Bang Bang Bart
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Jan 17, 2019 21:23:12 GMT -5
what injuries did Bryan lie about exactly? wouldn't WWE's doctors have found out about Nigel's arm anyway? I would think the neck/head problems that's plagued him throughout his career.
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Jan 17, 2019 21:31:31 GMT -5
So did anyone watch this thing? I want to know if it's worth checking out. i did, and found it to be very odd because it seemed the message of the documentary is "honesty is for suckers". Danielson, who said wrestling for WWE wasn't his dream, lies about his past injuries, gets signed, and goes on to be a major WWE star. McGuinness, who always dreamed of wrestling for WWE, is honest about his, gets rejected, and sees his lifelong dream die. and they keep hammering home if he hadn't been honest about his past injuries, he'd be wrestling for WWE right now.
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Post by salz4life on Jan 17, 2019 21:47:23 GMT -5
So did anyone watch this thing? I want to know if it's worth checking out. It’s tremendous. Definite must watch, IMO.
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Post by chazraps on Jan 17, 2019 22:36:18 GMT -5
So did anyone watch this thing? I want to know if it's worth checking out. I absolutely loved it. Huge Nigel fan, and as someone who always loved but was always crushed by his 'The Last of McGuinness' documentary a few years back, the ending to this one was really genuinely inspiring. Also, the use of ROH, TNA and Indie footage is a pretty incredible example of what the Network is capable of.
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Post by cabbageboy on Jan 17, 2019 23:22:45 GMT -5
It was heartbreaking. Probably the most powerful documentary WWE has aired on the Network. I also checked out The Last of McGuinness after watching it since some of the footage was used here. The most chilling scene was him sulking in his apt. after his last match only to get the news that Bryan won the world title that night at a WWE PPV, with Bryan texting him something like "They put the belt on me tonight, wish you were here."
Is there any particular reason he can't get the bicep surgery now and make a comeback?
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Post by Larryhausen on Jan 17, 2019 23:44:31 GMT -5
This reminds me. I never contributed to his crowdfund for The Last of McGuiness, but I did run into him when he was visiting a PWG show and I drunkenly handed him like 10 bucks cash or so. He took my name down, but I have no idea if I actually made it into the credits.
Also, based on that single interaction, I can guarantee that Nigel is one of the best things to ever happen to the wrestling business
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Post by clifford on Jan 18, 2019 5:50:58 GMT -5
This was a great watch, my heart just broke for Nigel, and I'm so happy to see him in a good place at the moment.
But throughout the whole thing I couldn't help but think...what's stopping him from getting back in the ring?
And I don't really see why he had to retire in 2011 like he did? He could still go, there were no career ending injuries, and there were so many options available to him. It looks like he just felt that if he weren't in WWE or TNA...there was no point? Which kind of goes against the ethos the documentary was making. I dunno, I felt like there was more to it than we are led to believe.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Jan 18, 2019 11:10:34 GMT -5
So did anyone watch this thing? I want to know if it's worth checking out. i did, and found it to be very odd because it seemed the message of the documentary is "honesty is for suckers". Danielson, who said wrestling for WWE wasn't his dream, lies about his past injuries, gets signed, and goes on to be a major WWE star. McGuinness, who always dreamed of wrestling for WWE, is honest about his, gets rejected, and sees his lifelong dream die. and they keep hammering home if he hadn't been honest about his past injuries, he'd be wrestling for WWE right now. That was complete bullshit, Nigel told the truth and even presented his medical records he doesn’t even gets a shot and he goes to third rate tna where his career is derailed by catching hepatitis b on a dirty ring. Meanwhile Bryan lied and bullshitted throughout his all interview and then gets hired, when in reality Bryan himself later admitted that he had a lot of serious injuries before getting hired by the wwe. Life is really unfair.
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Post by Dat Dude on Jan 18, 2019 11:15:31 GMT -5
It was very done documentary. This is the type of content I enjoy the most on the network
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Jan 18, 2019 11:16:20 GMT -5
This was a great watch, my heart just broke for Nigel, and I'm so happy to see him in a good place at the moment. But throughout the whole thing I couldn't help but think...what's stopping him from getting back in the ring? And I don't really see why he had to retire in 2011 like he did? He could still go, there were no career ending injuries, and there were so many options available to him. It looks like he just felt that if he weren't in WWE or TNA...there was no point? Which kind of goes against the ethos the documentary was making. I dunno, I felt like there was more to it than we are led to believe. In the last of Mcguiness he said that he was retiring because he was already at his mid thirties and realized that the wwe would never try to hire him again, he was concerned about getting permanently injured if he still worked a hard hitting style and he wasn’t getting any younger, at the time no company could pay him a wage to live and still wrestle (he even had to work at a deli during his last year in tna), and finally because he didn’t thought that he could still put up amazing performances and keep up with the young guys coming up. Sadly he had to get a real job because wrestling wasn’t paying him enough.
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Post by lookout on Jan 18, 2019 19:12:01 GMT -5
I loved it. He comes across as such a likable person which makes the story so much more emotional. I sure got the impression that eventually he will get a match in wwe and that could also be billed as his real retirement match.(with bryan being the obvious choice) Needless to say it would be poetic if his real final match would be in the wwe after all he went through...and certainly much better than that sad scene of his last one.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Jan 19, 2019 0:27:15 GMT -5
Suppose he did get one more match against Bryan, I wonder what the reaction would be if Bryan used Nigel's previous retirement for cheap heat (i.e. a heel Bryan bragging about how he found success while McGuinness couldn't)?
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Post by häšhtå.gdālėÿ on Jan 19, 2019 0:33:28 GMT -5
I nearly lost it when it played the personal footage of him telling his family he felt like a failure for not making it.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Jan 19, 2019 0:46:59 GMT -5
I nearly lost it when it played the personal footage of him telling his family he felt like a failure for not making it. Granted I've never been in the exact situation as McGuinness was, but I've definitely had similar feelings in the past about my own life, so to see it in this documentary, it made me relate to him even more.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Jan 19, 2019 2:23:25 GMT -5
If Nigel makes the roster in 2011 he would’ve made it to the top faster than Bryan.
I still believe that Wade Barrett being in nxt was plan b after they couldn’t get Nigel.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2019 2:54:56 GMT -5
I’ll have to check this out as I was gonna give it a skip seeing The Last of McGuiness was understandably such a bummer and even a couple years ago there were stories about how depressed he was from other wrestlers and Nigel himself.I hope they interviewed Michael Carbonaro.
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