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Post by cabbageboy on Jul 24, 2018 11:04:08 GMT -5
See, watching and wanting it to be good again is a great statement. The frustrating thing is that some WWE shows are good ones. I thought Smackdown last week for example was a quality program. It really is mostly just Raw that sucks most weeks.
You know what they should do here? Just take that 8-9 hour of Raw and make it a women's show. Or take the 10-11 hour, either one. That way if you want to watch it, go for it. If you don't then you know when the rest of Raw that you do want to see will be on. It would be a nationally televised version of what they are doing with 205 Live.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2018 11:28:02 GMT -5
The TV deals will let them coast for another 5 years. What happens after that remains to be seen but Roman isn’t going anywhere for that reason.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jul 24, 2018 11:49:10 GMT -5
They aren't turning Roman because they don't have to. He can say things like this and it fits his character, and his reactions. The only people obsessed with everyone cheering Roman are people online. That is at once 1) Not an accurate reading of the text at all, his character is a mess of contradictions and especially contradictions to the narrative portrayal the commentary provides 2) Kind of nonsense because everyone is online right now and even 12 year-olds who legitimately have no idea what a forum like FAN is are discussing wrestling on stuff like Youtube and Facebook. Online interaction with media is the norm now 3) Incorrect, Roman gets booed in the arenas and those same "people online" are also among the people who buy tickets so this is hardly some kind of weird smark sentiment that doesn't come across at all on the show proper
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Jul 24, 2018 11:54:09 GMT -5
So happy I dropped Raw from my viewing. I turned in to watch the announcement and that was it. Terrible show, headlined by someone I have no interest in watching as the face of the company.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jul 24, 2018 12:00:19 GMT -5
They aren't turning Roman because they don't have to. He can say things like this and it fits his character, and his reactions. The only people obsessed with everyone cheering Roman are people online. Yeah, no. Commentary is god in WWE. And Commentary sells Roman as the unilaterally virtuous conquering ultra-hero. When nobody buys it.
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Post by Cronant on Jul 24, 2018 12:11:27 GMT -5
They aren't turning Roman because they don't have to. He can say things like this and it fits his character, and his reactions. The only people obsessed with everyone cheering Roman are people online. Yeah, no. Commentary is god in WWE. And Commentary sells Roman as the unilaterally virtuous conquering ultra-hero. When nobody buys it. The commentary was literally talking about him having an ego during the Lashley feud. He has NEVER been some virtuous hero. WWE has well established that Roman will be "Roman" and its whatever as far as fan reactions on a week to week basis. The fact people complain every week about Roman not being the perfect face while also complaining that WWE is forcing you to like Roman is a gigantic contradiction that nobody seems to pick up on. Its pretty obvious that dirtsheet news have influenced peoples opinion on what WWE is trying to do with Roman but its barely reflected in the actual shows at all. They went as far as to say he's acting like a cool heel to get cheered. What kind of utter nonsense is that? Its pretty clear they established that Roman doesn't give a crap anymore and thats that. He's had issues and faces like Lashley and heels and he will continue to do so.
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Post by Perd on Jul 24, 2018 12:14:44 GMT -5
You have no right to be depressed You haven’t tried hard enough to like it
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Post by Hit Girl on Jul 24, 2018 13:01:08 GMT -5
Yeah, no. Commentary is god in WWE. And Commentary sells Roman as the unilaterally virtuous conquering ultra-hero. When nobody buys it. The commentary was literally talking about him having an ego during the Lashley feud. He has NEVER been some virtuous hero. WWE has well established that Roman will be "Roman" and its whatever as far as fan reactions on a week to week basis. The fact people complain every week about Roman not being the perfect face while also complaining that WWE is forcing you to like Roman is a gigantic contradiction that nobody seems to pick up on. Its pretty obvious that dirtsheet news have influenced peoples opinion on what WWE is trying to do with Roman but its barely reflected in the actual shows at all. They went as far as to say he's acting like a cool heel to get cheered. What kind of utter nonsense is that? Its pretty clear they established that Roman doesn't give a crap anymore and thats that. He's had issues and faces like Lashley and heels and he will continue to do so. For some, one versus all sounds like an unwinnable contest, a hellish punishment or a neverending nightmare. For Roman Reigns, it’s just another day at the office.
The agile, imposing juggernaut has been told his entire life that he cannot accomplish his goals. And since day one of his arrival in WWE, he has proven his naysayers wrong in the language of broken bodies and shattered Superstars who thought they had his number. Whether it was finishing opposing teams off as the enforcer of The Shield or steadily grinding his way toward the WWE Championship as a solo competitor, Reigns has made a lasting impression on anyone who’s come into contact with him.
