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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2018 13:59:45 GMT -5
Bah. I usually watch the show at 8, though apparently I am one of the few that still does. I guess this isn't really shocking given the terrible numbers. I think TNA is just in a death spiral and has been for 4 years or so. No offense to Twitch but if the show is on there and not on an actual network then I probably won't seek it out. Why not? It'd be the same show. Not sure what it is, but if it’s not on actual tv I probably won’t bother either.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Oct 13, 2018 14:18:50 GMT -5
No sane person will watch until Midnight for a program. I will, but as you said, no sane person will. I got a radio show to do so yes, I will....
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Oct 13, 2018 14:41:15 GMT -5
Didn’t Destination America fiddle around with the time slot too before ultimately dropping them? In television, time slots are usually a pretty bad sign in general, unless they're trying to position a show expressly for the purpose of freeing it from hot competition or moving it as something meant to try and kill another competing show. Moving two hours up in time slot is definitely not a "show of good faith" kind of move either. What they're prepping for is a near future without TNA period; by moving them out of prime time and setting something else in its place they're looking to set the one-two punch. Downplay TNA's presence early and get something else into its space at the front of the network and in that time slot, that way when you lose them you have something else already solidified in its space. Networks do this with shows they're soon to cancel too; get them into a time slot we don't care about to fill space on the episodes we have left in the can, then gut it. It's just not a good sign of anything all around and we're definitely looking at another downturn for TNA in the process. If I was them I'd be looking at ways to make online-only viable because they're in a lot of trouble right now.
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Post by The Trashman on Oct 13, 2018 15:02:51 GMT -5
The timeslot isnt an issue for me but I still dont know what Pop Tv is and how anyone can watch it.
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Post by benstudd on Oct 13, 2018 15:49:52 GMT -5
Not shocked. The ratings are just not there. Bear in mind I don't watch, even with the praise I hear for Callis' work, it seems like they have become a product aimed at the indy crowd. Jarrett had its flaws but realised you need to attract a larger audience for a successful tv show. Even if it's nostalgia by bringing acts from the past or guys that can creat some buzz. As much as a I'm not a big fan of them, I would have tried to lure Enzo and Cass on Impact. It creates interest, some kind of buzz, gets people talking. WWE fans would want to check it out. These guys are sport entertainment that knows how to get a crowd going. As opposed to say a johnny Impact who's a great wrestler but people won't turn the channel on impact cause he is there. Callis and D’Amore cater to the indy crowd out of necessity, because indy talent is the only thing they can afford. Enzo and Cass’ would charge to much and I guarantee you that they wouldn’t create a buzz, just like Alberto or Lashley never created a buzz for impact. TNA could get a time machine and sign George Hackenschmidt, Lou Thesz, Rikidozan, El Santo, Bruno Sammartino, Hogan, Flair, Austin, Rock, and Cena in their prime, and nobody would tune in. In 2002 TNA had no money, they were stuck in weekly PPV yet they would bring in a variety of talent and style. They would bring in legends like Scott Hall and so forth. There was something for different audiences. Lashley was great TNA, it was a Godsend that he was there but it was time for him to go. And Alberto really doesn't bring what I'm talking about, he's just a wrestler. Enzo & Cass bring a certain element of showmanship that makes people watch. And as for as them being too expensive, first they don't work anywhere, secondly, they still have the money they would spend on Alberto. Might ad well give it to them. I'm not saying it's not over for them and that bringing anybody could help the ratings but there's no pulse to this company, they make no noise, nothing. The last time I heard something was when Callihan screwed up EE's head. Bring in guys that people might want to see raise Hell. Not just wrestler. Jarrett had many flaws but he at least tried to bring attention to this company. DO SOMETHING.
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Post by benstudd on Oct 13, 2018 15:51:48 GMT -5
Not shocked. The ratings are just not there. Bear in mind I don't watch, even with the praise I hear for Callis' work, it seems like they have become a product aimed at the indy crowd. Jarrett had its flaws but realised you need to attract a larger audience for a successful tv show. Even if it's nostalgia by bringing acts from the past or guys that can creat some buzz. As much as a I'm not a big fan of them, I would have tried to lure Enzo and Cass on Impact. It creates interest, some kind of buzz, gets people talking. WWE fans would want to check it out. These guys are sport entertainment that knows how to get a crowd going. As opposed to say a johnny Impact who's a great wrestler but people won't turn the channel on impact cause he is there. The biggest problem with the show is that they seem to be copying Lucha Underground. Speaking of Johnny Impact, the dude is a legit star on LU but he is weaksauce on Impact, mostly because Chris DeJoseph isn't writing for him, and Johnny Mundo without Chris DeJoseph is like Pizza without cheese. It just doesn't work.
