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Post by schma on Aug 2, 2018 1:34:49 GMT -5
She was on Colbert last night and they didn't mention wrestling at all. They just talked about some new movie. It was a little weird how the WWE wasn't talked about at all. The odd thing was she started the interview saying that she was marking out from meeting Colbert and when he asked what that meant she didn't really give an answer and said zero about wrestling.
She did come off quite personable in the interview though, but I thought it odd that with such a wrestling centric term she didn't just throw out something like 'oh it's something I picked up while working for WWE'.
My issue with Rousey wrestling so little is the fact that they made such a big deal about her being full time. I get that she's doing house shows and that she is training and that's awesome. However, in press releases and in kayfabe she was supposed to be full time, kayfabewise she even stated she wanted to be treated like everyone else. Six months later she will finally have a match on Raw. I understand the arguments that she should be a special attraction, that she is doing plenty of work outside the ring, training and all of that. It's just that what she and WWE said was going to happen isn't what happened. I think that's the biggest issue some of us have with it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2018 1:50:15 GMT -5
This is kinda like Hogan back in the day, he did house shows, but you rarely ever saw him actually wrestle on shows like Superstars and such, usually clips from other shows Every time I hear a modern fan bitch about Brock not defending his title every week, I think “man, you kids REALLY got spoiled by the Monday Night Wars”. EXACTLY! The top belt hasn't felt like this big of a deal in at least 28 years.
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Post by schma on Aug 2, 2018 1:52:48 GMT -5
Every time I hear a modern fan bitch about Brock not defending his title every week, I think “man, you kids REALLY got spoiled by the Monday Night Wars”. EXACTLY! The top belt hasn't felt like this big of a deal in at least 28 years. If you mean the Universal title, I gotta disagree. It feels like an afterthought most of the time. It barely exists. At least Hogan would cut a promo. I'm a fan of fighting champions though.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Aug 2, 2018 2:10:27 GMT -5
EXACTLY! The top belt hasn't felt like this big of a deal in at least 28 years. If you mean the Universal title, I gotta disagree. It feels like an afterthought most of the time. It barely exists. At least Hogan would cut a promo. I'm a fan of fighting champions though. No matter what brand it's on the top belt will always be the belt that carries the name of the company as its primary identifier, IMO.
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Post by schma on Aug 2, 2018 2:40:02 GMT -5
If you mean the Universal title, I gotta disagree. It feels like an afterthought most of the time. It barely exists. At least Hogan would cut a promo. I'm a fan of fighting champions though. No matter what brand it's on the top belt will always be the belt that carries the name of the company as its primary identifier, IMO. To me the WWE title is definitely the top one and far more prestigious. I was mostly asking about the universal because of the context of the conversation.
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Post by repomark on Aug 2, 2018 3:17:47 GMT -5
I have never understood why so many people care so much about the full time/part time thing. If I am entertained I don’t care how many times someone appears or wrestles in a year.
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Post by KobashiChop on Aug 2, 2018 16:18:54 GMT -5
She's been at it for next to no time.
She should be on every house show but her TV matches should be few and far between right now.
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Post by schma on Aug 2, 2018 23:42:01 GMT -5
I have never understood why so many people care so much about the full time/part time thing. If I am entertained I don’t care how many times someone appears or wrestles in a year. For me it's partly because the part time workers are often promoted at the expense of the full time workers and treated as more important. That combined with the fact that I tend to care a lot more about the full time characters and find them far more entertaining leaves me annoyed at part timers basically getting a far sweeter deal for far less effort and walking into a position that others are busting their ass for. It's partly the perception of whether it's been earned or not.
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Post by Dave the Dave on Aug 3, 2018 0:28:52 GMT -5
Someone tell Primo Colon to show up on RAW if he wants to be full time.
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Post by The Trashman on Aug 3, 2018 13:37:48 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure people would be complaining more if she had wrestled Alicia Fox every week for a month instead.
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Post by JCBaggee on Aug 3, 2018 14:06:03 GMT -5
She's full time, she's just not always on Raw. She's still a super hyped attraction, and people will come out to see her. Expose her weekly on Raw in crap tag matches, and that appeal goes down.
After the first year or so, if she's not showing up more, then you can complain. Right now, this is booking. You guys always say you want booking, right?
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Post by Joe Neglia on Aug 3, 2018 15:49:18 GMT -5
Every time I hear a modern fan bitch about Brock not defending his title every week, I think “man, you kids REALLY got spoiled by the Monday Night Wars”. EXACTLY! The top belt hasn't felt like this big of a deal in at least 28 years. Absolute revisionist history. Everyone now acts like Sammartino, Hogan and Flair and any other top titleholders back then only worked once a month, and that is absolute BS. Sammartino worked 144 matches during 1963 (his first year as champ) and worked 43 his final year as champ, and outside the couple of times he took time off, semi-retired, every year between the was somewhere inbetween those numbers. In 1984, Hogan had 147 matches. Another 147 in 1985, 136 in 1986, 159 in '87, 91 in '88, 110 in '89 and 79 matches in 1990. Between the time he debuted and the year 2001, Flair didn't wrestle less than 45 matches a year. Backlund's least productive year as champ was 1983, and even then, he had 83 matches in that one year.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Aug 3, 2018 16:21:24 GMT -5
Is she there every wk? That's honestly full time enough. Hell they could stand to not have the whole roster wrestle weekly.
