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Post by SirLucas on Jan 27, 2019 1:37:25 GMT -5
As great as Gargano and Ciampa are on NXT they are at risk of getting lost in the mid card shuffle on the main roster. Or we they will have to adapt their style to main roster quick job tv matches.
Case and point, Nakamura has a kick off show match tomorrow, which will probably be rushed and formulaic as heel with the announcers prompting the Rumble match during the match.
Look at Bobby Roode. Completely off the radar at this point. If he splits w Chad Gable, nobody will care and would barely qualify for a five minute kick off match.
God forbid Gargano and Ciampa debut after Mania and end off on the PPV kickoff months down the line.
Anyway, it's just that for some of these guys like Gargano and Ciampa, their work on NXT is SO GOOD, that you feel it's never going to be that level of greatness again on the main roster.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Jan 27, 2019 1:40:06 GMT -5
The difference.
Bobby Roode sucks and Nakamura wasn’t even blowing people away in NXT because he’s washed.
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Post by Shark on Jan 27, 2019 1:42:10 GMT -5
With how much Triple H has talked up both guys, I can see him fighting tooth and nail to make sure both guys get sustained pushes on the main roster.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jan 27, 2019 1:43:51 GMT -5
Gargano will have the easier time, probably.
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Post by schizo on Jan 27, 2019 1:47:00 GMT -5
Bobby Roode had a very decent run on Smackdown despite not being that great and is the current Tag Champ and Nak is still featured pretty promptly on Smackdown. They're both fine right where they at right now
Not everyone can be main eventers
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Post by DZ: WF Legacy on Jan 27, 2019 1:53:22 GMT -5
I don't get too excited about NXT call-ups often, but it's 100% on WWE if they screw grimy heel Ciampa up. He is money.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Jan 27, 2019 2:03:37 GMT -5
Also keep in mind that John Cena helped Gargano get signed.
Cena will LEAP at the chance to put him over.
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Post by adamclark52 on Jan 27, 2019 2:14:43 GMT -5
Nah, I'm looking forward to it
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Post by The Legendary Ring Troll {BLM} on Jan 27, 2019 3:20:33 GMT -5
Let’s be honest, the Nakamura/Joe/Roode era of NXT wasn’t on par with Gargano/Ciampa. Probably my least favorite era despite liking all three dudes.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2019 3:49:24 GMT -5
Honestly I've pretty much never been under the opinion either of them will amount to anything on the main roster. I just don't see it happening, the main roster just isn't conductive to how they've been booked or potrayed and they don't strike me as guys Vince would have even a little interest in pushing.
Ciampa maybe but I can't see Gargano even managing to get as far as the US / Intercontinental title.
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Post by Super Duper Dragunov on Jan 27, 2019 5:08:37 GMT -5
I worry about anyone getting called up from NXT.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jan 27, 2019 6:25:53 GMT -5
I worry about anyone getting called up from NXT. Yeah, it's the big reason that despite the rave reviews, I can't really get into NXT; you know the talent's not intended to be there for too long, it's clear that being on top of NXT isn't their primary goal (making the main roster is), and far too many of these guys and gals get to the main roster and after a big debut pop end up becoming "just another face in the crowd". It's disheartening. With the attention Gargano/Ciampa has gotten I think they at least have a better chance than others, but the risks are very real. NXT and main roster WWE are two incredibly different products in an enormous number of ways, so there's always a chance that things that worked to get somebody over in NXT won't translate on Raw or SD. Nobody says that everybody has to be a main eventer, but it'd be nice if more people got to be interesting in any capacity. That's a key problem with the main roster; people rack up accolades like titles and whatnot, but they often do next to nothing to actually make the wrestlers more interesting or to develop them as characters, personalities, as people in feuds, etc. |
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Jan 27, 2019 6:56:56 GMT -5
With how much Triple H has talked up both guys, I can see him fighting tooth and nail to make sure both guys get sustained pushes on the main roster. Yeah, Ciampa and Gargano are Triple H and Shawn Michaels' boys. They're going to be protected the same way Rollins always has been. |
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Post by TheMediocreWarrior on Jan 27, 2019 11:44:36 GMT -5
I worry about anyone getting called up from NXT. On the plus side, I'm gradually getting desensitized to WWE wasting NXT stars after they are called up. So Ciampa and Gargano getting lost in the shuffle won't be as annoying for me as "surefire female Cena" Bayley was. |
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Jan 27, 2019 12:07:31 GMT -5
