Nosnorb
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Post by Nosnorb on Oct 24, 2018 8:19:44 GMT -5
It really puts in perspective quite possibly Roman's entire career. Why push him so hard? Why does no one seem to care? Why ignore/literally SILENCE hatred for him and look for any positivity and never turn him heel?? Why does he look near unbeatable, near unstoppable?? This is why... it was always a possibility Roman's career could be put in serious jeopardy. Hell it might even be why HHH chose Roman over Ohno when forming The Shield. This makes me throw all thoughts of nepotism and pet projects out the window. They legitimately just wanted this dude to be one of the best for the shit he had to get through to get here. Did they go overboard with it? Yes, absolutely, but I can't say it doesn't make WAY more sense now with this out in the open, where I was just BAFFLED at how hard and how stubborn it all was in the first place... I get what you're saying, but a lot of the time, the running gag "MAKE ROMAN LOOK REALLY, REALLY STRONG" didn't hold water. Often Reigns looked awful. He worked under a lot of the time in matches he should have dominated, he struggled to beat bums like Jinder Mahal, and when the chips were down, he would often choke. And as much as WWE pushed him, it always seemed like they were holding back from going all in on him.
He had 4 failed shots before winning the World Heavyweight Championship at Survivor Series, and in the match for the vacant title, he faced Dean Ambrose, who choked in almost all of his big matches on PPV after The Shield split. And Roman lost the title 5 minutes later to Sheamus.
I think that WWE knowing that Roman's career could be put on hold at any time accounts for why they pushed him hard, but always seemed to be afraid of going all in.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Oct 24, 2018 10:22:09 GMT -5
Every morning I look at this topic and think its some kinda sick joke.
but I also know that if it was some asshole making dumb jokes this thread would have been locked and deleted immediately
Still a very surreal situation.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2018 10:23:46 GMT -5
It really puts in perspective quite possibly Roman's entire career. Why push him so hard? Why does no one seem to care? Why ignore/literally SILENCE hatred for him and look for any positivity and never turn him heel?? Why does he look near unbeatable, near unstoppable?? This is why... it was always a possibility Roman's career could be put in serious jeopardy. Hell it might even be why HHH chose Roman over Ohno when forming The Shield. This makes me throw all thoughts of nepotism and pet projects out the window. They legitimately just wanted this dude to be one of the best for the shit he had to get through to get here. Did they go overboard with it? Yes, absolutely, but I can't say it doesn't make WAY more sense now with this out in the open, where I was just BAFFLED at how hard and how stubborn it all was in the first place... I think you're overthinking it. I'm pretty sure that if WWE knew that illness could put Roman Reigns on the bench on a moment's notice, they wouldn't have invested so much time into him as the face of the company. I really think it's as simple as Roman Reigns ticked all the boxes that they look for in a top guy, so they stuck with him like they stuck with Cena in the face of all the people complaining about him. I don't think it was some sort of humanitarian make a wish effort, he was just the guy they chose.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2018 10:28:22 GMT -5
It really puts in perspective quite possibly Roman's entire career. Why push him so hard? Why does no one seem to care? Why ignore/literally SILENCE hatred for him and look for any positivity and never turn him heel?? Why does he look near unbeatable, near unstoppable?? This is why... it was always a possibility Roman's career could be put in serious jeopardy. Hell it might even be why HHH chose Roman over Ohno when forming The Shield. This makes me throw all thoughts of nepotism and pet projects out the window. They legitimately just wanted this dude to be one of the best for the shit he had to get through to get here. Did they go overboard with it? Yes, absolutely, but I can't say it doesn't make WAY more sense now with this out in the open, where I was just BAFFLED at how hard and how stubborn it all was in the first place... I'd say Reigns was pushed above all for the kind of man he is. He's loyal. He's a hardworker. He's loved by everyone backstage. He's a leader. He's laidback. He's all about family and friends. He beat cancer once. Now you look at that and then look at what he can bring to the table from an audience standpoint. Us as the audience all we see are a few factors such as how he got over, how good he is in the ring, on the mic. Overall Roman's in-ring improvement, how he rose up and exactly who he's tied to are enough to push him. Everything else I named besides what we see on screen? The backstage stuff? That's enough to make him The Guy for at least 4 years. It's a great combination. Roman's a rare breed. The amount of love Roman's getting from everyone surprised me.
