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Post by bob on Oct 21, 2018 19:20:55 GMT -5
Vince revealed as The Higher Power - even as a high school kid I knew that made no sense and wiped out literally months of storyline
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Post by MolotovMocktail on Oct 21, 2018 19:24:01 GMT -5
Taker's first face turn in 92: Jake turns to form an alliance with him, then Taker turns on Jake with no explanation and no previous dissent, and Taker himself was involved in a brutal beatdown on Hogan earlier that night.
Mr. Fuji turning on Demolition for the Powers of Pain. He abandons the current champs, and takes on an unproven replacement, who end up failing miserably in their quest to take the belts.
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Post by CMWaters on Oct 21, 2018 19:32:15 GMT -5
Taker's first face turn in 92: Jake turns to form an alliance with him, then Taker turns on Jake with no explanation and no previous dissent, and Taker himself was involved in a brutal beatdown on Hogan earlier that night. Wasn't it because Jake was about to hit Elizabeth with a chair, and a sign that Undertaker had some sense of morals?
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Oct 21, 2018 19:35:25 GMT -5
The flipside to Austin's Post-Invasion face turn : Kurt's Post-Invasion heel turn. Angle got screwed collosally by it
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Post by Hit Girl on Oct 21, 2018 19:37:47 GMT -5
The NWO's plan to "take over"
Take over what exactly? The company? Unless Ted Turner joined the NWO that wasn't going to happen.
So I guess they wanted to rebrand WCW as NWO, which they did on NWO Monday Nitro and NWO Souled Out, and both were utterly dogshit, so I guess that plan is out the window.
Why didn't the NWO drive a tankjeep to WCW headquarters? One might think capturing the enemy's base would have been a priority.
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Post by Some Guy on Oct 21, 2018 21:02:56 GMT -5
Austin siding with Vince in 2001 Austin teaming with HHH in 2001 Austin turning face after the alliance was defeated in 2001 The first two make perfect sense. He sided with Vince because he was so desperate to beat The Rock, knowing that at that point he had surpassed him in the year he was gone, that he asked for the help of the person he hates the most knowing that he would do it for the power of aligning with the champ. He sided with Triple H because it gave him a firmer grip on the title and removed one of his toughest competitors. Last one yeah I got nothing.
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Post by Lt. Palumbo on Oct 21, 2018 21:41:01 GMT -5
The higher power Undertaker was listening to and screwing over Vince McMahon for... was Vince McMahon. This thread begins and ends with this. I even went back to re-read the wrestlecrap entry for it.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Oct 21, 2018 21:42:45 GMT -5
The nWo coming out to save Sting at Wrestlemania.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2018 21:53:48 GMT -5
The nWo coming out to save Sting at Wrestlemania. I love how in wrestling trying to kill each other for years just means that you'll end up homies.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Oct 21, 2018 22:12:39 GMT -5
Everything about the Higher Power angle.
HHH joining up with Austin in 2001.
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Post by stevec484 on Oct 21, 2018 22:23:06 GMT -5
Austin siding with Vince in 2001 Austin teaming with HHH in 2001 Austin turning face after the alliance was defeated in 2001 The first two make perfect sense. He sided with Vince because he was so desperate to beat The Rock, knowing that at that point he had surpassed him in the year he was gone, that he asked for the help of the person he hates the most knowing that he would do it for the power of aligning with the champ. He sided with Triple H because it gave him a firmer grip on the title and removed one of his toughest competitors. Last one yeah I got nothing. The Vince one has so many logic holes I'm just going to say I disagree. I know that is what they were going for but they failed big time Why would Triple H team with Austin? Wouldn't he want the championship? Makes zero sense. Nothing in it for him.
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Post by Some Guy on Oct 21, 2018 23:47:51 GMT -5
The first two make perfect sense. He sided with Vince because he was so desperate to beat The Rock, knowing that at that point he had surpassed him in the year he was gone, that he asked for the help of the person he hates the most knowing that he would do it for the power of aligning with the champ. He sided with Triple H because it gave him a firmer grip on the title and removed one of his toughest competitors. Last one yeah I got nothing. The Vince one has so many logic holes I'm just going to say I disagree. I know that is what they were going for but they failed big time Why would Triple H team with Austin? Wouldn't he want the championship? Makes zero sense. Nothing in it for him. How does the Vince one have any logic holes? It's the most clear long form storytelling the WWE has ever done. As for the Triple H thing, he saw more value in being part of a dominating team. He was eventually going to turn on Austin, which would have made more sense, but he got hurt 2 months after it started. Stories take time.
