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Post by trollrogue on Aug 26, 2018 20:35:58 GMT -5
It's almost a case of 'WWE wins either way' either the forced heel turn continues to fire up audience and excite crowds every match Becky is in, OR they play it up like another self-fulfilling prophecy where somebody like The Rock when he was a heel (but popular) called himself 'The People's Champ' and people had an excuse to give him a face pop for that (or when Elias asks what W-W-E-stands-for) when The Rock finally went 'face' he didn't have to change what got him over, same with Stone Cold Steve Austin who basically turned face because he passed out refusing to tap out.
It's something they also famously tried and failed with The Shield Reigns ---> singles Roman Reigns. Somehow once WWE embraces you as a face, it's no longer 'cool' to cheer for the babyface over all the other Superstars. Bex is getting cheers today, but if she suddenly got the double-turn and got Charlotte's push in a few weeks people might complain about SuperBex being shoved down our throats. It just depends on the Superstar it seems, The Rock it work, the Rock's nephew Reigns it's not so easy. I think Becky Lynch has been setup for success once she gets another face push with the title, as long as she gets good heel rivals (make Charlotte cheat to retain her strap against Becky and you have a classic feud right there).
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Post by hashtagdaley/JudasDay on Aug 26, 2018 20:54:25 GMT -5
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Aug 26, 2018 20:56:51 GMT -5
They're not popping for Becky, they're chanting "Let's Go Sheamus!"
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Post by schma on Aug 26, 2018 21:14:00 GMT -5
Leafs fans are weird. In the dark period where the team couldn't make the playoffs to save their lives, Leafs fans would still hold out hope until the last second with all kinds of complex calculations. Things like 'if this team wins their next two and that team ties the next three games and those five other teams all lose their next game, the Leafs could still make the playoffs.' The amount of logic bending required is phenomenal. That said, if she insults the Leafs I will be cheering. i grew up in a leafs house, and this is totally true. my brother holds out hope every year that its "their year", and it just...never is. Tavares is a huge signing, which has only gotten his hopes up again. with the toronto crowd, she can attack the leafs, and get booed. but then people will cheer because its becky, and then they'll cry because its the leafs and probably true. I know with some of the older generations they see the leafs as "Canada's Team" no matter what. There are enough diehard fans that it is one of the most profitable, if not the most profitable NHL team out there which is kinda mind boggling. They haven't won the cup in around 50 years at at this point but, it seems like that doesn't matter. There's no real need to win the cup if you're making money hand over fist. Until the leafs see a dip in profits I don't think they'll make it.
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Post by IgnahtaSempria on Aug 26, 2018 22:19:45 GMT -5
Can't wait for Becky to mock the Maple Leafs in a heel promo on Tuesday, only to get cheered by the Toronto fans. Leafs fans are weird. In the dark period where the team couldn't make the playoffs to save their lives, Leafs fans would still hold out hope until the last second with all kinds of complex calculations. Things like 'if this team wins their next two and that team ties the next three games and those five other teams all lose their next game, the Leafs could still make the playoffs.' The amount of logic bending required is phenomenal. That said, if she insults the Leafs I will be cheering. Ugh, tell me about it. I remember the playoffs this year, and how on Sportsnet.ca, salty Leafs fans would spend entire articles talking mad shit about the Jets and how much they sucked... completely ignoring the fact that the Jets made it 2 rounds farther than the Leafs, so if the Jets suck, then the Leafs suck even harder.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Aug 27, 2018 2:22:33 GMT -5
