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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2019 14:06:32 GMT -5
It's still weird to me that such a mediocre movie has been so polarizing either way. Perfect storm I guess. Reminder that Venom was completely eviscerated by critics and what have you, but made close to a billion.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Nov 9, 2019 14:13:49 GMT -5
True, but I don't even mean money wise; just as far as love, hate and controversy.
Joker isn't a bad movie by any stretch, but it's square in the middle of 'ok'. It'd be like people going apeshit over the first Thor or something.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Nov 9, 2019 14:14:53 GMT -5
As is people’s vendetta against it. Right, that's what I mean by it being polarizing; you see both the love&hate and go "Really? For this one?"
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2019 18:46:23 GMT -5
So watched it tonight with wife and friends .....Quite enjoyed it and I loved how it could genuinely work as an origin for Joker (I mean apart from the fact that it would make Batman in his prime as a guy who physically assaults a 60 year old man with a mental illness ha) {Spoiler}I got the sense that the entire film is in his head based on the last scene[\spoiler]
Genuinely thought that that scene where he got in the elevator in full make up was awesome too
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Nov 9, 2019 22:25:55 GMT -5
So watched it tonight with wife and friends .....Quite enjoyed it and I loved how it could genuinely work as an origin for Joker (I mean apart from the fact that it would make Batman in his prime as a guy who physically assaults a 60 year old man with a mental illness ha) {Spoiler}{Spoiler}I got the sense that the entire film is in his head based on the last scene[\spoiler]
Genuinely thought that that scene where he got in the elevator in full make up was awesome too {Spoiler}It can be either or in terms of whether or not you believe it actually happened. I stand on the belief that everything happened with my mind being open to the idea that the very end with him on top of the police unit was in his head.
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Post by hassanchop on Nov 9, 2019 22:38:52 GMT -5
Remember that commercial from GTA VCS?
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Nov 11, 2019 2:35:13 GMT -5
Currently sitting at $984 million worldwide. It's definitely hitting a billion this weekend for sure. The first R rated film to hit the billion dollar mark in cinema history and without China? That's insane.
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Post by Alexander The So-so on Nov 11, 2019 9:21:53 GMT -5
as for delusions ..... the only time he had such "daydreams" was the first time we got to see him and penny watching the talk show, Arthur is imagining himself on it nothing else made me think it was all in his mind {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}There are certain times where the aspect of it being in his mind is plausible. For example, after watching it three times, the ending where he's handcuffed in the backseat with the ambulance ramming the police unit that he's in. It's quite possible that he died right there since the whiplash effect, along with him being cuffed and not secured with a seatbelt would've killed him. Thus resulting in the whole possibility that the entire end is him experiencing his dying moments to a cheering mob. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}No way he would've been able to kill his mom without a nurse rushing in once her heart monitor started to go off. That could've potentially been in his head too. Todd Phillips did say the film is completely open to interpretation and I can see what he's talking about. You could literally watch this film and form your own conclusion given how it was presented. It’s an American Psycho situation, where the audience is free to interpret as many parts as they’d like as real vs. imaginary, and whichever combination it’s interpreted from can convey different themes (ex: if all the murders were in Patrick’s head, it’s about how a yuppie mediocrity can go through his daily life with a head full of revenge fantasies because he hates his life; if the murders were real, then it’s about a superficial culture which ignores or downplays such events either due to apathy or image consciousness). And I’m glad for this film’s success. If there’s any one takeaway I hope filmmakers take from this, it’s that, given the film’s low budget and how it didn’t need China to be such a success, less really is more. Whether you like or dislike Joker in particular, I hope its success at least convinces filmmakers to go back to basics and focus on plot, acting, and fundamentals.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Nov 11, 2019 11:24:31 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}There are certain times where the aspect of it being in his mind is plausible. For example, after watching it three times, the ending where he's handcuffed in the backseat with the ambulance ramming the police unit that he's in. It's quite possible that he died right there since the whiplash effect, along with him being cuffed and not secured with a seatbelt would've killed him. Thus resulting in the whole possibility that the entire end is him experiencing his dying moments to a cheering mob. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}No way he would've been able to kill his mom without a nurse rushing in once her heart monitor started to go off. That could've potentially been in his head too. Todd Phillips did say the film is completely open to interpretation and I can see what he's talking about. You could literally watch this film and form your own conclusion given how it was presented. It’s an American Psycho situation, where the audience is free to interpret as many parts as they’d like as real vs. imaginary, and whichever combination it’s interpreted from can convey different themes (ex: if all the murders were in Patrick’s head, it’s about how a yuppie mediocrity can go through his daily life with a head full of revenge fantasies because he hates his life; if the murders were real, then it’s about a superficial culture which ignores or downplays such events either due to apathy or image consciousness). And I’m glad for this film’s success. If there’s any one takeaway I hope filmmakers take from this, it’s that, given the film’s low budget and how it didn’t need China to be such a success, less really is more. Whether you like or dislike Joker in particular, I hope its success at least convinces filmmakers to go back to basics and focus on plot, acting, and fundamentals. You know, that's actually a wonderful comparison you brought up. I didn't even remotely think about the "American Psycho" concept and I could definitely see how similar they are in their methods. My concern is studios such as WB will get arrogant, forget what made "Joker" work in the first place, only for them to start churning out similar films at a rapid pace without the proper care going into them.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Nov 15, 2019 14:36:46 GMT -5
"Joker" has officially made cinema and box office history as the first R rated film to hit the billion dollar worldwide mark.
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Post by DSR on Nov 15, 2019 19:08:17 GMT -5
Finally got around to seeing this today. It was pretty good. About what I expected it to be.
*shrug*
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Post by DSR on Nov 15, 2019 19:08:44 GMT -5
"Joker" has officially made cinema and box office history as the first R rated film to hit the billion dollar worldwide mark. You're welcome Joaquin. I'm sure it was my ticket that put you over the line.
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Post by Glitch on Nov 16, 2019 0:39:39 GMT -5
I hope this leads to studios not trying to make everything Pg-13.
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Post by "Cane Dewey" Johnson on Nov 16, 2019 3:23:34 GMT -5
I hope this leads to studios not trying to make everything Pg-13. My guess is that the success of Joker will lead studios back to mid-budget level movies... only if said movies are also tied to some established intellectual property.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Nov 20, 2019 10:27:44 GMT -5
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Post by thechase on Nov 20, 2019 10:53:18 GMT -5
Please do Lex next.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Nov 20, 2019 12:13:23 GMT -5
I’m confuzzled. They wanna do a sequel with Phoenix and another origin of a villain? As two projects or one?
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Nov 20, 2019 12:46:20 GMT -5
I’m confuzzled. They wanna do a sequel with Phoenix and another origin of a villain? As two projects or one? Two projects, beginning with Joker 2. Maybe three, if Phillips is indeed interested in doing Lex and Darkseid movies as well.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Nov 20, 2019 12:55:18 GMT -5
A Joker sequel might be appropro if there’s a huge time jump and we see him in the apex of his villainy.
The other origin story has me wondering who and what in the f*** Phillips has in mind.
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Post by BorneAgain on Nov 20, 2019 13:08:08 GMT -5
The other origin story has me wondering who and what in the f*** Phillips has in mind. "I used to think my problems would be over easy, but now I realize..." {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW} "...the yolk's on me."
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