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Post by King Devitt on Oct 22, 2018 1:38:28 GMT -5
The first two make perfect sense. He sided with Vince because he was so desperate to beat The Rock, knowing that at that point he had surpassed him in the year he was gone, that he asked for the help of the person he hates the most knowing that he would do it for the power of aligning with the champ. He sided with Triple H because it gave him a firmer grip on the title and removed one of his toughest competitors. Last one yeah I got nothing. The Vince one has so many logic holes I'm just going to say I disagree. I know that is what they were going for but they failed big time Why would Triple H team with Austin? Wouldn't he want the championship? Makes zero sense. Nothing in it for him. For HHH I always saw it as "keep your friends close, but your enemies closer" kinda thing. He was supposed to be a thinking man's wrestler, a schemer, so eventually he would have turned on Austin at the "right time", but until then he could use Austin to help take out any other competition.
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Post by EZ: Brainy Bae on Oct 22, 2018 2:22:02 GMT -5
The first two make perfect sense. He sided with Vince because he was so desperate to beat The Rock, knowing that at that point he had surpassed him in the year he was gone, that he asked for the help of the person he hates the most knowing that he would do it for the power of aligning with the champ. He sided with Triple H because it gave him a firmer grip on the title and removed one of his toughest competitors. Last one yeah I got nothing. The Vince one has so many logic holes I'm just going to say I disagree. I know that is what they were going for but they failed big time Why would Triple H team with Austin? Wouldn't he want the championship? Makes zero sense. Nothing in it for him. I disagree. It's a turn I was enthralled by as neither an Austin or Rock fan at the time, and one that fits more than it's given credit for. I encourage anyone able to rewatch a lot of these segments because it's one of the best periods in the entire history of wrestling. The more I went along writing this the more I appreciate it. Austin was THE man in 1999 and could/should have headlined Wrestlemania for the third time in a row to usher in the new millennium. Instead he gets run over at Survivor Series and is taken off the shelf. The obvious suspects, Triple H and Vince McMahon, each deny that they did it but both use the situation to try and destroy each other. Triple H proves to be more devious when he wins the title and the love of Stephanie. With Austin out of the picture it's The Rock who becomes the fan favorite of the company, wins the Rumble and headlines WM2000. But at Wrestlemania The Rock is betrayed by Vince, aligning with his daughter and son-in-law in a numbers game, and fails to overcome the odds like Austin had many times before. No doubt Austin, watching from afar, saw this as a sign of Rock's weakness and further fueled his hatred for Triple H. As a result of Rock being outnumbered for his title match at Backlash, Linda assigns Austin to the Rock's corner. While the fans love it, Austin sees it as babysitting a guy who couldn't get the damn job done. But it's an excuse to whoop Triple H's and the McMahon's ass, so he does just that. But there's no handshake with The Rock. No celebratory beer bath. Not even a look back. Now healthy, Austin returns at Unforgiven more vicious and unhinged than ever. Keep in mind this is the second injury he's come back from after his neck in '97. He won't let anybody get a hint of weakness, but he knows he's not the man he was before and he's going to do whatever it takes to get the top and stay there. Rikishi spills his big guts the next night in an underrated promo where he says he ran over Stone Cold so that The Rock could succeed where previous Samoans failed. He admits Rock had nothing to do with this but lies when he says he acted solely on his own. Triple H, secretly, put him up to it. The following Smackdown he reverses course and implies that Rock may have had something to do with it after all. Rock protests his innocence but Austin stuns him and re-iterates that he doesn't trust anybody except Stone Cold. His paranoia leaves him vulnerable. With Rikishi's words in his head he errs on giving a 'reforming' Triple H the tiniest of room to turn on him and lay him out. He falls prey to the same betrayal that he held against The Rock. Austin gets a title shot against Kurt Angle on RAW but his dream is shattered when Triple H interferes and screws him out of it. Not only that, but he gets pummeled and bloodied post-match. I'm convinced it's at this point he truly goes off the deep end. The following SD I always found it odd that Austin demanded Vince to show up and put him in the Rumble, and that Vince did so meekly in the middle of his own power-trip. The justification was that Austin was destroying random wrestlers left and right, but what does Vince care about that? Immediately afterwards he gripes to Trish that he had "no choice" but to do so. I always took this as the simplest explanation: Austin said "give me what I want or I whip your ass". But maybe Austin added a caveat to that in the form of "In return, I'll be in your debt if I need you at some point". When Austin won the #1 contender spot against Kurt Angle before this, it was in a triple threat that Vince McMahon refereed where Vince, surprisingly, fairly counted to three. He made sure to hold his fingers up to re-iterate that to Austin as he walked up the ramp. While Triple H faced Angle for the title, Austin had to win the Rumble for any chance of a title shot at Wrestlemania. It his only shot and it's all or nothing for his psyche. This a case where the "shades-of-grey" was executed well enough to plant seeds that would bloom later without making it obvious. For all his underdog status, Austin drew number 27. But Hunter attacks him before he can enter the match to help balance that. Kane introduces a steel chair, but it's Austin who uses it to bludgeon Kane in desperation and eliminates him. In a match where Austin said he would "raise more hell than anyone ever before", it is Kane who made the biggest impact by setting an elimination record. No matter. Austin has his WM main event in the bag and turns his attention to finally get revenge on the man responsible for running him over.... except he doesn't. He loses to Triple H. It's a fluky win, but a fair one where Triple H beat him two straight falls in a row. Austin couldn't beat Triple H. The same Triple H who couldn't beat The Rock fairly. The same Rock who Austin was now going to face at Wrestlemania. He beat him before, but that was two years and an injury ago. This is the biggest match at the biggest Wrestlemania. Maybe he can beat The Rock. Maybe he can't. But he will be the WWF champion when it's all over.
