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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Feb 9, 2019 15:24:47 GMT -5
Can someone explain me why closed fist punches were illegal?
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 10, 2019 1:36:13 GMT -5
Can someone explain me why closed fist punches were illegal? In real life, one punch can end a fight before it even really begins, so I think they wanted to not annihilate kayfabe. Beyond that, an open fist is less likely to result in injury for both the puncher and the punched, more give. It also gave the heel more shit to do to get heat, if they were clearly closing their fist, or wrapping it, etc. Obviously, this is a rule they got lax on over time, kind of like how WWE fluctuates on if they bother using the tag ropes or not, or refs getting more lax on blind tags after people got utterly sick of that whole spot for faces in peril. In kayfabe, refs are often explained away as having some level of discretion on what rules they crack down on, but because of that, fans sometimes get confused if they bother, like calling for a DQ for breaking up a pin twice without tagging out first, something that is apparently illegal but often forgotten.
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Post by The 1Watcher Experience on Feb 10, 2019 3:04:57 GMT -5
Austin’s punches were terrible. I’m surprised to see so much love for them. I say that as a big fan of Austin too. I always felt the one thing Brutus Beefcake did right were his punches. Watch when he has someone in the corner and he climbs the ropes to stand over them and punch them in the head several times. I slowed it down and his hand opens flat on every connecting hit yet you never see the hand open in real time. It’s pretty impressive.
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Post by RowdyRobbyPiper on Feb 10, 2019 4:17:24 GMT -5
Lawler, followed by Scott Hall and then....Jim Cornette. Go watch the tuxedo match with Paul E, and tell me they aren't up there. A childhood spent watching Lawler and Jackie Fargo (whose name should also be on that list) will eventually rub off on you.
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Post by honsou on Feb 10, 2019 7:01:00 GMT -5
I absoutely love Necro Butcher's punches
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2019 8:19:35 GMT -5
Surprised not to see Steve Williams not mentioned. His punches looked brutal and I’ve seen a few wrestlers quote him as the best worked puncher.
Lawler is a damn close second though.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Feb 10, 2019 10:06:08 GMT -5
Can someone explain me why closed fist punches were illegal? In real life, one punch can end a fight before it even really begins, so I think they wanted to not annihilate kayfabe. Beyond that, an open fist is less likely to result in injury for both the puncher and the punched, more give. It also gave the heel more shit to do to get heat, if they were clearly closing their fist, or wrapping it, etc. Obviously, this is a rule they got lax on over time, kind of like how WWE fluctuates on if they bother using the tag ropes or not, or refs getting more lax on blind tags after people got utterly sick of that whole spot for faces in peril. In kayfabe, refs are often explained away as having some level of discretion on what rules they crack down on, but because of that, fans sometimes get confused if they bother, like calling for a DQ for breaking up a pin twice without tagging out first, something that is apparently illegal but often forgotten. But wouldn’t a suplex hurt more than a punch? Those aren’t illegal.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Feb 10, 2019 11:17:24 GMT -5
But wouldn’t a suplex hurt more than a punch? Those aren’t illegal. A suplex will knock the wind out of you and definitely doesn't tickle, but isn't generally a fight-ender in a shoot situation; a well-aimed punch can legit knock you unconscious.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Feb 10, 2019 12:02:52 GMT -5
But wouldn’t a suplex hurt more than a punch? Those aren’t illegal. A suplex will knock the wind out of you and definitely doesn't tickle, but isn't generally a fight-ender in a shoot situation; a well-aimed punch can legit knock you unconscious. I disagree, a suplex can take you out the same as a punch. The carnies that invented the rules were some weird f***ers. The drop kick also has more impact than a punch but they’re legal.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Feb 10, 2019 12:06:19 GMT -5
A suplex will knock the wind out of you and definitely doesn't tickle, but isn't generally a fight-ender in a shoot situation; a well-aimed punch can legit knock you unconscious. I disagree, a suplex can take you out the same as a punch. The carnies that invented the rules were some weird f***ers. The drop kick also has more impact than a punch but they’re legal. Anything can be a fight-ender if done right, but you look at MMA and a throw isn't usually what ends the fight, it's the follow-up.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Feb 10, 2019 12:08:19 GMT -5
I disagree, a suplex can take you out the same as a punch. The carnies that invented the rules were some weird f***ers. The drop kick also has more impact than a punch but they’re legal. Anything can be a fight-ender if done right, but you look at MMA and a throw isn't usually what ends the fight, it's the follow-up. Matt Hughes and Rampage say hi lol. Well a throw sometimes becomes a slam...
