Urethra Franklin
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Post by Urethra Franklin on Jan 5, 2019 18:16:28 GMT -5
If he does go to WWE, it occurs to me that the finisher situation is going to be a little tricky. He's going to have a bitch of a time doing the One Winged Angel to a lot of guys. Yup. For a couple of reasons - A. Logistical ones and B. People aren’t gonna wanna take it. I know Killian Dain is using it now, but you can bet that a guy like Daniel Bryan isn’t gonna take that 15 times a month on the house show circuit.
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Post by Tea & Crumpets on Jan 5, 2019 18:20:26 GMT -5
The only way I want to see Omega join the WWE is if Braun is “attacked” pre show and can’t take on Lesnar at The Rumble and Omega is a surprise to take his place and beats Brock for the title on debut. Otherwise, I would rather Kenny stay with NJPW. Honestly yeah. Kenny to WWE would have to be instant #1 guy. Like, AJ came in as a big deal sure after his NJPW run revitalised his career as "yeah this dude is still amazing". But Omega's past 2 years have just been unreal. In a company with Okada, Tanahashi, Ibushi, Naito, and even guys like Ishii in midcard, Omega has been the top worker and produced matches that have blown my mind, as a fan who has watched wrestling matches from all over the world and from the 1960s to present day, I've never seen anything like his last few years. I never thought the goofball otaku from 2007-08 would be this. He's in a very, very different position to where AJ was when he came in. As protected as AJ was and has been, Omega can't come to WWE to get the "It's the big leagues now" treatment to start with. He kind of has to come in and smash the established order. The only way I can see him debuting other than this sort of shock is if he debuted as #30 in the Rumble- Hell, even one step further- debut as #30 in the Rumble and finally book the "everyone is eliminated before 30 comes out" idea. He wins the Rumble by sheer virtue of existing, winning the RR is essentially the announcement that he's signed with WWE, but make his first match the Mania main event. Otherwise, I actually think he becomes a SMALLER name by signing with WWE, which is crazy. But he won't get that treatment, because WWE would never give any outsider that treatment, and from their perspective you can see why. Why give the world to someone who you didn't make, and who could just as easily turn round and walk out on you in a year or two because he doesn't need you? Omega in WWE is a conundrum. It's the Sting in WWE of the modern era, and I don't know how you bring him in in a way that retains buzz and interest, but doesn't either devalue Omega or bury the rest of your roster.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2019 18:44:46 GMT -5
It’s selfish to say but I really, really hope Omega doesn’t go to WWE. It would be a good payday for sure and I’d mark out like a child if he showed up, but he’d be completely neutered creatively. At best he’d be a flashier AJ, or a better Rollins - a consistently pushed top guy who nevertheless gets bogged down in relentless identikit matches that mean nothing and go nowhere, and be involved in truly god awful storylines.
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the2ndevil
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Post by the2ndevil on Jan 5, 2019 18:55:58 GMT -5
If he does go to WWE, it occurs to me that the finisher situation is going to be a little tricky. He's going to have a bitch of a time doing the One Winged Angel to a lot of guys. To use AJ Styles as a comparison, maybe treat it like the Stylrs Clash, where it’s mostly teased, and he has another move promoted from signature to finisher.
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Post by KobashiChop on Jan 5, 2019 18:58:07 GMT -5
If he does go to WWE, it occurs to me that the finisher situation is going to be a little tricky. He's going to have a bitch of a time doing the One Winged Angel to a lot of guys. To use AJ Styles as a comparison, maybe treat it like the Stylrs Clash, where it’s mostly teased, and he has another move promoted from signature to finisher. I wouldn't be surprised if the V Trigger became his finisher. It looks like death anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2019 19:19:46 GMT -5
To use AJ Styles as a comparison, maybe treat it like the Stylrs Clash, where it’s mostly teased, and he has another move promoted from signature to finisher. I wouldn't be surprised if the V Trigger became his finisher. It looks like death anyway. That'd be good, especially the corner, running version. I think it's important for a smaller guy (let's face it, he looks jacked but is average height at best even in New Japan) to have a move he could conceivably and smoothly hit on bigger guys, just like Finn's stomp, Bryan's knee, and AJ's forearm.
