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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Sept 5, 2018 21:06:16 GMT -5
Joe Budden has never, ever won a single beef he was in. With his obsessive fanbase, dude is this generation's Canibus. Canibus was over one time. Joe has barely a cult following. Eh, when his debut came out I remember The Source was pushing him pretty hard. “Pump It Up” was a garbage first single, but “Fire” was pretty good. First album still went gold if I recall, their artistic merits are debatable but Joe was really much more popular than Canibus ever was.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2018 21:23:20 GMT -5
Joe's making a lot of good points with his rant about Em but one thing he's wrong about is the fact that he, Joe Budden, is better than Em. Most of Em's work this past decade is him putting words together rather than "saying something" but that doesn't mean Em hasn't been saying things nor does that mean that Em is wack or trash. Joe's got some good shit there but when it comes to being an artist there's things that Em does better than him.
Joe's just really upset that Em got at him so he's speaking without thinking prior.
There's a few things this entire Em vs Everyone beef has made me think.
1. Feels interesting that it's Em vs everyone like it's 2000 all over again. 2. Em is being discredited some, not completely but some. 3. Joe's rap skills are being overhyped just because he's on the rise as a media personality.
but the most important thing to me is this
4. Jay's being looked at differently due to this beef. I'm seeing people give Hov the props he deserves which is funny given the guy was always downtalked when it comes to being one of the greats. Give Hovito his shit. Hell, I'm seeing some people say "why is Jay one of the greats" due to this, the guy wasn't even in this and yet his name keeps being dragged into things.
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Post by chazraps on Sept 5, 2018 21:41:12 GMT -5
Joe Budden has never, ever won a single beef he was in. With his obsessive fanbase, dude is this generation's Canibus. Canibus was over one time. Joe has barely a cult following. Canibus was never "over" while having an album out. He was heavily hyped off of guest appearances for about a year, then when his debut dropped back-to-back with losing to Cool J back-to-back with the silver bodypaint at the 98 VMAs, he never recovered. I'd say Budden's cult following is comparable. "Pump It Up" was a hit single, then people started rallying behind him when he popularized the narrative in 2006 that then-Def Jam President Jay-Z was keeping his album from being released. When asked, Jay said Joe never turned in an album and was running way behind schedule. IIRC Joe said that what Jay said was true and then had his first public meltdown - this is the moment he lost the hip-hop purists at the time he was coveting and just wound up with the diehard Joe stands. EDIT: Worth noting that both did get their niche cult following enough to make a career off of music for the subsequent decade, and Joe at least kept his profile high enough / had less consistently embarrassing moments to still wind up on some bigger releases. But both are cases of what being overhyped in the industry with an overzealous fanbase can do to your life.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Sept 6, 2018 8:15:51 GMT -5
Canibus was over one time. Joe has barely a cult following. Canibus was never "over" while having an album out. He was heavily hyped off of guest appearances for about a year, then when his debut dropped back-to-back with losing to Cool J back-to-back with the silver bodypaint at the 98 VMAs, he never recovered. I'd say Budden's cult following is comparable. "Pump It Up" was a hit single, then people started rallying behind him when he popularized the narrative in 2006 that then-Def Jam President Jay-Z was keeping his album from being released. When asked, Jay said Joe never turned in an album and was running way behind schedule. IIRC Joe said that what Jay said was true and then had his first public meltdown - this is the moment he lost the hip-hop purists at the time he was coveting and just wound up with the diehard Joe stands. EDIT: Worth noting that both did get their niche cult following enough to make a career off of music for the subsequent decade, and Joe at least kept his profile high enough / had less consistently embarrassing moments to still wind up on some bigger releases. But both are cases of what being overhyped in the industry with an overzealous fanbase can do to your life. :/ I liked the silver paint.
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