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Post by fw91 on Nov 29, 2018 19:19:49 GMT -5
The Mets also appear to want to move on from Noah I don’t think they want to, but think they have to. Big mistake
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Post by Cyno on Nov 29, 2018 19:36:12 GMT -5
Taking on Cano would be the Mets-iest move the Mets could do. Though Diaz is a stud so at least there'd be some upside.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2018 19:52:29 GMT -5
I'm so torn on the news today. Let's see if I can weigh the positives and the negatives:
Negatives: -Robinson Cano's last 3 years. Woof. -Closers can be a dime a dozen. -McNeil projected to have the same fWar as Cano (3) and he's a possibility to be in the deal. -Kelenic has been mentioned. He's the most excited I've been for a Mets prospect since Thor. Would suck giving him up.
Positives: -This is a win now move and Cano should still be above average for 19 and 20. -Yeah closers are a dime a dozen but Diaz was NASTY this year. 3.5 Fwar and he's ONLY 24. -Not a guarantee prospects turn out as they say. -Jay Bruce and Swarzak are apparently part of the deal...I'll take Cano over them easy.
One thing is for sure...we MUST make more moves after this.
Now for Thor. I love the guy. He's my biggest man crush since David Wright...but multiple little injuries can add (ask d'Arnaud) and this might be the only time to get a max return for him.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 29, 2018 19:55:51 GMT -5
Taking on Cano would be the Mets-iest move the Mets could do. Though Diaz is a stud so at least there'd be some upside. Better them than the Yanks
Still want Yanks to roll up on Arizona like we want Goldie and we will take Grienke contract off your hands too
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Post by RKTaker on Nov 29, 2018 21:13:41 GMT -5
i am really nervous about this potential cano trade don’t mess up bvw
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Post by RKTaker on Nov 29, 2018 21:22:48 GMT -5
and apparently mets are sending over kelenic, dunn and Mcneil WHAT THE f*** BVW!!!!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2018 21:31:10 GMT -5
and apparently mets are sending over kelenic, dunn and Mcneil WHAT THE f*** BVW!!!!!!! It's not going to be both Kelenic and Mcneil, it will be one or the other. Lots of reporters have confirmed that.
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Post by RKTaker on Nov 29, 2018 21:36:58 GMT -5
and apparently mets are sending over kelenic, dunn and Mcneil WHAT THE f*** BVW!!!!!!! It's not going to be both Kelenic and Mcneil, it will be one or the other. Lots of reporters have confirmed that. no it's both twitter.com/martinonyc/status/1068324921829400577
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 29, 2018 21:37:11 GMT -5
and apparently mets are sending over kelenic, dunn and Mcneil WHAT THE f*** BVW!!!!!!! It's not going to be both Kelenic and Mcneil, it will be one or the other. Lots of reporters have confirmed that.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2018 21:43:40 GMT -5
It's not going to be both Kelenic and Mcneil, it will be one or the other. Lots of reporters have confirmed that. Martino also just tweeted that he said those are the players being talked. Said it may not be all.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 29, 2018 21:46:09 GMT -5
Martino also just tweeted that he said those are the players being talked. Said it may not be all. I saw
Trade isn't official until it is announced but it is a matter of who will go in the deal as yeah Mets can't seriously get rid 3 young pieces
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Post by BRV on Nov 29, 2018 22:35:45 GMT -5
It's not going to be both Kelenic and Mcneil, it will be one or the other. Lots of reporters have confirmed that. That's a hideous trade for the Mets. In a time when they need to rebuild rather than reload, they're trading away two top-five organizational prospects (#3 Kelenic, #4 Dunn) for Diaz (who is 24 years old and under team control through 2022, so a good asset) and the hideous Robinson Cano contract which still has four years and $96 million remaining as he enters his age 37 season. Again, the Mets should be focusing on rebuilding, as they finished 77-85 last season and there are two to three teams in their division better than them now and with brighter futures. The Mets were going nowhere in 2018 and this trade at best takes a 77-win team and moves them to barely above .500, which means nothing as the Braves and Phillies could both push 90 wins.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 29, 2018 22:42:16 GMT -5
That's a hideous trade for the Mets. In a time when they need to rebuild rather than reload, they're trading away two top-five organizational prospects (#3 Kelenic, #4 Dunn) for Diaz (who is 24 years old and under team control through 2022, so a good asset) and the hideous Robinson Cano contract which still has four years and $96 million remaining as he enters his age 37 season. Again, the Mets should be focusing on rebuilding, as they finished 77-85 last season and there are two to three teams in their division better than them now and with brighter futures. The Mets were going nowhere in 2018 and this trade at best takes a 77-win team and moves them to barely above .500, which means nothing as the Braves and Phillies could both push 90 wins. I think with some consistent bats the Mets may surprise some people