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Post by KofiMania on Jan 5, 2019 20:10:36 GMT -5
The only way I want to see Omega join the WWE is if Braun is “attacked” pre show and can’t take on Lesnar at The Rumble and Omega is a surprise to take his place and beats Brock for the title on debut. Otherwise, I would rather Kenny stay with NJPW. Honestly yeah. Kenny to WWE would have to be instant #1 guy. Like, AJ came in as a big deal sure after his NJPW run revitalised his career as "yeah this dude is still amazing". But Omega's past 2 years have just been unreal. In a company with Okada, Tanahashi, Ibushi, Naito, and even guys like Ishii in midcard, Omega has been the top worker and produced matches that have blown my mind, as a fan who has watched wrestling matches from all over the world and from the 1960s to present day, I've never seen anything like his last few years. I never thought the goofball otaku from 2007-08 would be this. He's in a very, very different position to where AJ was when he came in. As protected as AJ was and has been, Omega can't come to WWE to get the "It's the big leagues now" treatment to start with. He kind of has to come in and smash the established order. The only way I can see him debuting other than this sort of shock is if he debuted as #30 in the Rumble- Hell, even one step further- debut as #30 in the Rumble and finally book the "everyone is eliminated before 30 comes out" idea. He wins the Rumble by sheer virtue of existing, winning the RR is essentially the announcement that he's signed with WWE, but make his first match the Mania main event. Otherwise, I actually think he becomes a SMALLER name by signing with WWE, which is crazy. But he won't get that treatment, because WWE would never give any outsider that treatment, and from their perspective you can see why. Why give the world to someone who you didn't make, and who could just as easily turn round and walk out on you in a year or two because he doesn't need you? Omega in WWE is a conundrum. It's the Sting in WWE of the modern era, and I don't know how you bring him in in a way that retains buzz and interest, but doesn't either devalue Omega or bury the rest of your roster. You’re way overrating Omega’s reach right now. He won’t become a smaller name by going to WWE. Maybe he won’t be looked at as fondly by the diehards that are aware of him right now but he most certainly will become a bigger, more well-known name by going to WWE. I know it’s just Twitter, but for example, Omega has like 300K followers whereas Rollins has 3.4 million, Bryan has 4.5 million, Styles has 1 million, Balor 1.3.
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Post by Tea & Crumpets on Jan 6, 2019 6:02:43 GMT -5
Honestly yeah. Kenny to WWE would have to be instant #1 guy. Like, AJ came in as a big deal sure after his NJPW run revitalised his career as "yeah this dude is still amazing". But Omega's past 2 years have just been unreal. In a company with Okada, Tanahashi, Ibushi, Naito, and even guys like Ishii in midcard, Omega has been the top worker and produced matches that have blown my mind, as a fan who has watched wrestling matches from all over the world and from the 1960s to present day, I've never seen anything like his last few years. I never thought the goofball otaku from 2007-08 would be this. He's in a very, very different position to where AJ was when he came in. As protected as AJ was and has been, Omega can't come to WWE to get the "It's the big leagues now" treatment to start with. He kind of has to come in and smash the established order. The only way I can see him debuting other than this sort of shock is if he debuted as #30 in the Rumble- Hell, even one step further- debut as #30 in the Rumble and finally book the "everyone is eliminated before 30 comes out" idea. He wins the Rumble by sheer virtue of existing, winning the RR is essentially the announcement that he's signed with WWE, but make his first match the Mania main event. Otherwise, I actually think he becomes a SMALLER name by signing with WWE, which is crazy. But he won't get that treatment, because WWE would never give any outsider that treatment, and from their perspective you can see why. Why give the world to someone who you didn't make, and who could just as easily turn round and walk out on you in a year or two because he doesn't need you? Omega in WWE is a conundrum. It's the Sting in WWE of the modern era, and I don't know how you bring him in in a way that retains buzz and interest, but doesn't either devalue Omega or bury the rest of your roster. You’re way overrating Omega’s reach right now. He won’t become a smaller name by going to WWE. Maybe he won’t be looked at as fondly by the diehards that are aware of him right now but he most certainly will become a bigger, more well-known name by going to WWE. I know it’s just Twitter, but for example, Omega has like 300K followers whereas Rollins has 3.4 million, Bryan has 4.5 million, Styles has 1 million, Balor 1.3. I should have clarified, obviously in terms of raw numbers of viewers/people aware of him he'd not be a smaller name. I meant in terms of..I dunno, feel. It's very intangible and subjective I know, but the buzz Omega has right now...I feel like that fades fast if he goes to WWE and does the routine debut shtick. It did for AJ, it did HARD for Nakamura and it did for Asuka, AJ got built back up because he'd been reasonably protected but Nakamura went from a hot signing to a very cold midcard act, and yes you can say his body broke down but it's not even about that, he's been booked abysmally regardless of his health. I feel like Omega coming in with "decent showing in the Rumble and midcard match at Mania", goes from "the hottest free agent in the world, biggest name outside of WWE, indy megastar" to "Kenny Omega, that WWE wrestler". And yes, that's subjective and hard to quantify but to me that's a step down.
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Post by chazraps on Jan 6, 2019 6:08:09 GMT -5
I just want Kenny paid, creatively satisfied and happy.