Shocking...not. The logic of the heel turn makes no sense on why Becky is the heel in the situation. She earned the title shot. Charlotte was just handed the shot. Becky had the match one and again cheap rollup win for Charlotte, so how is she heel when she is right? Same with Reigns being a face, As over the Shield was in logic, how does the guy who as a 3 on 1 situation a face in anyway against Braun? but that the direction they are going with and again no logic. Yeah, Becky had to beat The IIconics, Absolution AND Carmella to get the shot. Had Charlotte done that as well I'd be more sympathetic to her, but nope, she comes back, wins one match and she's in. And it's not like she had the rematch clause or anything, because Carmella beat her clean at Backlash already. Not to mention Becky also beat Charlotte herself before Charlotte took time off to get her boob fixed. The whole storyline is just so moronic with how they went about getting to the result they wanted. Turning Becky was a dumb idea to begin with but the narrative of her turn is just so flawed in that she really did get a raw deal so as a result it's hard to blame her for lashing out. Charlotte didn't do anything wrong in that won the match within the rules but the fact that for all intents she didn't deserve to be in the match storyline wise and that Becky had to do so much more to get her opportunity makes it very hard to sympathize with Charlotte.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Aug 27, 2018 2:45:13 GMT -5
Yeah, Becky had to beat The IIconics, Absolution AND Carmella to get the shot. Had Charlotte done that as well I'd be more sympathetic to her, but nope, she comes back, wins one match and she's in. And it's not like she had the rematch clause or anything, because Carmella beat her clean at Backlash already. Not to mention Becky also beat Charlotte herself before Charlotte took time off to get her boob fixed. The whole storyline is just so moronic with how they went about getting to the result they wanted. Turning Becky was a dumb idea to begin with but the narrative of her turn is just so flawed in that she really did get a raw deal so as a result it's hard to blame her for lashing out. Charlotte didn't do anything wrong in that won the match within the rules but the fact that for all intents she didn't deserve to be in the match storyline wise and that Becky had to do so much more to get her opportunity makes it very hard to sympathize with Charlotte. Not to mention Charlotte never really turned face. She was an egotistical nepotistic heel on Raw then showed up on Smackdown as a face. They only sorta did a Becky forgave Charlotte storyline... but there was never really a reason. Combined with Charlotte is now tied with Trish for most women's championship reigns.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2018 2:47:11 GMT -5
I hope the crowd starts a "Bex!" chant on Tuesday.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Aug 27, 2018 3:00:49 GMT -5
Not to mention Becky also beat Charlotte herself before Charlotte took time off to get her boob fixed. The whole storyline is just so moronic with how they went about getting to the result they wanted. Turning Becky was a dumb idea to begin with but the narrative of her turn is just so flawed in that she really did get a raw deal so as a result it's hard to blame her for lashing out. Charlotte didn't do anything wrong in that won the match within the rules but the fact that for all intents she didn't deserve to be in the match storyline wise and that Becky had to do so much more to get her opportunity makes it very hard to sympathize with Charlotte. Not to mention Charlotte never really turned face. She was an egotistical nepotistic heel on Raw then showed up on Smackdown as a face. They only sorta did a Becky forgave Charlotte storyline... but there was never really a reason. Combined with Charlotte is now tied with Trish for most women's championship reigns. There was a reason for it but it wasn't a very good one. She showed up on Smackdown as a heel but turned face due to the Welcoming Committee, which were all heels, not wanting her on the show and making life by miserable for her by repeatedly ganging up her and attacking her. Becky then forgave her and mended their friendship even though she had no reason to as Charlotte had turned heel on her only about year before. Also Charlotte had been such a b---h for the previous year on Raw that it was hard to feel sorry for her. If anything her getting roughed up was something she had coming for a while. However it was just one of those lazy turns where a heel turns just because they were done wrong by other heels even if they themselves are still a bad person with no proof that they've changed for the better.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Aug 27, 2018 7:55:44 GMT -5
I think WWE is somewhat starting to see they made a mistake as their social media pages are starting to ask if the fans felt Becky was justified... and the responses are pretty overwhelming in her favor
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Post by tenshi on Aug 27, 2018 9:02:42 GMT -5
The finger lies, Sheamo. After all, Becky did nothing wrong.
