riseofsetian1981
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Oct 16, 2019 17:03:19 GMT -5
A lot of viewers believe that the last half of the film was all in Arthur's head. Those theories presented never made sense given the direction of those specific delusions. {Spoiler}One YouTube viewer commented on the belief that Arthur never made it to the studio after getting hit by the taxi cab, venturing toward the idea that his interactions and appearance on the Murray show, along with the riots were in his head. His views along with the way he constructed the theory did make plausible sense to a degree. I pointed out that Arthur was no longer on his medicine, plus why would we want to kill Murray if it was in his head? We saw his earlier delusion with Murray and how Murray treated him like a son. Realistically he would've had a delusion where his act was universally loved, Murray wouldn't have made fun of him, and he would've never killed him.
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riseofsetian1981
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Oct 16, 2019 17:06:13 GMT -5
The ending were they dragged him out the car and were cheering him in the streets was in his head. Ill have to rewatch for others. Yea, that def seems to at least be one just for how he was worshipped tho in saying that, it makes you wonder if Wayne getting killed was his delusion too. Tho that probably still happened, as the chaos still took place but the stuff with him on the car was probably in his head {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW} There is also the Thomas Wayne stuff that threw me for a loop and the picture of Arthur mother with Thomas signature tho she could have easily written that {Spoiler}Definitely wasn't in his head. Why would he want Martha to be killed in his delusion? Thomas yes, he'd have no reason to think about Martha being killed in the process. Let's not forget that he wouldn't have a delusion of nearly getting himself killed in the process either. This is the beauty of the film though. Everything is literally up for interpretation and the fact that the theories are being discussed demonstrates the power of the film.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Oct 16, 2019 17:13:10 GMT -5
Yea, that def seems to at least be one just for how he was worshipped tho in saying that, it makes you wonder if Wayne getting killed was his delusion too. Tho that probably still happened, as the chaos still took place but the stuff with him on the car was probably in his head {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}There is also the Thomas Wayne stuff that threw me for a loop and the picture of Arthur mother with Thomas signature tho she could have easily written that {Spoiler}{Spoiler}Definitely wasn't in his head. Why would he want Martha to be killed in his delusion? Thomas yes, he'd have no reason to think about Martha being killed in the process. Let's not forget that he wouldn't have a delusion of nearly getting himself killed in the process either. This is the beauty of the film though. Everything is literally up for interpretation and the fact that the theories are being discussed demonstrates the power of the film. {Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}Martha isn't really the issue though. The issue is Thomas. He never met Martha so not like he cares for her one way or the other but she can represent the high life just like Thomas. He met Bruce, and put a "smile on his face".
Also, himself getting himself nearly killed is just a means to an end. At the end of the day, the people worship him so the potential broken bones is only a small price
Tho as you said, everything can interpreted and looked at under a microscope just because we have certain things to look back on and think about
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Post by 'Foretold' Joker on Oct 17, 2019 3:40:34 GMT -5
Joker watched Joker. I liked it and thought Joaquin Phoenix was excellent through out. The story was good and though it lifted ideas from other movies I think it is still it's own thing. {Spoiler}The late night show finale, rage, death of Murray was really well done.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Oct 20, 2019 1:57:30 GMT -5
Oof. Take the L, Leto.
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Post by schizo on Oct 20, 2019 2:26:59 GMT -5
I thought Leto's take on the joker was a tragedy, than I realized, its a f***ing comedy
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Post by Fade on Oct 20, 2019 2:34:41 GMT -5
He’s got his band and his followers/cult-thing, his looks, his fame, his money, his film career will continue to prosper but he’s never going to escape being the shit-sammich in between two incredible portrayals of the same character.
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riseofsetian1981
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Oct 20, 2019 12:19:01 GMT -5
I doubt Leto cares that much about any of this and is most likely trolling. He has his band, an Academy Award, and is a sought after actor. There's no way he could be in his feelings about Joaquin's portrayal of Joker.