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Post by KofiMania on Aug 3, 2018 16:58:43 GMT -5
EXACTLY! The top belt hasn't felt like this big of a deal in at least 28 years. Absolute revisionist history. Everyone now acts like Sammartino, Hogan and Flair and any other top titleholders back then only worked once a month, and that is absolute BS. Sammartino worked 144 matches during 1963 (his first year as champ) and worked 43 his final year as champ, and outside the couple of times he took time off, semi-retired, every year between the was somewhere inbetween those numbers. In 1984, Hogan had 147 matches. Another 147 in 1985, 136 in 1986, 159 in '87, 91 in '88, 110 in '89 and 79 matches in 1990. Between the time he debuted and the year 2001, Flair didn't wrestle less than 45 matches a year. Backlund's least productive year as champ was 1983, and even then, he had 83 matches in that one year. They mean TV defenses, which were rare for Hogan.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Aug 3, 2018 18:18:11 GMT -5
Absolute revisionist history. Everyone now acts like Sammartino, Hogan and Flair and any other top titleholders back then only worked once a month, and that is absolute BS. Sammartino worked 144 matches during 1963 (his first year as champ) and worked 43 his final year as champ, and outside the couple of times he took time off, semi-retired, every year between the was somewhere inbetween those numbers. In 1984, Hogan had 147 matches. Another 147 in 1985, 136 in 1986, 159 in '87, 91 in '88, 110 in '89 and 79 matches in 1990. Between the time he debuted and the year 2001, Flair didn't wrestle less than 45 matches a year. Backlund's least productive year as champ was 1983, and even then, he had 83 matches in that one year. They mean TV defenses, which were rare for Hogan. Doesn't matter. You know why the fans were okay with them having few televised matches and why it felt special? Because they knew the guy was out there. That he was working and defending the title and maybe, just maybe, he'll come to their area. Brock isn't the same at all. In any sort of manner. Hogan had some sort of televised defense every month, be it PPV, SNME, the uncommon Saturday morning shows or the region-specific channels. In 1989, he had 15 televised matches, which works out to more than one a month. In 1990, he worked 15 televised matches. This would be more akin to be being pissed off that Brock was wrestling all the time, but he was mostly showing up on NXT, every PPV and the Argentinian edition of Afterburn, but once every half year on Raw.
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Post by Big Chungus on Aug 3, 2018 18:25:48 GMT -5
The same people complaining of this will end up complaining she's over exposed and stale when she does start appearing more.
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Post by Ganon83 on Aug 3, 2018 18:31:04 GMT -5
She wasn't ready for TV yet.
She had a great debut at Wrestlemania, but she had help with two of the best minds in the business in the ring with her and months of going over spots in that match. She also probably had weeks of rehearsing the title match a couple of months ago. You aren't going to be able to spend even just days going over a weekly TV match, but now that she's a little more seasoned after spending most of the summer on the road, she should be good to go. It also helps that they have Alica in there with her, who outside of Natty is by far the most experienced woman on the roster.
Also it's dumb to compare who the WWE books their champions on TV shows now and then. Back then, there weren't big title matches on TV because that's what you paid money to see once a month at your local arena. The TV show was designed to get you there. Now, WWE TV is all about getting people to tune in, especially with how much money they're about to get from their shows. I'm not going to be shocked in 2019, if he's still around, that Brock is going to end up working some TV matches.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2018 12:14:53 GMT -5
She is also not a wrestler,so they have to rehearse her matches basically move by move. Thats pretty unfair considering Macho and DDP both were notorious for this...She is learning well on the fly and improves every time she steps in the ring...I am really enjoying her run so far
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Post by Pooh Carlson on Aug 4, 2018 13:43:47 GMT -5
She is also not a wrestler,so they have to rehearse her matches basically move by move. Thats pretty unfair considering Macho and DDP both were notorious for this...She is learning well on the fly and improves every time she steps in the ring...I am really enjoying her run so far Did they actually rehearse the moves or just lay the whole match out step by step? I thought the latter.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 4, 2018 14:15:59 GMT -5
Thats pretty unfair considering Macho and DDP both were notorious for this...She is learning well on the fly and improves every time she steps in the ring...I am really enjoying her run so far Did they actually rehearse the moves or just lay the whole match out step by step? I thought the latter. Probably rehearse since she’s still so new. I’ve been saying that since the beginning which I don’t mind but you can tell she has the instinct for it. You can rehearse the moves all you want but the things like her facial expressions and little quirks can’t be rehearsed
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