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Post by kidkamikaze10 on Aug 27, 2018 9:47:45 GMT -5
Loool, Sheamus was the "Charlotte" last time this happened.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Aug 27, 2018 10:15:53 GMT -5
Not to mention Charlotte never really turned face. She was an egotistical nepotistic heel on Raw then showed up on Smackdown as a face. They only sorta did a Becky forgave Charlotte storyline... but there was never really a reason. Combined with Charlotte is now tied with Trish for most women's championship reigns. There was a reason for it but it wasn't a very good one. She showed up on Smackdown as a heel but turned face due to the Welcoming Committee, which were all heels, not wanting her on the show and making life by miserable for her by repeatedly ganging up her and attacking her. Becky then forgave her and mended their friendship even though she had no reason to as Charlotte had turned heel on her only about year before. Also Charlotte had been such a b---h for the previous year on Raw that it was hard to feel sorry for her. If anything her getting roughed up was something she had coming for a while. However it was just one of those lazy turns where a heel turns just because they were done wrong by other heels even if they themselves are still a bad person with no proof that they've changed for the better. But Charlotte was already acting like a face when she showed up on Smackdown. Before the "welcoming committee" did anything.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2018 10:19:01 GMT -5
There was a reason for it but it wasn't a very good one. She showed up on Smackdown as a heel but turned face due to the Welcoming Committee, which were all heels, not wanting her on the show and making life by miserable for her by repeatedly ganging up her and attacking her. Becky then forgave her and mended their friendship even though she had no reason to as Charlotte had turned heel on her only about year before. Also Charlotte had been such a b---h for the previous year on Raw that it was hard to feel sorry for her. If anything her getting roughed up was something she had coming for a while. However it was just one of those lazy turns where a heel turns just because they were done wrong by other heels even if they themselves are still a bad person with no proof that they've changed for the better. But Charlotte was already acting like a face when she showed up on Smackdown. Before the "welcoming committee" did anything. Man, ya'll keep reminding me that the Welcoming Committee was a thing and it's bumming me out.
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Post by Hypnosis on Aug 27, 2018 10:58:49 GMT -5
But Charlotte was already acting like a face when she showed up on Smackdown. Before the "welcoming committee" did anything. Man, ya'll keep reminding me that the Welcoming Committee was a thing and it's bumming me out.
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Post by MrElijah on Aug 27, 2018 11:33:27 GMT -5
It's amazing how this storyline might f*** over TWO people from a narrative standpoint.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Aug 27, 2018 14:38:24 GMT -5
There was a reason for it but it wasn't a very good one. She showed up on Smackdown as a heel but turned face due to the Welcoming Committee, which were all heels, not wanting her on the show and making life by miserable for her by repeatedly ganging up her and attacking her. Becky then forgave her and mended their friendship even though she had no reason to as Charlotte had turned heel on her only about year before. Also Charlotte had been such a b---h for the previous year on Raw that it was hard to feel sorry for her. If anything her getting roughed up was something she had coming for a while. However it was just one of those lazy turns where a heel turns just because they were done wrong by other heels even if they themselves are still a bad person with no proof that they've changed for the better. But Charlotte was already acting like a face when she showed up on Smackdown. Before the "welcoming committee" did anything. She was still acting arrogant and was having matches with Naomi who is a face.
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Post by Nosnorb on Aug 27, 2018 14:57:55 GMT -5
Question - if Bex Pillmanized Charlottes surgically repaired boob, would people boo her?
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Post by Hurbster on Aug 27, 2018 15:02:20 GMT -5
No, no they would not.
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Post by Nosnorb on Aug 27, 2018 15:15:13 GMT -5
It's something they also famously tried and failed with The Shield Reigns ---> singles Roman Reigns. Somehow once WWE embraces you as a face, it's no longer 'cool' to cheer for the babyface over all the other Superstars. Bex is getting cheers today, but if she suddenly got the double-turn and got Charlotte's push in a few weeks people might complain about SuperBex being shoved down our throats. It just depends on the Superstar it seems, The Rock it work, the Rock's nephew Reigns it's not so easy. I think Becky Lynch has been setup for success once she gets another face push with the title, as long as she gets good heel rivals (make Charlotte cheat to retain her strap against Becky and you have a classic feud right there). A few weeks after The Shield split, Roman Reigns spiked the coffee of Stephanie McMahon, causing her to vomit all over Vickie Guerrero. And his punishment was being put into a match for the vacant WWE Title.
WWE Fans didn't stop cheering for Roman because he was turned face. They stopped cheering him because WWE turned him from a Silent Badass Killer into quite simply an ass.
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