I worry about anyone getting called up from NXT. On the plus side, I'm gradually getting desensitized to WWE wasting NXT stars after they are called up. So Ciampa and Gargano getting lost in the shuffle won't be as annoying for me as "surefire female Cena" Bayley was. Okay. People said this for months and months about Bayley and got bent out of shape when it didn’t happen. You can blame booking all you want but plain and simple, Bayley isn’t the talent that Cena is. Straight up. She’s not as good of a wrestler and she damn sure isn’t close to his level as a promo. Cena got his spot as merch seller and hero to children because he’s great at what he does and not because he’s packaged in bright colors. NXT is a different product and is presented way differently. Bayley was protected in that bubble where she got to rehearse all of her big matches and had the benefit of promo editing. She was exposed the minute she had to improvise on the mic and didn’t have a crowd of trained loyalists surrounding her. |
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Post by thetower52 on Jan 27, 2019 12:13:40 GMT -5
Johnny 205 live
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Post by Porky's Butthole on Jan 27, 2019 13:17:36 GMT -5
On the plus side, I'm gradually getting desensitized to WWE wasting NXT stars after they are called up. So Ciampa and Gargano getting lost in the shuffle won't be as annoying for me as "surefire female Cena" Bayley was. Okay. People said this for months and months about Bayley and got bent out of shape when it didn’t happen. You can blame booking all you want but plain and simple, Bayley isn’t the talent that Cena is. Straight up. She’s not as good of a wrestler and she damn sure isn’t close to his level as a promo. Cena got his spot as merch seller and hero to children because he’s great at what he does and not because he’s packaged in bright colors. NXT is a different product and is presented way differently. Bayley was protected in that bubble where she got to rehearse all of her big matches and had the benefit of promo editing. She was exposed the minute she had to improvise on the mic and didn’t have a crowd of trained loyalists surrounding her. Careful, now. Can't let the truth get in the way this discussion. |
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on Jan 27, 2019 13:33:57 GMT -5
On the plus side, I'm gradually getting desensitized to WWE wasting NXT stars after they are called up. So Ciampa and Gargano getting lost in the shuffle won't be as annoying for me as "surefire female Cena" Bayley was. Okay. People said this for months and months about Bayley and got bent out of shape when it didn’t happen. You can blame booking all you want but plain and simple, Bayley isn’t the talent that Cena is. Straight up. She’s not as good of a wrestler and she damn sure isn’t close to his level as a promo. Cena got his spot as merch seller and hero to children because he’s great at what he does and not because he’s packaged in bright colors. NXT is a different product and is presented way differently. Bayley was protected in that bubble where she got to rehearse all of her big matches and had the benefit of promo editing. She was exposed the minute she had to improvise on the mic and didn’t have a crowd of trained loyalists surrounding her. See, I can’t agree on the in the ring thing, she’s been a bit sloppy for sure at times, but she’s still a very good hand. The problem with Bayley is that what you have to do to succeed in the promo driven character laden WWE isn’t the same as the protected taped NXT. It’s why people like Elias and Alexa, and shit I’ll even throw Enzo in their despite being a tool. All of them are terrible to at best passable in the ring sometimes, but having good promo skills and a great character made them some of the most over and pushed in the company. “I wrestle good and have determination is my character” really doesn’t mean much on main roster tv if that’s all you have to offer. That’s why I’m not worried about Ciampa, too. He’s an evil asshole heel, when have those ever not been featured prominently on Raw or Smackdown? |
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Jan 27, 2019 13:37:51 GMT -5
Okay. People said this for months and months about Bayley and got bent out of shape when it didn’t happen. You can blame booking all you want but plain and simple, Bayley isn’t the talent that Cena is. Straight up. She’s not as good of a wrestler and she damn sure isn’t close to his level as a promo. Cena got his spot as merch seller and hero to children because he’s great at what he does and not because he’s packaged in bright colors. NXT is a different product and is presented way differently. Bayley was protected in that bubble where she got to rehearse all of her big matches and had the benefit of promo editing. She was exposed the minute she had to improvise on the mic and didn’t have a crowd of trained loyalists surrounding her. See, I can’t agree on the in the ring thing, she’s been a bit sloppy for sure at times, but she’s still a very good hand. The problem with Bayley is that what you have to do to succeed in the promo driven character laden WWE isn’t the same as the protected taped NXT. It’s why people like Elias and Alexa, and shit I’ll even throw Enzo in their despite being a tool. All of them are terrible to at best passable in the ring sometimes, but having good promo skills and a great character made them some of the most over and pushed in the company. “I wrestle good and have determination is my character” really doesn’t mean much on main roster tv if that’s all you have to offer. I didn't say Bayley was awful. She’s just not the in-ring performer that Cena is. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 27, 2019 14:16:12 GMT -5
Stop it, ain't nothing wrong with Roode and Nak. Roode has a tag and US champ while Nak gets prominent TV time and had a very busy 2018 winning the rumble and a big feud with AJ
If they get that they are fine. Hopefully, they don't get treated like Ember Moon who hasn't done shit on the main roster so far
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