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Post by El Pollo Guerrera on Feb 10, 2019 12:42:09 GMT -5
Voted Other: The Great Kabuki had an amazing uppercut.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2019 12:47:14 GMT -5
Kerry Von Erich. Didn't love the discus punch but his regular right hands looked like killers
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 10, 2019 13:01:24 GMT -5
In real life, one punch can end a fight before it even really begins, so I think they wanted to not annihilate kayfabe. Beyond that, an open fist is less likely to result in injury for both the puncher and the punched, more give. It also gave the heel more shit to do to get heat, if they were clearly closing their fist, or wrapping it, etc. Obviously, this is a rule they got lax on over time, kind of like how WWE fluctuates on if they bother using the tag ropes or not, or refs getting more lax on blind tags after people got utterly sick of that whole spot for faces in peril. In kayfabe, refs are often explained away as having some level of discretion on what rules they crack down on, but because of that, fans sometimes get confused if they bother, like calling for a DQ for breaking up a pin twice without tagging out first, something that is apparently illegal but often forgotten. But wouldn’t a suplex hurt more than a punch? Those aren’t illegal. Keep in mind, there was a time when suplexes and dropkicks were finishing moves. Most of matches back then would have been a lot of grappling, lot of stalling, and probably not a lot of big WOW moves.
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Post by Garyspivey on Feb 10, 2019 17:31:37 GMT -5
Foley said it best on Terry Funk’s punches in his book
Confirmed by Mick Foley in his book, 'Have a Nice Day', pg. 189:
"No matter what mannerisms I 'borrowed,' I knew that I would never throw a punch like Terry's, which was truly a thing of beauty. Many people, including me, considered the Funker's big left hand to be the nicest punch in the business.
A few minutes into the big match, Terry took me into the corner, and I saw him rear back with the big left. This was going to be great. Here it comes.
Thwack.
I felt like I did when I was eight and my mother came clean about Santa Claus. I had just learned the hidden "secret" of the great Funk left hand. It was so simple--I'd been a fool for not knowing the whole time. Terry Funk had just punched me as hard as he could in the forehead."
Mick told him he was surprised to learn Terry's punches looked so real because they were simply real. Terry laughed and said something like "aww, and all this time you just thought I was good
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2019 20:04:40 GMT -5
A suplex will knock the wind out of you and definitely doesn't tickle, but isn't generally a fight-ender in a shoot situation; a well-aimed punch can legit knock you unconscious. I disagree, a suplex can take you out the same as a punch. The carnies that invented the rules were some weird f***ers. The drop kick also has more impact than a punch but they’re legal. Honestly? Here's my theory. Think back to the shoot origins of pro wrestling. They used to let challengers go in against the wrestlers back in the primordial days. Never know when some dude may embarrass your champ by KTFO him.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Feb 10, 2019 21:10:36 GMT -5
Foley said it best on Terry Funk’s punches in his book Confirmed by Mick Foley in his book, 'Have a Nice Day', pg. 189: "No matter what mannerisms I 'borrowed,' I knew that I would never throw a punch like Terry's, which was truly a thing of beauty. Many people, including me, considered the Funker's big left hand to be the nicest punch in the business. A few minutes into the big match, Terry took me into the corner, and I saw him rear back with the big left. This was going to be great. Here it comes. Thwack. I felt like I did when I was eight and my mother came clean about Santa Claus. I had just learned the hidden "secret" of the great Funk left hand. It was so simple--I'd been a fool for not knowing the whole time. Terry Funk had just punched me as hard as he could in the forehead." Mick told him he was surprised to learn Terry's punches looked so real because they were simply real. Terry laughed and said something like "aww, and all this time you just thought I was good Tom Prichard said the same thing about Lawler’s punches haha.
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Post by theshockmaster on Feb 12, 2019 17:47:46 GMT -5
Stan Hansen. Oh, you said "worked".
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2019 17:54:45 GMT -5
Stan Hansen. Oh, you said "worked". The only thing "worked" about Stan Hansen was the finish of the match. Loved his in ring work and he seems like the nicest dude you could imagine NOW, but I'd rather fight a bull than have a match with Hansen.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2019 1:16:42 GMT -5
Lawler, followed by Savage. Though I will always love Hogan's ridiculous, Popeye style windup punch.
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