8%. it wasn't her knowledge of fighting (with a staff) that allowed her to beat Kylo Ren or his injuries, it was the Force. and as anyone who has seen the previous films can tell you... it's a fun movie, but its glorified fan fiction with the requisite bad writing. and the Rey/Kylo Ren fight, like a lot of Rey's stuff in the movie, was bad writing Okay, it is a stretch but not that much of one. And honestly? losing that fight, then getting chewed out by Snoke at the beginning of The Last Jedi, including being straight up called a Darth Vader wannabe, was the best thing to happen to the character of Kylo Ren.
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Post by Push R Truth on Oct 18, 2019 16:15:41 GMT -5
milk-producing tittymonsters. Can all of us Star Wars Fans at least unite to say the milk-producing tittymonsters must be stopped, no matter the cost?
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Post by adamclark52 on Oct 18, 2019 16:16:04 GMT -5
If I can say one positive thing about the Last Jedi it’s that it was finally able to close an argument I’d been having with myself for fifteen years: which was the worst Star Wars movie: the Phantom Menace or Attack of the Clones?
Now there’s no question. The Last Jedi is worse than both.
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Post by EZ: Brainy Bae on Oct 18, 2019 16:23:05 GMT -5
Luke drinking alien titty milk straight from the source is iconic. I will not hear otherwise
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Post by chrom on Oct 18, 2019 16:25:48 GMT -5
Honestly they should've just had Finn be the main character instead of Rey.
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Post by Cyno on Oct 18, 2019 16:33:20 GMT -5
milk-producing tittymonsters. Can all of us Star Wars Fans at least unite to say the milk-producing tittymonsters must be stopped, no matter the cost?
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Oct 18, 2019 16:39:06 GMT -5
It is, though. How many times does Yoda or Obi-Wan or some other character tell someone to clear their mind and let the Force flow through them? That the Force will guide their movements while also obeying their commands? The completely untrained child Anakin is able to do it when podracing, before he even knows or understands what the Force is, so why not an adult who does? there is a difference between innate quick reflexes and magically becoming an expert sword fighter Your definition of becoming an expert sword fighter and mine are radically different. There's nothing particularly deft or skillful in what she does - it's almost all clumsy but aggressive broadsword offense while Kylo's backpeddling and basic parries when he attacks. Even the shoulder stab after she "Matrix downloads" isn't terribly skillful, since he'd left himself wide open after a wild swing. You'd do better to stick to questioning why Kylo suddenly lost all discipline and focus and allowed Rey to overpower him than try to pick apart why she showed marginal skill with a semi-familiar form of combat.
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Oct 18, 2019 17:43:11 GMT -5
You'd do better to stick to questioning why Kylo suddenly lost all discipline and focus and allowed Rey to overpower him than try to pick apart why she showed marginal skill with a semi-familiar form of combat. Well he's hardly cool and collected under pressure, the film already showed him having a full blown temper tantrum earlier.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Oct 18, 2019 18:08:13 GMT -5
You'd do better to stick to questioning why Kylo suddenly lost all discipline and focus and allowed Rey to overpower him than try to pick apart why she showed marginal skill with a semi-familiar form of combat. Well he's hardly cool and collected under pressure, the film already showed him having a full blown temper tantrum earlier. Exactly. These movies aren't as clever as they think they are, but neither are they anywhere near as stupid and nonsensical as their detractors claim.
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Post by Cyno on Oct 18, 2019 18:18:06 GMT -5
It's also why Snoke got caught off-guard by his surprise lightsaber skewer in TLJ: he never really expected it since he thought of Ben as a blunt instrument of destruction. It was a kind of cunning he didn't expect from his apprentice who had never really shown it before.
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Oct 18, 2019 19:41:40 GMT -5
there is a difference between innate quick reflexes and magically becoming an expert sword fighter Your definition of becoming an expert sword fighter and mine are radically different. There's nothing particularly deft or skillful in what she does - it's almost all clumsy but aggressive broadsword offense while Kylo's backpeddling and basic parries when he attacks. Even the shoulder stab after she "Matrix downloads" isn't terribly skillful, since he'd left himself wide open after a wild swing. You'd do better to stick to questioning why Kylo suddenly lost all discipline and focus and allowed Rey to overpower him than try to pick apart why she showed marginal skill with a semi-familiar form of combat. watch her before Kylo says "the Force" and after. she went from being damn near completely incompetent to beating him, all because he said "the Force" it was badly written
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Oct 18, 2019 20:01:03 GMT -5
Your definition of becoming an expert sword fighter and mine are radically different. There's nothing particularly deft or skillful in what she does - it's almost all clumsy but aggressive broadsword offense while Kylo's backpeddling and basic parries when he attacks. Even the shoulder stab after she "Matrix downloads" isn't terribly skillful, since he'd left himself wide open after a wild swing. You'd do better to stick to questioning why Kylo suddenly lost all discipline and focus and allowed Rey to overpower him than try to pick apart why she showed marginal skill with a semi-familiar form of combat. watch her before Kylo says "the Force" and after. she went from being damn near completely incompetent to beating him, all because he said "the Force" it was badly written I did. Several times. She went from swinging her lightsaber like a club with the occasional clumsy thrust while he effortlessly parried to... swinging her lightsaber like a club with the occasional clumsy thrust while he lost his composure and stumbled around. By no means does she become in any way an "expert sword fighter." By the standards of any of the previous movies except A New Hope she'd have been dead in seconds, especially against someone like Maul, Palpatine, or ROTS Anakin. It's not subtlety or cleverly done, but the scene clearly conveys that she realised the only way she was getting out alive was to let the Force help her control her fear and guide her actions, which - going back to your original point - is well established as exactly how the Force works. As to whether it's well-written or not... everybody's mileage varies. I don't think it's the best writing, but it's far from the worst the saga has ever seen.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2019 21:15:21 GMT -5
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Post by Cyno on Oct 18, 2019 21:17:33 GMT -5
watch her before Kylo says "the Force" and after. she went from being damn near completely incompetent to beating him, all because he said "the Force" it was badly written I did. Several times. She went from swinging her lightsaber like a club with the occasional clumsy thrust while he effortlessly parried to... swinging her lightsaber like a club with the occasional clumsy thrust while he lost his composure and stumbled around. By no means does she become in any way an "expert sword fighter." By the standards of any of the previous movies except A New Hope she'd have been dead in seconds, especially against someone like Maul, Palpatine, or ROTS Anakin. It's not subtlety or cleverly done, but the scene clearly conveys that she realised the only way she was getting out alive was to let the Force help her control her fear and guide her actions, which - going back to your original point - is well established as exactly how the Force works. As to whether it's well-written or not... everybody's mileage varies. I don't think it's the best writing, but it's far from the worst the saga has ever seen. Also if the planet wasn't literally exploding around them, I think Kylo Ren would've eventually won that fight despite his injuries.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2019 21:32:41 GMT -5
Also, going to the official AMC page for ROS, they have times for the showtimes on opening night, so I'm banking on this Monday being when tickets go on sale and also the final trailer.
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