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Post by I'm Team Bayley and Indi on Oct 24, 2018 10:33:55 GMT -5
Every morning I look at this topic and think its some kinda sick joke. but I also know that if it was some asshole making dumb jokes this thread would have been locked and deleted immediately Still a very surreal situation. I get what you mean, every time I click on the section it just will take a lot to get my head around
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Post by Gravedigger's Biscuits on Oct 24, 2018 11:48:12 GMT -5
It really puts in perspective quite possibly Roman's entire career. Why push him so hard? Why does no one seem to care? Why ignore/literally SILENCE hatred for him and look for any positivity and never turn him heel?? Why does he look near unbeatable, near unstoppable?? This is why... it was always a possibility Roman's career could be put in serious jeopardy. Hell it might even be why HHH chose Roman over Ohno when forming The Shield. This makes me throw all thoughts of nepotism and pet projects out the window. They legitimately just wanted this dude to be one of the best for the shit he had to get through to get here. Did they go overboard with it? Yes, absolutely, but I can't say it doesn't make WAY more sense now with this out in the open, where I was just BAFFLED at how hard and how stubborn it all was in the first place... Honestly it really doesnt. He is a great guy buy the lockeroom is FULL of great guys. And even if he was a paragon of virtue ,it still doesnt justify someone not fit for the role being there. Vince though Roman was the most marketable and a company man , that is simply it.He pushed Del Rio to the moon and he is human garbage Exactly. As others have said, Reigns was given a massive push for all the good qualities he has. He's a charismatic good looking guy with a built physique capable of representing the company, demonstrates great athleticism at times and has a strong wrestling family lineage which WWE always likes. I'm pretty sure him having leukaemia at 22 didn't factor into Vince's decisions whatsoever, nor should it quite frankly. I think that's people overthinking it and trying to use this new information to rationalise something that they struggled to understand before. Zack Ryder had cancer when he was young too but it if came back (heaven forbid) then I don't think we'd see anyone saying "Man, they should have put the world title on him when they had the chance!" I'm sure Reigns' illness has had no bearing on his professional career until now and I'm sure if we asked Roman himself, that's the way he wanted it.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Oct 24, 2018 11:51:11 GMT -5
It really puts in perspective quite possibly Roman's entire career. Why push him so hard? Why does no one seem to care? Why ignore/literally SILENCE hatred for him and look for any positivity and never turn him heel?? Why does he look near unbeatable, near unstoppable?? This is why... it was always a possibility Roman's career could be put in serious jeopardy. Hell it might even be why HHH chose Roman over Ohno when forming The Shield. This makes me throw all thoughts of nepotism and pet projects out the window. They legitimately just wanted this dude to be one of the best for the shit he had to get through to get here. Did they go overboard with it? Yes, absolutely, but I can't say it doesn't make WAY more sense now with this out in the open, where I was just BAFFLED at how hard and how stubborn it all was in the first place... I don't think so... I mean, it's a nice sentiment you're speculating on, but not realistic.
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Post by Mr PONYMANIA Mr Jenzie on Oct 24, 2018 12:06:39 GMT -5
a really stoic and powerful speech that roman made and i wish the big dog ..... the BIG BOMB ..... all the best in his fight for recovery!
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Oct 24, 2018 12:23:16 GMT -5
Every morning I look at this topic and think its some kinda sick joke. but I also know that if it was some asshole making dumb jokes this thread would have been locked and deleted immediately Still a very surreal situation. It’s like... We’ve been braced for Reigns to not only be a part of WWE, but likely be it’s main star, for another decade or something. It was next to impossible to see the future of WWE without him. And now, not only is he gone off of TV indefinitely, there’s the outside possibility that he may never come back, be it through retirement or worse. As much as we want to be positive and believe that he’ll be back in action as soon as he can, that’s a very real and very scary possibility on the table. I know how real that possibility is more than I hope everyone else that doesn’t will never ever have to find out.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Oct 24, 2018 13:10:28 GMT -5
I am not going to lie my first thought when I heard of his announcement was that "This has to be the WWE's way of forcing the audience to cheer Roman and gain him sympathy." These were also beliefs that I saw on YouTube comments as well.
