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Post by nisidhe on Jul 15, 2018 23:03:13 GMT -5
The narrative tonight around the Finn Balor/Baron Corbin match felt like an absolute burial of Balor, spilling out even into the copy they posted to the website. The spin seemed to favour not only Baron for the size advantage, but talked up his training at the Performance Center at points during that match. Then, they begrudgingly give props to Finn after he wins with a small package, with the tone of the article being akin to "I guess Balor had more heart."
This wasn't the narrative they traipsed out for Daniel Bryan (billed at the same weight as Finn, by the way), nor Rey Mysterio (who was billed at 160 soaking wet.) It certainly wasn't the spin they gave Benoit or Guerrero, both of whom had beaten Lesnar. If they're building Balor up to face Lesnar (so far out there it's insane, but it's still within the realm of possibility), this is not the level of underdog we want to see, I don't think. For one, it erases all that Balor has done prior to WWE - a history widely told and acknowledged during his NXT run. Second, while it might make the Miracle Between the Ropes more of a shock, it also makes such an event seem a fluke when, as I've said before, the best way to build a face champion is to build them up with challenges of greater and greater threat until it becomes plausible to believe that they can beat the monster. If their intent in indeed to bury Finn Balor, they may have a great degree of resistance from fans than they've encountered over Roman.
I'm inclined to chalk this up to incompetence by the Creative team in allowing the narrative to come through in this fashion, but I'm not so sure as to how one can reasonably expect someone like Finn Balor to appear a winner when even the wins feel like flukes. He's better than fluke wins.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2018 23:06:53 GMT -5
You're looking at this the wrong way. This isn't about Finn Balor.
This is about the company hyping up Corbin.
Since Corbin's joined the main roster the company's been high on him. He's won the ATGMBR, MITB, was in the Elimination Chamber match, hell, Corbin beat Ambrose and Styles clean before and these are 2 overprotected guys, like they're at the top tier of being overprotected in this company. The fact Balor got a win on that guy says nothing negative towards Balor. All it says is that they still favor Corbin. Had they viewed Corbin normally I'd agree with what you're saying but they don't view him that way. They view Corbin was one of their next top guys still to this day.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Jul 15, 2018 23:12:42 GMT -5
Yeah Balor is in no way burried, he's just not being featured in a big story right now.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Jul 15, 2018 23:18:50 GMT -5
Burial is way too strong of a word, but they sure aren't booking him like a top guy either. Finn's the exact definition of an upper-midcarder.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Jul 15, 2018 23:21:09 GMT -5
He won the match, so whatever...
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Post by Shai on Jul 15, 2018 23:32:00 GMT -5
Honestly, he won and didn't get his ass kicked like he's been doing for months. I'll take it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2018 23:41:08 GMT -5
The narrative tonight around the Finn Balor/Baron Corbin match felt like an absolute burial of Balor, spilling out even into the copy they posted to the website. The spin seemed to favour not only Baron for the size advantage, but talked up his training at the Performance Center at points during that match. Then, they begrudgingly give props to Finn after he wins with a small package, with the tone of the article being akin to "I guess Balor had more heart." This wasn't the narrative they traipsed out for Daniel Bryan (billed at the same weight as Finn, by the way), nor Rey Mysterio (who was billed at 160 soaking wet.) It certainly wasn't the spin they gave Benoit or Guerrero, both of whom had beaten Lesnar. If they're building Balor up to face Lesnar (so far out there it's insane, but it's still within the realm of possibility), this is not the level of underdog we want to see, I don't think. For one, it erases all that Balor has done prior to WWE - a history widely told and acknowledged during his NXT run. Second, while it might make the Miracle Between the Ropes more of a shock, it also makes such an event seem a fluke when, as I've said before, the best way to build a face champion is to build them up with challenges of greater and greater threat until it becomes plausible to believe that they can beat the monster. If their intent in indeed to bury Finn Balor, they may have a great degree of resistance from fans than they've encountered over Roman. I'm inclined to chalk this up to incompetence by the Creative team in allowing the narrative to come through in this fashion, but I'm not so sure as to how one can reasonably expect someone like Finn Balor to appear a winner when even the wins feel like flukes. He's better than fluke wins. I disagree with the overall point and tone of the post, but also, Bryan is billed at like 210 or 212 and Finn is 190. Finn was in no way buried, and they’re making an effort to push Constable Corbin. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2018 0:15:19 GMT -5
You're looking at this the wrong way. This isn't about Finn Balor. This is about the company hyping up Corbin. Since Corbin's joined the main roster the company's been high on him. He's won the ATGMBR, MITB, was in the Elimination Chamber match, hell, Corbin beat Ambrose and Styles clean before and these are 2 overprotected guys, like they're at the top tier of being overprotected in this company. The fact Balor got a win on that guy says nothing negative towards Balor. All it says is that they still favor Corbin. Had they viewed Corbin normally I'd agree with what you're saying but they don't view him that way. They view Corbin was one of their next top guys still to this day. This still confuses me because it has seemed to be Baron Corbin has been progressively getting shittier at everything over the last year. |
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jul 16, 2018 0:28:08 GMT -5
Balor is #4 babyface on Raw, the fact he even won tonight is kind of spectacular and the bigger condemnation is all on the fact they're trying to get Corbin over and let Finn get the win like that.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jul 16, 2018 1:02:01 GMT -5
Eh dude won & is in exactly the same spot treading water in the midcard yes? That's not a burial, that's just bein kept in stasis.