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riseofsetian1981
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Oct 21, 2019 11:33:22 GMT -5
What are the odds that Joker crosses into the billion dollar territory? It's currently sitting at $737 million right now worldwide.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Oct 21, 2019 14:23:19 GMT -5
This is the beauty of the film though. Everything is literally up for interpretation and the fact that the theories are being discussed demonstrates the power of the film. Or, alternately:
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Post by Fade on Oct 21, 2019 14:44:36 GMT -5
What are the odds that Joker crosses into the billion dollar territory? It's currently sitting at $737 million right now worldwide. Think it’s got a good shot. Even without China. Man, it’s impressive enough and you take into consideration the budget and it’s like, “damn”. WB execs must be happy.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Oct 21, 2019 15:20:30 GMT -5
This is the beauty of the film though. Everything is literally up for interpretation and the fact that the theories are being discussed demonstrates the power of the film. Or, alternately: Of course. It's obvious "The Killing Joke" was a huge inspiration into the making of the film and seeing as Joker has no set origin, any presentation could be a viable one and viewers/readers wouldn't be wrong in their interpretation.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Oct 21, 2019 15:59:53 GMT -5
What are the odds that Joker crosses into the billion dollar territory? It's currently sitting at $737 million right now worldwide. Think it’s got a good shot. Even without China. Man, it’s impressive enough and you take into consideration the budget and it’s like, “damn”. WB execs must be happy. They have to be massively happy with its success. Given how much it had going against it in the first place, how much it's made since it's release is absolutely insane and amazing at the same time. If this film ends up grossing a billion I believe it will be the first R rated film to do so.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Oct 21, 2019 17:44:43 GMT -5
I'm on my third time watching "Joker" and even that many viewings I find myself noticing new things I missed. One detail of a scene that I didn't notice at first was the subway sequence. {Spoiler}Despite his mental state Arthur was remarkably intelligent and methodical. I didn't notice how he waited for the train to begin its move before executing the third guy. The noise of the train masked the gun shots which was very smart on his end. {Spoiler}I couldn't believe how I didn't immediately notice his interactions with his neighbor was in his head. The first clue was the initial meeting in the elevator when he did the finger gun to his head afterwards, her reaction wasn't one of interest or amusement. She seemed initially creeped out by him momentarily. {Spoiler} When he steals the files from the clerk at Arkham opens up the notion that everything might've been in his head. He wouldn't have gotten far as an orderly would've tackled him and he most likely would've been instituted immediately. Every single time I am completely blown away by the content and the theories of this film. It's such a breath of fresh air in the cinema department and I can only hope WB/DC continue this DC Black launch of darker experimental stories.
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Post by Shark on Oct 21, 2019 19:37:20 GMT -5
What are the odds that Joker crosses into the billion dollar territory? It's currently sitting at $737 million right now worldwide. For a movie that only cost in the 50-70 million dollar range, that is an insane return. Kind of funny to think that before the movie came out and all the worry about potential violence the movie could incite, it's proven to be an incredible money maker for WB.
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Post by The Ichi on Oct 23, 2019 14:27:07 GMT -5
Honestly, I don't think it'd be that difficult to do a sequel. Bruce looked to be about...7/8? Only about 15 years would need to pass, you could easily get away with that.
That being said, it doesn't need one and is fine as a standalone film.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Oct 23, 2019 14:46:12 GMT -5
I'm still sort of befuddled that anyone didn't see that the neighbor thing was completely in his head. Have seen many people saying that, but it felt like they couldn't have telegraphed it more had she been wearing a sign saying "I'm not actually here. Dude is nuts."
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Post by Rican on Oct 23, 2019 15:26:14 GMT -5
I only knew about {Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}the neighbor twist because some asshole on Facebook spoiled it. Which prompted me to see the movie sooner lol. I thought the movie was really good, Phoenix was great. It was kind of predictable with how it played out but a fun ride.
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Post by Dub H on Oct 23, 2019 15:29:49 GMT -5
I'm still sort of befuddled that anyone didn't see that the neighbor thing was completely in his head. Have seen many people saying that, but it felt like they couldn't have telegraphed it more had she been wearing a sign saying "I'm not actually here. Dude is nuts." "Yeh it is completely natural she saw him stalking her and wanted to go out" "you totally go up to a woman's house you barely know ,force a kiss and she loves it" Yeh if it wasnt a delusion it would have been a pretty sloppy story
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Oct 23, 2019 15:40:50 GMT -5
It felt like if you'd seen say Fight Club, you'd have seen it coming a mile away. Not knocking those who didn't, it's just the first time I heard someone say they were surprised I thought: "Really?"
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