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Post by abjordans on Jan 6, 2019 12:45:09 GMT -5
Evil Daniel Bryan disgusted at the red carpet being rolled out for Omega when he fought tooth and nail for everything he has while opening doors for Omega sounds good. Let’s do that for Mania.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jan 6, 2019 13:35:04 GMT -5
The New Japan fan in me would much rather see Kenny stay, and continue to help the company continue expand into new markets. I like Jay White, but he’s not as over a gaijin to where Omega is- yet. But I doubt WWE is offering him millions of dollars for a Ziggler or Roode spot on the card. If he signs with them, do not be shocked if he immediately tries to challenge for the WWE World/Universal Title. They’re going to want to keep their newest acquisition as happy as possible. A lot of what you see in them booking AJ super strong comes from the money they paid the man when he came in. Kenny might open up a bit rough in the same way AJ sort of did--midcard Jericho feud, losing at Mania for some inexplicable reason, lost to Roman in the follow-up--but there's no way they'd see him as someone to keep dicking about in the middle of nowhere on the card just because.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2019 13:41:45 GMT -5
Is anyone really worried about Kenny Omega not being a main eventer? It's not really my worry. For me it's more about cases like when Daniel Bryan came back from permanent retirement, and within a few weeks he wrestled AJ Styles and it felt like it was no big deal at all. Guys can stagnate easily there, so as a fan I'd rather not see that. I'm less interested in dream matches for the sake of dream matches. WWE's track record for taking things that on paper are incredible and making them not feel that special are pretty high. I'm sure Omega would have a great career in WWE, with good matches, and occasional great moments, but the alternative scene is so much more interesting and I'd like to see him continue to be a part of it.
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Post by Tea & Crumpets on Jan 6, 2019 14:10:57 GMT -5
Fair to Flair, but that was a different era. The Flair booking is pretty much exactly what I'd give Omega. I wouldn't say Rhonda has really been made the centrepiece of the show. She's booked very strong yes, but has never felt to me like she's the main star- she's quite probably main eventing Mania and at that point yes she can be considered as such but I don't really feel like she came in at the absolute top. Though that could be because WWE's womens division has historically been on a lower tier and they are still elevating it. Apart from Flair and Rousey, you have Sting who debuted in the main event of Survivor Series and whose first match was against HHH, or Goldberg who debuted the night after Mania and whose first match was against The Rock. Goldberg I'd argue is a bad example- his debut segment and match was high profile, but he wasn't main event apart from that first segment then he had a midcard feud with Jericho, then despite looking strong in the Chamber, lost and subsequently his title win just felt like it came too late. He should have won at the Chamber, or even earlier, Jericho could have been a filler defence, then you can have him lose through sledgehammer shenanigans and injury. Goldberg did not come in at the top and was never booked on top, he had a couple of months as champion but lost the title clean to HHH who was still the centre of attention. Sting came in high profile yes, but again not as the guy, and isn't really equivocal given he was outright coming in as a legend rather than a top active wrestler- You wouldn't expect him to come in and be a WWE Title main eventer at his age. But okay, I was too unequivocal in my phrasing- Rather than never, I will instead rephrase it as: I would find it very unlikely in the current era, given WWE's decade-plus of attempting to monopolise the industry, and the way their last high profile outsider signings (Nakamura & AJ) came in, that Omega would come in at the top Flair-style. I'd be pleasantly surprised if he did but I would expect the "notable midcard match, filler feuds until the summer and then he starts to move up." Assuming he DOES go to WWE: I'd love to be wrong, I'd love it if he came in won the Rumble and had a Meltzer-popping main event with Bryan or Styles at Mania but I just wouldn't expect Omega to come in how I'd like to see him come in, how I'd imagine the majority of his fanbase would want to see him come in, and how he would have to come in to really capitalise on the buzz.