They pretty clearly haven't seen him as a top guy since his injury. That's not his fault and not fair, but it'll be a lot less frustrating for Finn fans to realize that at least for now this is the role they feel like he fits.
Like, they AIN'T building up Balor to face Lesnar. I don't even really watch anymore and just see results posted here and I can tell you that. That's not even remotely on the radar
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2018 1:04:25 GMT -5
You're looking at this the wrong way. This isn't about Finn Balor. This is about the company hyping up Corbin. Since Corbin's joined the main roster the company's been high on him. He's won the ATGMBR, MITB, was in the Elimination Chamber match, hell, Corbin beat Ambrose and Styles clean before and these are 2 overprotected guys, like they're at the top tier of being overprotected in this company. The fact Balor got a win on that guy says nothing negative towards Balor. All it says is that they still favor Corbin. Had they viewed Corbin normally I'd agree with what you're saying but they don't view him that way. They view Corbin was one of their next top guys still to this day. This still confuses me because it has seemed to be Baron Corbin has been progressively getting shittier at everything over the last year. I read that they were thinking of a gimmick to give him since they were still high on him and now we see that the gimmick is the Constable one. I think this is the best thing he's done honestly. He's more comfortable and he's got a better look, he feels like he's himself more. I'll also make a prediction. I wouldn't be surprised to see Corbin eventually get Angle outta here and become the authority figure for Raw. Makes sense with his gimmick. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2018 1:17:54 GMT -5
This still confuses me because it has seemed to be Baron Corbin has been progressively getting shittier at everything over the last year. I read that they were thinking of a gimmick to give him since they were still high on him and now we see that the gimmick if the Constable one. I think this is the best thing he's done honestly. He's more comfortable and he's got a better look, he feels like he's himself more. I'll also make a prediction. I wouldn't be surprised to see Corbin eventually get Angle outta here and become the authority figure for Raw. Makes sense with his gimmick. Oh god please no XD |
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Post by Push R Truth on Jul 16, 2018 6:24:14 GMT -5
Getting "buried" by winning on PPV seems ok
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Post by cabbageboy on Jul 16, 2018 7:46:47 GMT -5
What is this about Balor and Lesnar again? I thought that was dropped a long while ago.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jul 16, 2018 7:51:20 GMT -5
Not a burial. They're trying to build up Corbin with the angle, and if that's the goal then Corbin shouldn't be losing decisively.
Heck, he probably shouldn't lose at all.
It's like how they booked Big Cass. Yeah, he sucked, but if he's talking about how small Bryan is and Bryan is constantly beating his ass, how is Cass going to get over?
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Jul 16, 2018 8:14:41 GMT -5
You got it wrong. A burial would involve coherent thinking, and a plan, and outside 2-3 guys on the roster; they don't do that with anyone.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jul 16, 2018 10:51:33 GMT -5
Just want to mention, in regards to OP, does nobody remember how absurdly bad they made Rey Mystetio look when he was champion because he was small? You'd think it'd be impossible to bury somebody when they are your world champ but WWE found a way
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jul 16, 2018 10:53:48 GMT -5
Not a burial. They're trying to build up Corbin with the angle, and if that's the goal then Corbin shouldn't be losing decisively. Heck, he probably shouldn't lose at all. It's like how they booked Big Cass. Yeah, he sucked, but if he's talking about how small Bryan is and Bryan is constantly beating his ass, how is Cass going to get over? That's the real question, lmao. If the goal was to get Corbin over, why the f*** did he lose, haha? |
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Post by sportatorium on Jul 16, 2018 10:54:58 GMT -5
Balor isn’t buried, but is in a holding pattern with feuds like this. Having him elevate a stiff like Corbin is head scratching to say the least. Wait until heel Jason Jordan comes back as Finn’s next feud too.
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Post by Sparkybob on Jul 16, 2018 11:55:38 GMT -5
Just want to mention, in regards to OP, does nobody remember how absurdly bad they made Rey Mystetio look when he was champion because he was small? You'd think it'd be impossible to bury somebody when they are your world champ but WWE found a way I found it way funnier the one time they brought out Dominic (Maybe Punk feud on Smackdown?) and he was just as tall as Rey. |
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