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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2018 19:26:55 GMT -5
Vince: "ladies and gentlemen.. we got him" Hogan breaks through the ring and throws a flower pot at ringside I so want Vince to do a speech using meme terms.
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Post by Hypnosis on Dec 17, 2018 19:30:23 GMT -5
I've been saying it for a long time: Raw needs more chaos.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2018 19:31:01 GMT -5
They put the blame on the agents rather than the guys. Alvarez was like "what were those agents thinking?" and they were confused as to why the guys were booked that way. Took multiple shots at the guys who laid out the show. Said this hurt Ambrose and Rollins. Meltzer pretty much said that the interest weren't in the guys from the crowd given the main event women's TLC match and the Bryan/Styles match which was a hot match so they were the buffer/bathroom match in between. He said it was too long, said it needed to be earlier in the show, should have been a hot 10 mins. Alvarez said it was a regular wrestling match following the Bryan match when it didn't make any sense. Shouldn't have been a straight wrestling match. That's all pretty much what I said in the other threads. Overall they were f***ed, didn't have a gimmick and whoever booked them screwed them over. Another reason why booking PPVs around gimmick matches is a poor crutch. This needed a street fight or similar gimmick to suit the feud, buts it's TLC which doesn't really facilitate the feud. It's stupid as shit. I still don't get why it wasn't a Chairs match. It writes itself with the Shield's history.
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Post by JoDaNa1281 on Dec 17, 2018 19:33:08 GMT -5
Yeah their words were (Meltzer first and Alvarez second) "There's a lot of reasons that didn't work. Vince was furious at it too. It's funny because obviously they've played it up as this big grudge match but they went out there and-" "They locked up."
"They did a wrestling match" "Did holds, dives" "Yeah and the one thing, I won't say I got mad at but it perplexed me was that Seth Rollins did a spot where he powerbombed Dean Ambrose out on the corner and his knee goes out and that's good because everyone remembered the spot where his knee goes out and that's good. Then he gets back up, powerbombs the guy through a table, like a second later, and he's out running the ropes and doing all this and doing dives."Â "Dude, it wasn't just a powerbomb through the table. He sold his knee like he'd blown it out again and then he did a running Bucklebomb. And there was another one earlier where he sold it like he blew out his knee, actually I think this is the one where he did it out of the corner, he sold it like he blew out his knee and followed it up with 2 Topes and later when he did it again that's when he did the Bucklebomb into the corner." "Yeah I was just perplexed. If you're gonna do that then sell it. Whatever." Honestly thought the same thing. Don't go for some dive right after your knee "buckles". Crowd didn't even react to it lol. Of course they didn't react to it, they do them so much that it just isn't that exciting anymore.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2018 19:39:01 GMT -5
So how many people will threaten to stop watching WWE when Vince's announcement isn't anything special?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2018 19:39:26 GMT -5
Also, how often will we hear "shake things up" tonight? More or less than 20 times?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2018 19:41:07 GMT -5
Yeah their words were (Meltzer first and Alvarez second) "There's a lot of reasons that didn't work. Vince was furious at it too. It's funny because obviously they've played it up as this big grudge match but they went out there and-" "They locked up."
"They did a wrestling match" "Did holds, dives" "Yeah and the one thing, I won't say I got mad at but it perplexed me was that Seth Rollins did a spot where he powerbombed Dean Ambrose out on the corner and his knee goes out and that's good because everyone remembered the spot where his knee goes out and that's good. Then he gets back up, powerbombs the guy through a table, like a second later, and he's out running the ropes and doing all this and doing dives." "Dude, it wasn't just a powerbomb through the table. He sold his knee like he'd blown it out again and then he did a running Bucklebomb. And there was another one earlier where he sold it like he blew out his knee, actually I think this is the one where he did it out of the corner, he sold it like he blew out his knee and followed it up with 2 Topes and later when he did it again that's when he did the Bucklebomb into the corner." "Yeah I was just perplexed. If you're gonna do that then sell it. Whatever." Honestly thought the same thing. Don't go for some dive right after your knee "buckles". Crowd didn't even react to it lol. Yeah it goes back to that report that said Vince tells them to sell sometimes and sometimes don't sell. Whoever the agent was for this match didn't give a f*** because it was the first match of their new feud. The problem is that it makes the rest of this look bad.