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Post by Chiral on Jan 6, 2019 16:42:00 GMT -5
Apart from Flair and Rousey, you have Sting who debuted in the main event of Survivor Series and whose first match was against HHH, or Goldberg who debuted the night after Mania and whose first match was against The Rock. Goldberg I'd argue is a bad example- his debut segment and match was high profile, but he wasn't main event apart from that first segment then he had a midcard feud with Jericho, then despite looking strong in the Chamber, lost and subsequently his title win just felt like it came too late. He should have won at the Chamber, or even earlier, Jericho could have been a filler defence, then you can have him lose through sledgehammer shenanigans and injury. Goldberg did not come in at the top and was never booked on top, he had a couple of months as champion but lost the title clean to HHH who was still the centre of attention. Sting came in high profile yes, but again not as the guy, and isn't really equivocal given he was outright coming in as a legend rather than a top active wrestler- You wouldn't expect him to come in and be a WWE Title main eventer at his age. But okay, I was too unequivocal in my phrasing- Rather than never, I will instead rephrase it as: I would find it very unlikely in the current era, given WWE's decade-plus of attempting to monopolise the industry, and the way their last high profile outsider signings (Nakamura & AJ) came in, that Omega would come in at the top Flair-style. I'd be pleasantly surprised if he did but I would expect the "notable midcard match, filler feuds until the summer and then he starts to move up." Assuming he DOES go to WWE: I'd love to be wrong, I'd love it if he came in won the Rumble and had a Meltzer-popping main event with Bryan or Styles at Mania but I just wouldn't expect Omega to come in how I'd like to see him come in, how I'd imagine the majority of his fanbase would want to see him come in, and how he would have to come in to really capitalise on the buzz. Right, I'd be legit shocked if they gave him a WM world title shot/main event right away. I just cannot see that happening. They just generally give people a cooled off start before pushing them. To name a few off the top of my head: -AJ -Goldberg -Sting -Nakamura -Lesnar 2012 return -Bryan 2018 return -Jericho -Jericho 2007 return WWE even seems wary of pushing some people coming up from their own developmental. They're gonna be paying Kenny a lot sure, but WWE is still WWE about things, and I really can't think of a time someone became the new #1 John Cena/Reigns "The Guy" immediately coming from another company in modern times (Ronda is the closest I suppose but Reigns was still their #1 when she showed up). And even then, I've pretty much hated how they've booked their #1 guy probably the entire time I've watched WWE so I don't know if I'd be too excited about that either if they somehow did end up giving Kenny everything.
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Post by TGM on Jan 6, 2019 16:53:09 GMT -5
Imagine if WWE renamed him and put him in NXT.
Regal: "and Takeover Brooklyn, you'll be defending that North American championship against NXT's newest signing - Tyson Elite!!"
I just made myself irrationally angry and a little bit sick typing that.
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Post by CMWaters on Jan 6, 2019 17:01:05 GMT -5
If Styles wasn't in the title match, I'd say have the Rumble be a WWE debut for Omega in a similar manner to how Styles debuted. Styles playing the role of Roman, Omega the role of Styles.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jan 6, 2019 17:08:08 GMT -5
Imagine if WWE renamed him and put him in NXT. Regal: "and Takeover Brooklyn, you'll be defending that North American championship against NXT's newest signing - Tyson Elite!!" I just made myself irrationally angry and a little bit sick typing that. Yeah, but in the meantime, you'd get a 5-star Kenny/Ricochet banger out of it.