On his own, The Big Dog has never turned away from a challenge and has proved himself time and time again, battling everyone from Brock Lesnar to John Cena to a WrestleMania showdown with The Undertaker that brought the legendary Deadman his second loss at The Showcase of the Immortals.
But, in spite of his success, Reigns has never forgotten where he came from. Case in point, when Dean Ambrose and Seth Rollins suddenly found themselves facing common enemies as their former brother-in-arms, Roman Reigns realigned with The Hounds of Justice and The Shield was reborn! Shortly after reuniting with The Hounds of Justice, The Big Dog joined an exclusive company, capturing the Intercontinental Title to become a Grand Slam Champion. His next hurdle? Challenging Brock Lesnar for the Universal Title in a Steel Cage Match at the Greatest Royal Rumble event.
You can doubt Roman Reigns at your own peril. But by all means, feel free to risk it. He likes the odds stacked and the enemies numerous. One way or another, when all is said and done, you will believe.WWE.com
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Jul 24, 2018 13:40:27 GMT -5
And the fans continue going to the show and watching it on television as well. How about just not watching it? I saw the Raw thread had 80 pages of the same people making snide remarks, commenting on the product, and yet they can't seem to change the channel or just not watch it altogether. Vince isn't going to change unless people stop going to the shows, cancel their subscriptions, and not purchasing any WWE related merchandise to the point to where it starts to hurt Vince's bottom line. Until fans stop complaining and find other forms of alternative entertainment no significant change will happen. I found myself getting frustrated with the WWE, their repetitive and stale storylines, and them moving away further from what I grew up loving. Once I realized it was time for me to simply stop watching the product, move on to other shows that didn't insult my intelligence/consumerism, and in the process I found other forms of entertainment that not only made me happy but I didn't feel as if I was missing anything related to the WWE. I found myself happier and don't miss it at all. I may turn it on at the gym as background noise, read up on it, or hear other people talking about it. But as far as watching the show? I haven't nor do I go out of my way to watch Raw, Smackdown, NXT, I don't purchase any WWE related products, and I don't have a subscription to the Network. Seriously it's so much better and refreshing to simply stop watching a product that doesn't entertain you anymore. People who watch a show they don't like are doing it because they desperately want this thing they've been passionate about for years, sometimes from childhood onward, become good again. Or, they like parts of the show and have an investment in corners of it, but dislike other parts. It's the same posters in every thread throwing out the same old tired lines ignoring these parts and doesn't it ever get tiring to harp on the exact same idea over and over without ever acknowledging all that middle ground and the reality of the viewership numbers and how Vince hasn't changed in the face of those that people respond to you with? Believe me I understand what you're saying. If something is remaining in a stale holding pattern with no signs of improvement, why stick with it? WWE has been in the same stale product pattern for quite sometime now. If it hasn't improved then why continue watching it? I'll give you an example. When Preacher on AMC started I was excited for it. I read the books and was looking forward to seeing it come to life. The first season I was like "Okay, it's different from the books. But I'll manage." Season 2 rolled around and I saw where they changed so many dramatic elements from the book and character depictions I felt insulted, with Season 3 I immediately tapped out. Once they got to Angeville and the depictions of J.C., Jody, and Grandma I literally said "Yeah, this isn't going to work.". I stopped watching just like that. People can do whatever if they simply just stood their ground, found other forms of entertainment, and simply stopped giving Vince anymore of their time and money. I understand loving something so much that you want to see improvement. I've been a wrestling fan since 1988 and grew up watching the New Generation, Attitude Era/Monday Night Wars, ECW, Ruthless Aggression, and the list goes on. But once I saw that Vince didn't care about me as a fan/consumer, the product just continued to get worse, storylines repetitive, and wrestlers that I enjoyed immensely becoming watered down and not pushed accordingly that's when I finally said enough is enough. To me simply continuing to watch hoping/praying for it to get better is an excuse for not moving on. By continuing to enable Vince and his cronies anyone who is still watching is creating more frustration for themselves.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jul 24, 2018 13:53:01 GMT -5
People who watch a show they don't like are doing it because they desperately want this thing they've been passionate about for years, sometimes from childhood onward, become good again. Or, they like parts of the show and have an investment in corners of it, but dislike other parts. It's the same posters in every thread throwing out the same old tired lines ignoring these parts and doesn't it ever get tiring to harp on the exact same idea over and over without ever acknowledging all that middle ground and the reality of the viewership numbers and how Vince hasn't changed in the face of those that people respond to you with? Believe me I understand what you're saying. If something is remaining in a stale holding pattern with no signs of improvement, why stick with it? WWE has been in the same stale product pattern for quite sometime now. If it hasn't improved then why continue watching