And Enzo and Cass would have no impact in Impact. The company doesn't seem to be able to build stars. If they cannot build stars, that is why you bring these guys.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2018 17:03:41 GMT -5
The biggest problem with the show is that they seem to be copying Lucha Underground. Speaking of Johnny Impact, the dude is a legit star on LU but he is weaksauce on Impact, mostly because Chris DeJoseph isn't writing for him, and Johnny Mundo without Chris DeJoseph is like Pizza without cheese. It just doesn't work.
And Enzo and Cass would have no impact in Impact. The company doesn't seem to be able to build stars. If they cannot build stars, that is why you bring these guys. There may be 4 people in the entire world that would watch a show because Enzo and Cass are on it. They’re Q List stars even in the wrestling;world at this point. They’re complete nobodies.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Oct 13, 2018 18:22:50 GMT -5
Callis and D’Amore cater to the indy crowd out of necessity, because indy talent is the only thing they can afford. Enzo and Cass’ would charge to much and I guarantee you that they wouldn’t create a buzz, just like Alberto or Lashley never created a buzz for impact. TNA could get a time machine and sign George Hackenschmidt, Lou Thesz, Rikidozan, El Santo, Bruno Sammartino, Hogan, Flair, Austin, Rock, and Cena in their prime, and nobody would tune in. In 2002 TNA had no money, they were stuck in weekly PPV yet they would bring in a variety of talent and style. They would bring in legends like Scott Hall and so forth. There was something for different audiences. Lashley was great TNA, it was a Godsend that he was there but it was time for him to go. And Alberto really doesn't bring what I'm talking about, he's just a wrestler. Enzo & Cass bring a certain element of showmanship that makes people watch. And as for as them being too expensive, first they don't work anywhere, secondly, they still have the money they would spend on Alberto. Might ad well give it to them. I'm not saying it's not over for them and that bringing anybody could help the ratings but there's no pulse to this company, they make no noise, nothing. The last time I heard something was when Callihan screwed up EE's head. Bring in guys that people might want to see raise Hell. Not just wrestler. Jarrett had many flaws but he at least tried to bring attention to this company. DO SOMETHING. They had money in 2002, Jerry Jarrett put his own money but they wasted through it, that’s why they sold it to the Carters.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2018 0:39:56 GMT -5
The biggest problem with the show is that they seem to be copying Lucha Underground. Speaking of Johnny Impact, the dude is a legit star on LU but he is weaksauce on Impact, mostly because Chris DeJoseph isn't writing for him, and Johnny Mundo without Chris DeJoseph is like Pizza without cheese. It just doesn't work.
And Enzo and Cass would have no impact in Impact. The company doesn't seem to be able to build stars. If they cannot build stars, that is why you bring these guys. If they hired Enzo with the freed up ADR money, that would undo significant amounts of goodwill repair work the company has achieved
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2018 10:22:33 GMT -5
Enzo and Cass, that'll put butts in the seats.
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Post by Nosnorb on Oct 14, 2018 10:39:40 GMT -5
Consensual Penis and Big Ass, that'll put butts in the seats. Fixed.
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Post by Muskrat on Oct 14, 2018 12:17:03 GMT -5
In 2002 TNA had no money, they were stuck in weekly PPV yet they would bring in a variety of talent and style. They would bring in legends like Scott Hall and so forth. There was something for different audiences. Lashley was great TNA, it was a Godsend that he was there but it was time for him to go. And Alberto really doesn't bring what I'm talking about, he's just a wrestler. Enzo & Cass bring a certain element of showmanship that makes people watch. And as for as them being too expensive, first they don't work anywhere, secondly, they still have the money they would spend on Alberto. Might ad well give it to them. I'm not saying it's not over for them and that bringing anybody could help the ratings but there's no pulse to this company, they make no noise, nothing. The last time I heard something was when Callihan screwed up EE's head. Bring in guys that people might want to see raise Hell. Not just wrestler. Jarrett had many flaws but he at least tried to bring attention to this company. DO SOMETHING. They had money in 2002, Jerry Jarrett put his own money but they wasted through it, that’s why they sold it to the Carters. Yeah, bringing in all those stars got them to the edge of bankruptcy inside of 6 months. I think they can survive this, just due to the fact that they make very little money off the Pop TV deal. I'm sure they can find something to replace the minimal income it provides. And this is pure speculation on my part, but there is an outside chance that Pop pulled the trigger on the move because Impact notified Pop they weren't staying with them. But once again, that is 100% speculation on my part
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2018 12:34:01 GMT -5
I can’t say I’m shocked this is happening becoming Lucha Underwhelming was a huge misstep in my opinion the show is all over the place and by having no rules for their universe nothing has an impact and everything comes across as a joke which isn’t a good recipe for gaining or even retaining viewers let alone getting people to pay for the product.