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Post by KofiMania on Jan 6, 2019 17:13:47 GMT -5
Apart from Flair and Rousey, you have Sting who debuted in the main event of Survivor Series and whose first match was against HHH, or Goldberg who debuted the night after Mania and whose first match was against The Rock. Goldberg I'd argue is a bad example- his debut segment and match was high profile, but he wasn't main event apart from that first segment then he had a midcard feud with Jericho, then despite looking strong in the Chamber, lost and subsequently his title win just felt like it came too late. He should have won at the Chamber, or even earlier, Jericho could have been a filler defence, then you can have him lose through sledgehammer shenanigans and injury. Goldberg did not come in at the top and was never booked on top, he had a couple of months as champion but lost the title clean to HHH who was still the centre of attention. Sting came in high profile yes, but again not as the guy, and isn't really equivocal given he was outright coming in as a legend rather than a top active wrestler- You wouldn't expect him to come in and be a WWE Title main eventer at his age. But okay, I was too unequivocal in my phrasing- Rather than never, I will instead rephrase it as: I would find it very unlikely in the current era, given WWE's decade-plus of attempting to monopolise the industry, and the way their last high profile outsider signings (Nakamura & AJ) came in, that Omega would come in at the top Flair-style. I'd be pleasantly surprised if he did but I would expect the "notable midcard match, filler feuds until the summer and then he starts to move up." Assuming he DOES go to WWE: I'd love to be wrong, I'd love it if he came in won the Rumble and had a Meltzer-popping main event with Bryan or Styles at Mania but I just wouldn't expect Omega to come in how I'd like to see him come in, how I'd imagine the majority of his fanbase would want to see him come in, and how he would have to come in to really capitalise on the buzz. He may not debut as “the guy” and ace of the company obviously, but that’s different than being “brought in at the top.” He most certainly would be in the top 3-4 matches of PPVs during 2019. Saying Goldberg was not at the top is odd, he was in featured programs almost the whole of 2013.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Jan 6, 2019 18:03:38 GMT -5
In what probably means nothing, Kenny released a new shirt on PWTs today.
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Post by eJm on Jan 6, 2019 18:52:13 GMT -5
In what probably means nothing, Kenny released a new shirt on PWTs today. Wow, that “I’m Going to CZW” shirt looks AMAZING.
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Post by Sir Woodrow on Jan 6, 2019 19:13:31 GMT -5
In what probably means nothing, Kenny released a new shirt on PWTs today. Wow, that “I’m Going to CZW” shirt looks AMAZING. That's weird, I heard he'd been in talks with Brian Knobbs & Jimmy Hart about helping to revive the XWf
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Post by eJm on Jan 6, 2019 19:18:09 GMT -5
Wow, that “I’m Going to CZW” shirt looks AMAZING. That's weird, I heard he'd been in talks with Brian Knobbs & Jimmy Hart about helping to revive the XWf At the very least, he’d be a great talking head on the inevitable DVD where Knobbs tells us how great it would have been and the pieces falling to place.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2019 19:43:00 GMT -5
Fair to Flair, but that was a different era. The Flair booking is pretty much exactly what I'd give Omega. I wouldn't say Rhonda has really been made the centrepiece of the show. She's booked very strong yes, but has never felt to me like she's the main star- she's quite probably main eventing Mania and at that point yes she can be considered as such but I don't really feel like she came in at the absolute top. Though that could be because WWE's womens division has historically been on a lower tier and they are still elevating it. Apart from Flair and Rousey, you have Sting who debuted in the main event of Survivor Series and whose first match was against HHH, or Goldberg who debuted the night after Mania and whose first match was against The Rock. And AJ who while he went through some rebuilding at first, beat Cena clean and became the centerpiece of SmackDown within eight months of his debut.
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Post by Dub H on Jan 6, 2019 20:45:13 GMT -5
Kenny Omega is going to work for Vince McMahon...
AS A NEW QUARTERBACKER FOR EXTREME FOOTBAL.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Jan 6, 2019 21:49:00 GMT -5
Just reported by Tokyo Sports that he is leaving.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jan 6, 2019 21:51:16 GMT -5
Just reported by Tokyo Sports that he is leaving. Well then, the plot is indeed thickening now.
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Post by Dub H on Jan 6, 2019 21:53:32 GMT -5
Just reported by Tokyo Sports that he is leaving. Well then, the plot is indeed thickening now. In a way it has been kinda fresh.When was the time a wrestler had such a mystique and speculation about what he is doing? Even AJ was heavily hinted he was leaving for WWE.
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Post by häšhtå.gdālėÿ on Jan 6, 2019 21:55:33 GMT -5
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jan 6, 2019 21:55:44 GMT -5
Well then, the plot is indeed thickening now. In a way it has been kinda fresh.When was the time a wrestler had such a mystique and speculation about what he is doing? Even AJ was heavily hinted he was leaving for WWE. Which is why it’ll be so funny when it comes out that he signed with Impact.
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