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Post by arrogantmodel on Nov 20, 2019 14:12:30 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}There are certain times where the aspect of it being in his mind is plausible. For example, after watching it three times, the ending where he's handcuffed in the backseat with the ambulance ramming the police unit that he's in. It's quite possible that he died right there since the whiplash effect, along with him being cuffed and not secured with a seatbelt would've killed him. Thus resulting in the whole possibility that the entire end is him experiencing his dying moments to a cheering mob. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}No way he would've been able to kill his mom without a nurse rushing in once her heart monitor started to go off. That could've potentially been in his head too. Todd Phillips did say the film is completely open to interpretation and I can see what he's talking about. You could literally watch this film and form your own conclusion given how it was presented. It’s an American Psycho situation, where the audience is free to interpret as many parts as they’d like as real vs. imaginary, and whichever combination it’s interpreted from can convey different themes (ex: if all the murders were in Patrick’s head, it’s about how a yuppie mediocrity can go through his daily life with a head full of revenge fantasies because he hates his life; if the murders were real, then it’s about a superficial culture which ignores or downplays such events either due to apathy or image consciousness). And I’m glad for this film’s success. If there’s any one takeaway I hope filmmakers take from this, it’s that, given the film’s low budget and how it didn’t need China to be such a success, less really is more. Whether you like or dislike Joker in particular, I hope its success at least convinces filmmakers to go back to basics and focus on plot, acting, and fundamentals. Except Patrick Bateman DID actually do all that stuff. There's no interpretation. Even the author said that Bateman really did commit the murders.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Nov 20, 2019 15:33:17 GMT -5
WB would be dumb not to go to the well again on this.
Joker captured the zeitgeist and make a billion without any money from China on a relatively tiny budget.
So yeah give me the crazy quilt movie
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Nov 20, 2019 23:36:20 GMT -5
I say don't do a sequel to Joker. Adapt the graphic novel "Arkham Asylum" into a live action film and have Joaquin reprise his role. It's the perfect sequel with the time jump and an established Batman in a darker, grittier, and depressing setting compared to "Joker". Ride off that successful momentum, don't rush the material, let it marinate before jumping into the fray again.
A Lex Luthor solo film only works with Superman involved. Joker is enough of a colorful, electrifying, and unique enough character to keep the story interesting without Batman. Luthor's prime existence is his overall hatred of Superman and that doesn't work without him in the mix.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Nov 21, 2019 0:07:12 GMT -5
I say don't do a sequel to Joker. Adapt the graphic novel "Arkham Asylum" into a live action film and have Joaquin reprise his role. It's the perfect sequel with the time jump and an established Batman in a darker, grittier, and depressing setting compared to "Joker". Ride off that successful momentum, don't rush the material, let it marinate before jumping into the fray again. A Lex Luthor solo film only works with Superman involved. Joker is enough of a colorful, electrifying, and unique enough character to keep the story interesting without Batman. Luthor's prime existence is his overall hatred of Superman and that doesn't work without him in the mix. Yeah..I don’t see the Lex thing. TBH I just think of Michael Rosenbaum.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Nov 21, 2019 1:21:20 GMT -5
I say don't do a sequel to Joker. Adapt the graphic novel "Arkham Asylum" into a live action film and have Joaquin reprise his role. It's the perfect sequel with the time jump and an established Batman in a darker, grittier, and depressing setting compared to "Joker". Ride off that successful momentum, don't rush the material, let it marinate before jumping into the fray again. A Lex Luthor solo film only works with Superman involved. Joker is enough of a colorful, electrifying, and unique enough character to keep the story interesting without Batman. Luthor's prime existence is his overall hatred of Superman and that doesn't work without him in the mix. Yeah..I don’t see the Lex thing. TBH I just think of Michael Rosenbaum. Only way a Lex solo film works is if Superman is involved and established. Superman HAS to be in the mix. Fans and critics were complaining about the tone in "Man of Steel" and "Batman vs. Superman". If they're using the same exact tone and atmosphere for Lex as they did for "Joker", it'll be more of the same complaints seeing as you almost have to make Superman the villain to a certain degree. I say no to a solo Lex film. Since they're exploring more of the elseworlds universe of DC comics. Adapt "Arkham Asylum", "Batman vs. Dracula", "No Man's Land", "Flashpoint"(Let's be honest, Flashpoint is perfect for an Elseworlds film).