I’ll admit Don and Scott have made some good decisions behind the scenes for dealing with the talent but the onscreen product is not good if they were smart they’d continue to handle the behind the scenes business stuff and hire some else to do creative.
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Post by brettappedout (BLM) on Oct 14, 2018 22:37:48 GMT -5
Just get some advertisers and put them on the ring mat ala Mexico. Go all to Twitch. If you subscribe you can watch the TV "live". If not you have to wait 3 days. Subscribers also get money off PPVS and merch. Make it a WWE network/ ROH Honor Club mix.
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Post by benstudd on Oct 19, 2018 21:04:41 GMT -5
If they cannot build stars, that is why you bring these guys. There may be 4 people in the entire world that would watch a show because Enzo and Cass are on it. They’re Q List stars even in the wrestling;world at this point. They’re complete nobodies. There were on the show that had at least 3 million viewers, it's worth the try.
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Post by benstudd on Oct 19, 2018 21:09:37 GMT -5
If they cannot build stars, that is why you bring these guys. If they hired Enzo with the freed up ADR money, that would undo significant amounts of goodwill repair work the company has achieved Goodwill that gets them nowhere. Problem with ADR was that he was boring. You bring in Enzo and Cass and work this out in a hot angle. Add a few guys make them a sort of DX-like entertaining act.
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Post by MiLB Fan on Oct 19, 2018 21:38:54 GMT -5
If anyone cares, Impact’s slot will be filled by two episodes of Gilmore Girls next Thursday.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2018 1:53:55 GMT -5
If they hired Enzo with the freed up ADR money, that would undo significant amounts of goodwill repair work the company has achieved Goodwill that gets them nowhere. Problem with ADR was that he was boring. You bring in Enzo and Cass and work this out in a hot angle. Add a few guys make them a sort of DX-like entertaining act. Goodwill that has people tuning back in after long periods of not because of their upswing. Hiring a man who's claim to fame is that there was insufficient evidence for him to be convicted of rape is not going to create positive buzz. Hiring a known locker room antagonist who thought he was bigger than WWE, let alone TNA is not going to help the company backstage. It would be epic levels of shooting themselves in the foot.
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Post by benstudd on Oct 22, 2018 4:44:30 GMT -5
Goodwill that gets them nowhere. Problem with ADR was that he was boring. You bring in Enzo and Cass and work this out in a hot angle. Add a few guys make them a sort of DX-like entertaining act. Goodwill that has people tuning back in after long periods of not because of their upswing. Hiring a man who's claim to fame is that there was insufficient evidence for him to be convicted of rape is not going to create positive buzz. Hiring a known locker room antagonist who thought he was bigger than WWE, let alone TNA is not going to help the company backstage. It would be epic levels of shooting themselves in the foot. Wasn't he found not guilty or something like that? And really it hasn't shown anywhere that "people are coming back".
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2018 7:20:23 GMT -5
Goodwill that has people tuning back in after long periods of not because of their upswing. Hiring a man who's claim to fame is that there was insufficient evidence for him to be convicted of rape is not going to create positive buzz. Hiring a known locker room antagonist who thought he was bigger than WWE, let alone TNA is not going to help the company backstage. It would be epic levels of shooting themselves in the foot. Wasn't he found not guilty or something like that? And really it hasn't shown anywhere that "people are coming back". It's by no means indicative but I've seen quite a few here say they've tubed back in. It's slow progress but for the first time in a long time there is some positive feeling toward the company. With Enzo it was a lack of conclusive evidence either way. He was by no means exonerated and even assuming he didn't actually commit that crime, his behaviour (drugged out partying) isn't what any company wants around.
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