Shit's crazy man. People have been half-assing this feud. They put the blame on the agents rather than the guys. Alvarez was like "what were those agents thinking?" and they were confused as to why the guys were booked that way. Took multiple shots at the guys who laid out the show. Said this hurt Ambrose and Rollins. Meltzer pretty much said that the interest weren't in the guys from the crowd given the main event women's TLC match and the Bryan/Styles match which was a hot match so they were the buffer/bathroom match in between. He said it was too long, said it needed to be earlier in the show, should have been a hot 10 mins. Alvarez said it was a regular wrestling match following the Bryan match when it didn't make any sense. Shouldn't have been a straight wrestling match. That's all pretty much what I said in the other threads. Overall they were f***ed, didn't have a gimmick and whoever booked them screwed them over. Another reason why booking PPVs around gimmick matches is a poor crutch. This needed a street fight or similar gimmick to suit the feud, buts it's TLC which doesn't really facilitate the feud. It's stupid as shit. Yep. Meltz agreed that Ambrose should have won but it could have been better positioned. Had they begun the ppv with the match and then do the MMC stuff in place of this it would have worked but wow, they were just given a bad hand to work with. I'm really expecting them to go all crazy with this Ambrose/Rollins stuff from now on given how that match was yesterday. Like that Ambrose/Corbin WM match where they had to go on the pre-show and then 2 nights later on SDL they had a killer match, expect Ambrose/Rollins to go into overdrive now.
This company is stupid. You gotta force them to do shit they should have been doing in the first place.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2018 19:43:46 GMT -5
Why do these events need to have ten matches on them?
MMC Finals didn't need to be on that show Natalya vs Ruby Riott didn't need to be on that show Finn Balor and Drew didn't need to be on that show Rey Misterio and Randy didn't need to be on that show.
The crowd can't be blamed for being dead after they've been forced to watch 4 hours of wrestling in an uncomfortable arena. Also, the match sucked.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2018 19:45:38 GMT -5
Vince: "ladies and gentlemen.. we got him" Hogan breaks through the ring and throws a flower pot at ringside I so want Vince to do a speech using meme terms. This is where I'd put my great creative team... IF I HAD ONE
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2018 19:47:21 GMT -5
They also mentioned that this hurt both guys. Rollins is hurt because he's been set up for Lesnar and Ambrose is hurt due to the fact that he's the lead heel.
Whichever agent booked this match and whoever made the layout of this show pretty much gave their lead male face and lead male heel on Raw shots to the chest.
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Post by edgestar on Dec 17, 2018 19:50:13 GMT -5
Why do these events need to have ten matches on them? MMC Finals didn't need to be on that show Natalya vs Ruby Riott didn't need to be on that show Finn Balor and Drew didn't need to be on that show Rey Misterio and Randy didn't need to be on that show. The crowd can't be blamed for being dead after they've been forced to watch 4 hours of wrestling in an uncomfortable arena. Also, the match sucked. I agree on some points, though, some people may think Orton/Rey just being a regular TV match, would've been a better PPV match. Nattie/Ruby could've been resolved on Raw. MMC finals, is a different match, and could be a fun change of pace for the show.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2018 19:51:41 GMT -5
Why do these events need to have ten matches on them? MMC Finals didn't need to be on that show Natalya vs Ruby Riott didn't need to be on that show Finn Balor and Drew didn't need to be on that show Rey Misterio and Randy didn't need to be on that show. The crowd can't be blamed for being dead after they've been forced to watch 4 hours of wrestling in an uncomfortable arena. Also, the match sucked. I agree on some points, though, some people may think Orton/Rey just being a regular TV match, would've been a better PPV match. Nattie/Ruby could've been resolved on Raw. MMC finals, is a different match, and could be a fun change of pace for the show. I thought the MMC Final was a fun little choice for an opener, but I was expecting it to be on the preshow.
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Post by brettappedout (BLM) on Dec 17, 2018 19:54:37 GMT -5
No leaks yet? Interesting.
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Post by Hypnosis on Dec 17, 2018 19:54:39 GMT -5
At least it wasn't Snitsky's fault.
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Post by ASYLUMHAUSEN on Dec 17, 2018 19:55:28 GMT -5
5 minutes to go....I'm willingly tuning into Raw for the first time in a couple weeks just to see what the senile old man has to say. Guess I better get started with my pre-show prep;
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2018 19:55:33 GMT -5
No leaks yet? Interesting. Drake Maverick just had one.
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Post by edgestar on Dec 17, 2018 19:56:26 GMT -5
It's almost time to shake things up!!!!!
It's also almost Boss Time
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Post by ASYLUMHAUSEN on Dec 17, 2018 19:56:55 GMT -5
No leaks yet? Interesting. Drake Maverick just had one.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2018 19:57:09 GMT -5
Vince better not have the announcement at the end of the show.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Dec 17, 2018 19:57:17 GMT -5
I agree on some points, though, some people may think Orton/Rey just being a regular TV match, would've been a better PPV match. Nattie/Ruby could've been resolved on Raw. MMC finals, is a different match, and could be a fun change of pace for the show. I thought the MMC Final was a fun little choice for an opener, but I was expecting it to be on the preshow. With it being on the main show, they could really promote TLC being the first ppv on Facebook Watch or Facebook Live or Facebook Information Up for Grabs, or whatever they're calling it.
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