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Post by honsou on Jan 6, 2019 6:58:05 GMT -5
I just want Kenny paid, creatively satisfied and happy. He will certainly get paid, the rumored offer from WWE is 3.5 million a year, AEW has been rumored to be throwing around WCW level amounts of money so their offer won't be too far off from that, the NJPW offer would probably be less but still likely around a million a year. I can't even think of the last time a guy has been so highly sought after by major companies. Creatively satisfied and happy is probably what it's going to come down to. He may go to WWE to prove that he could "make it" there and be the top guy, but at the end of the day I think he'd be miserable there. AEW seems like his best bet when it comes to freedom since his good friends will be the bookers but we'll see
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Post by King Devitt on Jan 6, 2019 7:43:13 GMT -5
To use AJ Styles as a comparison, maybe treat it like the Stylrs Clash, where it’s mostly teased, and he has another move promoted from signature to finisher. I wouldn't be surprised if the V Trigger became his finisher. It looks like death anyway. This is what I was thinking as well. Plus it would help if he stopped spamming it 300 times a match. I love Kenny, but that's a huge annoyance for me.
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Post by KobashiChop on Jan 6, 2019 9:59:12 GMT -5
I wouldn't be surprised if the V Trigger became his finisher. It looks like death anyway. This is what I was thinking as well. Plus it would help if he stopped spamming it 300 times a match. I love Kenny, but that's a huge annoyance for me. Yeah every time I see it, it genuinely looks like a match ender. It seems really inexplicable that he would need to hit that more than twice a match.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jan 6, 2019 10:40:27 GMT -5
The New Japan fan in me would much rather see Kenny stay, and continue to help the company expand into new markets. I like Jay White, but he’s not as over a gaijin to where Omega is- yet.
But I doubt WWE is offering him millions of dollars for a Ziggler or Roode spot on the card. If he signs with them, do not be shocked if he immediately tries to challenge for the WWE World/Universal Title. They’re going to want to keep their newest acquisition as happy as possible.
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Post by KofiMania on Jan 6, 2019 11:33:33 GMT -5
The New Japan fan in me would much rather see Kenny stay, and continue to help the company continue expand into new markets. I like Jay White, but he’s not as over a gaijin to where Omega is- yet. But I doubt WWE is offering him millions of dollars for a Ziggler or Roode spot on the card. If he signs with them, do not be shocked if he immediately tries to challenge for the WWE World/Universal Title. They’re going to want to keep their newest acquisition as happy as possible. Yeah I’d expect a Mania match with either Brock, Styles or Bryan if Omega signs.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Jan 6, 2019 11:37:08 GMT -5
But he won't get that treatment, because WWE would never give any outsider that treatment, and from their perspective you can see why. Why give the world to someone who you didn't make, and who could just as easily turn round and walk out on you in a year or two because he doesn't need you? Never? Never ever ever?
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Jan 6, 2019 11:56:39 GMT -5
I just want Kenny paid, creatively satisfied and happy. In diz business you only get one out of those three. You can’t pick them all.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Jan 6, 2019 11:57:34 GMT -5
But he won't get that treatment, because WWE would never give any outsider that treatment, and from their perspective you can see why. Why give the world to someone who you didn't make, and who could just as easily turn round and walk out on you in a year or two because he doesn't need you? Never? Never ever ever? I’ll never forget when Bobby Heenan managed Leslie Nielsen
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Post by Tea & Crumpets on Jan 6, 2019 12:02:06 GMT -5
But he won't get that treatment, because WWE would never give any outsider that treatment, and from their perspective you can see why. Why give the world to someone who you didn't make, and who could just as easily turn round and walk out on you in a year or two because he doesn't need you? Never? Never ever ever? Fair to Flair, but that was a different era. The Flair booking is pretty much exactly what I'd give Omega. I wouldn't say Rhonda has really been made the centrepiece of the show. She's booked very strong yes, but has never felt to me like she's the main star- she's quite probably main eventing Mania and at that point yes she can be considered as such but I don't really feel like she came in at the absolute top. Though that could be because WWE's womens division has historically been on a lower tier and they are still elevating it.
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Post by KofiMania on Jan 6, 2019 12:05:58 GMT -5
Never? Never ever ever? Fair to Flair, but that was a different era. The Flair booking is pretty much exactly what I'd give Omega. I wouldn't say Rhonda has really been made the centrepiece of the show. She's booked very strong yes, but has never felt to me like she's the main star- she's quite probably main eventing Mania and at that point yes she can be considered as such but I don't really feel like she came in at the absolute top. Though that could be because WWE's womens division has historically been on a lower tier and they are still elevating it. Apart from Flair and Rousey, you have Sting who debuted in the main event of Survivor Series and whose first match was against HHH, or Goldberg who debuted the night after Mania and whose first match was against The Rock.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Jan 6, 2019 12:06:07 GMT -5
Yeah for the money they’re throwing at him, no way WWE books him in the midcard.
Dude would immediately be in one of the world title matches at mania.
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