Now is the answer trading away young talent for an aging high paid Cano and lights out Diaz, maybe not but this trade ensures that at least for year they are in win now mode
Now is it wise to be in win now mode when you could tear it down and be a really good team in 5 years, that is debatable and i'm sure something a lot of Met fans are going to ponder for a while
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Post by BRV on Nov 29, 2018 22:46:49 GMT -5
Now is the answer trading away young talent for an aging high paid Cano and lights out Diaz, maybe not but this trade ensures that at least for year they are in win now mode Now is it wise to be in win now mode when you could tear it down and be a really good team in 5 years, that is debatable and i'm sure something a lot of Met fans are going to ponder for a while But that brings me back to my main point: what good is a "win-now" attitude when you're a distant third-best team in your own division? Atlanta is better. Philadelphia is better. Being middle-of-the-road gets you nowhere fast. Right now, the Mets' focus should be on letting those two beat up on each other as they sell assets for blue-chip prospects and try to build the next National League dynasty in the 2020s, not clawing for 85 wins and the second Wild Card berth.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 29, 2018 22:50:34 GMT -5
Now is the answer trading away young talent for an aging high paid Cano and lights out Diaz, maybe not but this trade ensures that at least for year they are in win now mode Now is it wise to be in win now mode when you could tear it down and be a really good team in 5 years, that is debatable and i'm sure something a lot of Met fans are going to ponder for a while But that brings me back to my main point: what good is a "win-now" attitude when you're a distant third-best team in your own division? Atlanta is better. Philadelphia is better. Being middle-of-the-road gets you nowhere fast. Right now, the Mets' focus should be on letting those two beat up on each other as they sell assets for blue-chip prospects and try to build the next National League dynasty in the 2020s, not clawing for 85 wins and the second Wild Card berth. Distant 3rd is debatable though
I think if Mets add a bat like Machado for instance, the Braves aren't that far ahead of them. The Braves pitching still needs work and i'm not 100% sold on Philly but they have the assets to make a move for Bryce Harper. I'd give Mets SP an edge over Philly and ATL, it's the offense where they lack
This move only really makes sense if they are committed to going all in but I highly doubt it with their frugal owners
Personally, i'd just done with the rebuild and be content in 5 years the potential team I could have would be a killer (same way Braves tore it down and waited) but for more reason Mets think this move will work
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Post by RKTaker on Nov 29, 2018 22:57:46 GMT -5
Now is the answer trading away young talent for an aging high paid Cano and lights out Diaz, maybe not but this trade ensures that at least for year they are in win now mode Now is it wise to be in win now mode when you could tear it down and be a really good team in 5 years, that is debatable and i'm sure something a lot of Met fans are going to ponder for a while But that brings me back to my main point: what good is a "win-now" attitude when you're a distant third-best team in your own division? Atlanta is better. Philadelphia is better. Being middle-of-the-road gets you nowhere fast. Right now, the Mets' focus should be on letting those two beat up on each other as they sell assets for blue-chip prospects and try to build the next National League dynasty in the 2020s, not clawing for 85 wins and the second Wild Card berth. we tried that this decade, it didn't work
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Post by RKTaker on Nov 29, 2018 23:15:18 GMT -5
apparently mets are hesitant on trading mcneil, may sub in gerson batista instead
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Post by häšhtå.gdālėÿ on Nov 30, 2018 0:06:08 GMT -5
Apparently the Giants are kicking the tires of Realmuto... WHAT?!
Even if Posey never catches another game in his career (I think he will), the Giants still have Aramis Garcia / Hundley to bridge the gap to Joey Bart. It’s one of the few positions they don’t need much help at.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 30, 2018 0:10:17 GMT -5
Apparently the Giants are kicking the tires of Realmuto... WHAT?! Even if Posey never catches another game in his career (I think he will), the Giants still have Aramis Garcia / Hundley to bridge the gap to Joey Bart. It’s one of the few positions they don’t need much help at. Yea, that's just being greedy unless you think he is athletic enough to play OF or planning to move Bart (which is way too early to do)
Posey should have enough on the tired for 2 years to bridge the gap to Bart and if not you don't sign veteran talent that will block their spot
Kind of reminiscent of the Yankees signing Martin and then McCann while Sanchez was still in the minors and it had Yankee fans scratching their heads
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 30, 2018 10:00:52 GMT -5
McNeil isn’t included in the deal
Another reliever off the Mets will go to Seattle
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