it? I'll give you an example. When Preacher on AMC started I was excited for it. I read the books and was looking forward to seeing it come to life. The first season I was like "Okay, it's different from the books. But I'll manage." Season 2 rolled around and I saw where they changed so many dramatic elements from the book and character depictions I felt insulted, with Season 3 I immediately tapped out. Once they got to Angeville and the depictions of J.C., Jody, and Grandma I literally said "Yeah, this isn't going to work.". I stopped watching just like that. People can do whatever if they simply just stood their ground, found other forms of entertainment, and simply stopped giving Vince anymore of their time and money. I understand loving something so much that you want to see improvement. I've been a wrestling fan since 1988 and grew up watching the New Generation, Attitude Era/Monday Night Wars, ECW, Ruthless Aggression, and the list goes on. But once I saw that Vince didn't care about me as a fan/consumer, the product just continued to get worse, storylines repetitive, and wrestlers that I enjoyed immensely becoming watered down and not pushed accordingly that's when I finally said enough is enough. To me simply continuing to watch hoping/praying for it to get better is an excuse for not moving on. By continuing to enable Vince and his cronies anyone who is still watching is creating more frustration for themselves. Because not everyone finds it irredeemable and completely terrible. Hell, even as someone with no faith in the product and who's quit watching, I saw stuff that was handled really well still. The Ambrose and Seth reunion story from last year was great; characters made sense, with past actions influencing how they interacted in the present and them both having emotions and feelings like real characters in an actual show. He's a bit divisive around here lately, but lots of people love what they're doing with Braun right now and think he's being handled great. 205 Live has been pretty good. NXT is included in a Network subscription and even when there's a lull in NXT after a pretty savage call-up it's still a solidly put together show. People who follow wrestling on a broader and more spread out scale can see a lot of old favorites now kicking around on the big stage after years of being indie stars, and people want to support them. And that's not even getting into the fact that WWE's in-ring work is at an all time high. Like there is so much that people can see value in watching around all of the bad stuff. If you sat through mid-'90s WWE then I think you're kind of skipping right over the exact point I'm trying to make here despite having lived it yourself, because that was another heavily flawed and not very well written time held on the shoulders of a few key talents who stood out as redeeming factors to a show otherwise not seen by history as all that stellar. You found the point where you said "f*** it" and that's fine, I've hit that too, but you're missing the finer elements of how people need to get to that point, and just telling people once a week to hurry on up and give up so that everyone can repost the usual "Ratings are down, blah blah blah" stuff seems like an exercise in futility.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2018 13:53:52 GMT -5
And the fans continue going to the show and watching it on television as well. How about just not watching it? I saw the Raw thread had 80 pages of the same people making snide remarks, commenting on the product, and yet they can't seem to change the channel or just not watch it altogether. Vince isn't going to change unless people stop going to the shows, cancel their subscriptions, and not purchasing any WWE related merchandise to the point to where it starts to hurt Vince's bottom line. Until fans stop complaining and find other forms of alternative entertainment no significant change will happen. I found myself getting frustrated with the WWE, their repetitive and stale storylines, and them moving away further from what I grew up loving. Once I realized it was time for me to simply stop watching the product, move on to other shows that didn't insult my intelligence/consumerism, and in the process I found other forms of entertainment that not only made me happy but I didn't feel as if I was missing anything related to the WWE. I found myself happier and don't miss it at all. I may turn it on at the gym as background noise, read up on it, or hear other people talking about it. But as far as watching the show? I haven't nor do I go out of my way to watch Raw, Smackdown, NXT, I don't purchase any WWE related products, and I don't have a subscription to the Network. Seriously it's so much better and refreshing to simply stop watching a product that doesn't entertain you anymore. Watching out of habit was the hardest part for me but once I found something new to do on Monday nights I really don't think about Raw. If I do I just come here and take a look at the Raw thread and see hella "this is awful" "this is the worst Raw ever" posts on every page and realize why I stopped watching in the first place.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Jul 24, 2018 14:10:49 GMT -5