Once I started thinking about the Connor's Cure charity, their breast cancer or just cancer in general awareness charity, add in to the fact that in this information and social media age there's nothing that could be kept secret. Also it would literally be company and career suicide if they attempted to use an actual disease such as cancer for storyline purposes.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Oct 24, 2018 13:22:17 GMT -5
I am not going to lie my first thought when I heard of his announcement was that "This has to be the WWE's way of forcing the audience to cheer Roman and gain him sympathy." These were also beliefs that I saw on YouTube comments as well. Once I started thinking about the Connor's Cure charity, their breast cancer or just cancer in general awareness charity, add in to the fact that in this information and social media age there's nothing that could be kept secret. Also it would literally be company and career suicide if they attempted to use an actual disease such as cancer for storyline purposes. Nah you don't play with Cancer. When he said that and the way he was dressed there is no way they would use that to get Roman cheered because if people found out that was fake for a story the WWE would lose every sponsor they had and be f***ed
Just lines you don't think about crossing and in this regard when he said Leukemia my mind was far from a cynic POV
As you said it's career and company suicide in this day and age
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Post by edgestar on Oct 24, 2018 14:09:45 GMT -5
I saw the video of him hugging everyone backstage, and Braun almost made me cry. The guy seems to have a huge heart, and really seemed to show support for Roman.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Oct 24, 2018 14:12:51 GMT -5
I saw the video of him hugging everyone backstage, and Braun almost made me cry. The guy seems to have a huge heart, and really seemed to show support for Roman. Same thing when I saw him and Triple H hugging. I know his professional rep is shaky with a lot of people here, but I've always gotten the sense that Paul Levesque is a top rate human being.
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Post by Chainsaw on Oct 24, 2018 14:34:24 GMT -5
To be honest I'm feeling super torn and kind of guilty over all of this, in that I certainly understand his push a lot more now but that doesn't really change that I just don't find him entertaining to watch. Pretty much my stance. Yeah, dude seems like a nice guy and hope he makes a full recovery. But I'm not going to pretend that suddenly he was the most entertaining or most over person on the roster... cause well he wasn't. The best thing they can do when Roman comes back, and I think he will come back from this, is for them to just let him go out there and do what he should have done since the beginning. Let him be himself. Don't have Vince or Trips or anyone from creative write anything for him. Let him talk from the heart, about what he's been through, what he wants from his career, and what's next. Even if it's quiet, even if it isn't very long, let him talk from the heart. And let him be the guy he's always supposed to have been, a guy who won people over instead of having him be pushed on everyone as being The Guy.
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Post by the2ndevil on Oct 24, 2018 14:35:54 GMT -5
I saw the video of him hugging everyone backstage, and Braun almost made me cry. The guy seems to have a huge heart, and really seemed to show support for Roman. Up thread, there was an embed of a Braun Instagram post about this that was very nice. I know there was a podcast that had a clip on YouTube shortly after Greatest Royal Rumble where he went into detail about how Roman has helped him as a performer.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2018 14:36:00 GMT -5
Pretty much my stance. Yeah, dude seems like a nice guy and hope he makes a full recovery. But I'm not going to pretend that suddenly he was the most entertaining or most over person on the roster... cause well he wasn't. The best thing they can do when Roman comes back, and I think he will come back from this, is for them to just let him go out there and do what he should have done since the beginning. Let him be himself. Don't have Vince or Trips or anyone from creative write anything for him. Let him talk from the heart, about what he's been through, what he wants from his career, and what's next. Even if it's quiet, even if it isn't very long, let him talk from the heart. And let him be the guy he's always supposed to have been, a guy who won people over instead of having him be pushed on everyone as being The Guy. Do agree with that, though to be honest it wouldn't really do anything to fix the fact that I think all of his matches are unbelievably boring. But whatever, all the same I do undoubtedly hope he makes it back one day.
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Post by Cyno on Oct 24, 2018 14:40:27 GMT -5
I also never realized how tight Roman and Titus were until I saw that clip. Roman even called Titus his mentor.
Titus is locker room dad. Confirmed.
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Post by Fade on Oct 24, 2018 14:42:03 GMT -5
Every morning I look at this topic and think its some kinda sick joke. but I also know that if it was some asshole making dumb jokes this thread would have been locked and deleted immediately Still a very surreal situation. On Tuesday, I woke up in the morning and it was the first thing I thought of. Very surreal. My heart goes out to people that have to deal with cancer in their real lives. I merely know Roman through a TV show and it permeated my every day thoughts.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Oct 24, 2018 15:11:28 GMT -5
I also never realized how tight Roman and Titus were until I saw that clip. Roman even called Titus his mentor. Titus is locker room dad. Confirmed. Well, you have to figure that in a lot of ways their road was similar. Both have been single dads whose football careers went up in smoke and had to start over fresh in a new "sport".
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Post by Chainsaw on Oct 24, 2018 15:21:01 GMT -5
This hit my girlfriend particularly hard, because she went through having leukemia, and this whole thing happened the week anniversary she was diagnosed.
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