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2019 8:26:47 GMT -5
WB would be dumb not to go to the well again on this. Joker captured the zeitgeist and make a billion without any money from China on a relatively tiny budget. So yeah give me the crazy quilt movie Nah man, what we need is a Condiment King movie.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Nov 21, 2019 11:05:28 GMT -5
Make the second Joker movie the ultimate troll job.
At the apex of the film, Joker's back is against a stained glass window, then Batman crashes through the glass and yanks the f***er up to the rooftop and leaves him for Gordon to collect.
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Post by ogreknee on Nov 21, 2019 11:33:56 GMT -5
Ooh a squeakquel
I hope we get some more arkham delusion stuff.
I guess they could go with killing joke here.
I want the next villain to get this to be slade.
Using the same kind of mythos as young justice and teen titans.
Or they could do vandal savage vs darkseid and really f*** things up
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Post by The Wild Man of Borneo on Nov 21, 2019 12:45:44 GMT -5
If they're going to give any villain the Joker treatment, it's going to be one that the general public knows.
It's not going to be Darkseid, who's tied up with the New Gods movie anyway. Deathstroke--nnnnnnuuuhhhh, he'd probably get his own movie somewhere down the line, but it'll be a mainstream DC movie. For a Joker-type film, you'd need a character who's a cultural icon.
There are the likely Bat-villains, but Reeves/Pattinson would have dibs on them. So the only other character I see who would fit the bill is Lex.
As mentioned, though, it would have to have Superman in it to make it work. But then, except for that new TV series in the works, it's not like they're doing anything with him on the movie side at the moment.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Nov 21, 2019 13:45:06 GMT -5
If they're going to give any villain the Joker treatment, it's going to be one that the general public knows. It's not going to be Darkseid, who's tied up with the New Gods movie anyway. Deathstroke--nnnnnnuuuhhhh, he'd probably get his own movie somewhere down the line, but it'll be a mainstream DC movie. For a Joker-type film, you'd need a character who's a cultural icon. There are the likely Bat-villains, but Reeves/Pattinson would have dibs on them. So the only other character I see who would fit the bill is Lex. As mentioned, though, it would have to have Superman in it to make it work. But then, except for that new TV series in the works, it's not like they're doing anything with him on the movie side at the moment. Just straight up adapt "Arkham Asylum". It's the perfect film for the tone they've already established for this universe. You can do the time jump with an already solidified Batman, an older Joker, and since it's an "elseworlds" time there's no need to tie anything into the story. It can remain its own self contained concept.
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Post by thechase on Nov 21, 2019 13:47:59 GMT -5
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Nov 21, 2019 13:58:25 GMT -5
Phillips has been consistent with his views in regards to a sequel. I believe he understands the importance of letting the story marinate and not rushing a sequel because of its monster success. I honestly don't believe a straight sequel to this film is even necessary. Attempting to force a sequel would only guarantee a mediocre to horrible film. Explore other storylines using the elseworlds universe.
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Post by King Boo on Nov 21, 2019 14:08:58 GMT -5
Maybe this is just me, but I don't think Joker needs any kind of sequel at all. I'm sure it'll get one because Hollywood now looks at it and sees dollar signs out the wazoo, but ideally the movie should just... be.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Nov 21, 2019 14:28:51 GMT -5
Maybe this is just me, but I don't think Joker needs any kind of sequel at all. I'm sure it'll get one because Hollywood now looks at it and sees dollar signs out the wazoo, but ideally the movie should just... be. That's why I suggest doing another stand alone film that bears no connection with "Joker". You can have Joaquin reprise his role as Joker and have it take place in another timeline.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Nov 21, 2019 15:00:00 GMT -5
As we're on page 52, I now submit for your approval via the modern miracle of CGI and a lack of morality:
Crisis on Infinite Jokers.
Romero Joker vs Nicholson Joker vs Curtis Armstrong Joker vs Stoneburner Joker vs Ledger Joker vs Monaghan Joker vs Phoenix Joker with a cameo voice appearance from Hamill's Joker (the movie actually turns out to be a story set with in the snow globe of a paralyzed Hamill Joker's imagination.
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Post by ogreknee on Nov 21, 2019 20:09:09 GMT -5
Maybe this is just me, but I don't think Joker needs any kind of sequel at all. I'm sure it'll get one because Hollywood now looks at it and sees dollar signs out the wazoo, but ideally the movie should just... be. That's why I suggest doing another stand alone film that bears no connection with "Joker". You can have Joaquin reprise his role as Joker and have it take place in another timeline. I want no references to this I just want him to be in arkham. Like it should be a one flew over the cuckoos nest Throw in hammil, jack nicholson, arnold, billy dee williams, and danny devito
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