Believe me I understand what you're saying. If something is remaining in a stale holding pattern with no signs of improvement, why stick with it? WWE has been in the same stale product pattern for quite sometime now. If it hasn't improved then why continue watching it? I'll give you an example. When Preacher on AMC started I was excited for it. I read the books and was looking forward to seeing it come to life. The first season I was like "Okay, it's different from the books. But I'll manage." Season 2 rolled around and I saw where they changed so many dramatic elements from the book and character depictions I felt insulted, with Season 3 I immediately tapped out. Once they got to Angeville and the depictions of J.C., Jody, and Grandma I literally said "Yeah, this isn't going to work.". I stopped watching just like that. People can do whatever if they simply just stood their ground, found other forms of entertainment, and simply stopped giving Vince anymore of their time and money. I understand loving something so much that you want to see improvement. I've been a wrestling fan since 1988 and grew up watching the New Generation, Attitude Era/Monday Night Wars, ECW, Ruthless Aggression, and the list goes on. But once I saw that Vince didn't care about me as a fan/consumer, the product just continued to get worse, storylines repetitive, and wrestlers that I enjoyed immensely becoming watered down and not pushed accordingly that's when I finally said enough is enough. To me simply continuing to watch hoping/praying for it to get better is an excuse for not moving on. By continuing to enable Vince and his cronies anyone who is still watching is creating more frustration for themselves. Because not everyone finds it irredeemable and completely terrible. Hell, even as someone with no faith in the product and who's quit watching, I saw stuff that was handled really well still. The Ambrose and Seth reunion story from last year was great; characters made sense, with past actions influencing how they interacted in the present and them both having emotions and feelings like real characters in an actual show. He's a bit divisive around here lately, but lots of people love what they're doing with Braun right now and think he's being handled great. 205 Live has been pretty good. NXT is included in a Network subscription and even when there's a lull in NXT after a pretty savage call-up it's still a solidly put together show. People who follow wrestling on a broader and more spread out scale can see a lot of old favorites now kicking around on the big stage after years of being indie stars, and people want to support them. And that's not even getting into the fact that WWE's in-ring work is at an all time high. Like there is so much that people can see value in watching around all of the bad stuff. If you sat through mid-'90s WWE then I think you're kind of skipping right over the exact point I'm trying to make here despite having lived it yourself, because that was another heavily flawed and not very well written time held on the shoulders of a few key talents who stood out as redeeming factors to a show otherwise not seen by history as all that stellar. You found the point where you said "f*** it" and that's fine, I've hit that too, but you're missing the finer elements of how people need to get to that point, and just telling people once a week to hurry on up and give up so that everyone can repost the usual "Ratings are down, blah blah blah" stuff seems like an exercise in futility. I mean I don't disagree with you in hindsight. But at some point simply continuing to watch is like going in circles trying to catch the tail. My manager, whenever he would counsel me or another employee, he would say "Look I am not going to go in circles. It accomplishes nothing." Still watching hoping for something to get better is going in circles. And during my childhood I did watch wrestling when it was the New Generation. Perhaps it was enjoyable because at the time I was about 13/14 and didn't know or appreciate quality programming at the time. I reckon it is a gradual process and doesn't happen immediately. But as I said, WWE and wrestling in general has been in a stale holding pattern for months to years now. I just don't see a point in sticking around on something that offers little to no happiness.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jul 24, 2018 15:16:24 GMT -5
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Jul 24, 2018 15:48:33 GMT -5
Is it really that awful of a thing to say? It makes him seem like a real person.
People shat on it when Cena said “Hey guys. Boo me. Its all good. I love you anyway.” So what is Reigns supposed to say?
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Post by Brood Lone Wolf Funker on Jul 24, 2018 15:54:35 GMT -5
Roman will pinch your momma on the booty and kick your dog
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2018 16:45:35 GMT -5
You have no right to be depressed You haven’t tried hard enough to like it Haven’t seen enough of roman's push yet? But it hurts, it hurts, it hurts, it hurts
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Jul 24, 2018 16:52:45 GMT -5
Is it really that awful of a thing to say? It makes him seem like a real person. People shat on it when Cena said “Hey guys. Boo me. Its all good. I love you anyway.” So what is Reigns supposed to say? Nothing. He should say nothing.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Jul 24, 2018 17:22:12 GMT -5
Is it really that awful of a thing to say? It makes him seem like a real person. People shat on it when Cena said “Hey guys. Boo me. Its all good. I love you anyway.” So what is Reigns supposed to say? Nothing. He should say nothing. Okay. So like a Goldberg silent type?
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Post by lmagicdancer1 on Jul 24, 2018 17:40:03 GMT -5
The difference with cena is that by the end of one of his hard fought matches those same fans who were booing him in the beginn8ng are cheering for him. That never seems to change in roman matches.
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Post by 01010010 01101001 01100011 on Jul 24, 2018 20:38:09 GMT -5
Nothing. He should say nothing. Okay. So like a Goldberg silent type? While I doubt that was what he was getting at, for me, that would be a lot better. It'd make what he says mean more and cut out a lot of the crap creative (or I guess Roman himself) comes up with that makes his stuff near unwatchable. I thinking his promo after WM last year was the best one he's ever cut because he didn't have to say much to make a great segment.
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