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Post by EZ: Brainy Bae on Oct 22, 2018 2:49:14 GMT -5
As for why Triple H teamed with Austin? The two above covered it, but basically Triple H was still a weasel. Triple H now knew he could beat him AND Austin had just proven to have more in common with him than he would have thought possible. Why not get on his side for now and make sure he remains champion until you're ready to strike? Eventually Triple H would have turned on him, supposedly as a face going by some accounts. I would have loved to have seen that. It should also be noted that Triple H WAS placated temporarily with the alliance by being both the Intercontinental champion and tag team champion at a time when those titles actually meant something.
As an epilogue to my previous post: Austin's fear was right. He would never be able to beat The Rock straight up again. Even when he turned face and Rock was heel at WMXIX, Rock was the better man.
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Post by Feyrhausen on Oct 22, 2018 4:05:14 GMT -5
Survivor Series 2002 Paul Heyman turns on Brock Lesnar to align with Big Show Brock Lesnar was having one of the greatest rookie years in the history of the company, Big Show literally couldn't get the job done from day one, it was crazy betting against Brock for Show The seeds for that were planted after No Mercy, when Brock apologized to Taker. Then over the next month Brock kept showing more and more independence from Heyman. That coupled with the legitimate fear that Brocks offense would not work against a man as big as Big Show led Heyman to betray Brock to keep his position as manager of the world champ.
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Post by auph10imitated on Oct 22, 2018 4:57:53 GMT -5
Terri Runnels being painted as the heel for sleeping with Val Venis while married to Goldust, when he had already dumped her for Luna Vachon a year earlier.
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Post by KobashiChop on Oct 22, 2018 5:05:12 GMT -5
2. Seth Rollins turning on Dean Ambrose and Roman Reigns to break up The Shield. “We can’t beat Evolution...except we just did and one of their members just left the company.” I think they tried to explain it as Seth knowing that no matter what HHH was still the boss and he had to get on his good side to really succeed, but the whole thing just seemed like, “We’re breaking up the Shield because it is time for the Shield to break up,” rather than any good reason. This is the one I came to post. It made ZERO sense. Together with Reigns and Ambrose, Rollins had just gone 2-nothing against Evolution. That should have told him that together they'd be unstoppable. Instead he joined Triple H, who then had Seth become a backup lackey for Randy Orton. Just... what? The Authority protected the f*** out of him, gifted him the MITB briefcase, acted as backup for him when Ambrose came looking for his pound of flesh and that eventually gave him his golden opportunity at WrestleMania. Seth had Evolution beat as part of the Shield. But the Shield at that point were never in the hunt for the WWE title. The boss in Seth's ear appealed to his inner demons and gave him the platform to sell out.
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Post by RedSmile on Oct 22, 2018 6:12:25 GMT -5
I've never understood why Brock Lesnar's botched shooting star press is so celebrated.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Oct 22, 2018 6:17:36 GMT -5
Must add to the people who loved Austin’s turn with Vince. I strongly maintain they should have turned him back for the invasion but the moment itself has always made sense to me.
I always thought Austin’s line in their awesome sit-down interview, “I need to beat you Rock. I need it more than anything that you could ever imagine.” spelled it out perfectly. Austin doesn’t just want to be WWF champion, he NEEDS to be, and will do anything to get it, including joining with Vince, something Rock would never have dreamed of doing. The fact it’s Vince isn’t relevant, he’s simply a guarantee that Austin gets back what he had to watch from the sidelines while he was injured.
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