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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Feb 14, 2019 16:42:29 GMT -5
Ask the cruiserweights how that's going. majority of them are bland bores, where most of the main roster can do the same high flying moves... The Cruiserweight Classic was universally well recieved. Neville was one of the best characters in all of wrestling. Jack Gallagher was super over, they put him in the Royal Rumble and everyone was being entertained by him before the ill advised heel turn. Enzo, like him or not, was a massive character and merch mover. Tozawa was getting his chant over and making Titus Worldwide of all things interesting. Gulak was gold with his Powerpoints. Mustafa Ali, as soon as he was moved to Smackdown, showed the qualities needed to be there. Most weeks, the show puts on some of the best matches around. They have pretty much always had the characters, they have the matches, so basically everything that should matter in wrestling. But they're separated into this ghetto where the general audience doesn't need to watch it or care, so they don't.
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Post by DZ: WF Legacy on Feb 14, 2019 17:39:34 GMT -5
Thank God.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2019 18:04:33 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't think this is a good idea. With the brand split, the WWE have to give more women opportunities. They can't just rely on the Four Horsewomen, Ronda, Asuka and Alexa. But as soon as they were able to use all those women on both shows, you know that's what they'll do. Forget building Mandy or Sonya or Ruby. Forget seeing Kairi Sane or Rhea Ripley eventually becoming big names on the main roster. And currently underused women like Zelina Vega, Liv Morgan and Ember Moon? They might as well start looking for new jobs. The WWE needs to be expanding its women's rosters, not reducing them. They need to be announcing that a women-only PPV will be an annual event (if not more than once per year), and they should be doing that off the back of the that main event match at Wrestlemania. I thought that evolution being a yearly thing was a given since during their usual “LOOK AT ALL THE COOL SHIT WE HAVE IN STORE THIS YEAR” for the network they showed the Evolution logo. But I do agree, if they end the brand split for solely the woman, then forget about most of the underutilized woman getting any sort of spotlight and just being reverted to a Summer Rae or Emma like role.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2019 18:26:13 GMT -5
majority of them are bland bores, where most of the main roster can do the same high flying moves... The Cruiserweight Classic was universally well recieved. Neville was one of the best characters in all of wrestling. Jack Gallagher was super over, they put him in the Royal Rumble and everyone was being entertained by him before the ill advised heel turn. Enzo, like him or not, was a massive character and merch mover. Tozawa was getting his chant over and making Titus Worldwide of all things interesting. Gulak was gold with his Powerpoints. Mustafa Ali, as soon as he was moved to Smackdown, showed the qualities needed to be there. Most weeks, the show puts on some of the best matches around. They have pretty much always had the characters, they have the matches, so basically everything that should matter in wrestling. But they're separated into this ghetto where the general audience doesn't need to watch it or care, so they don't. I’ve always hated weight limit championships. Why should I care about these smaller dudes and their title when Mysterio is a former world champ and Ali is in the chamber this Sunday. Those smaller dudes on 205 feel like they need to step up, Rollins, Styles, Bálor, and Bryan aren’t much bigger than they are. Gone are the WCW where every maineventer was 6’5 and 250 or bigger. It just doesn’t work anymore. With the women it wouldn’t be like that at all. You would have a stacked woman’s roster, with a main championship, tag belt, and maybe one day a mid card belt. Rhonda, Flair, and Becky are a lot more over the 205 guys.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Feb 14, 2019 18:50:54 GMT -5
Those smaller dudes on 205 feel like they need to step up, Rollins, Styles, Bálor, and Bryan aren’t much bigger than they are. Balor's billed at 190lbs, so he's actually a good sight smaller than the guy currently holding the Cruiserweight title. Bryan's billed as 210lbs, but really doesn't look much bigger than 190 either.
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Feb 14, 2019 19:06:21 GMT -5
Is give it a year.. get the belts on Becky and Charlotte for next years Mania
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2019 19:13:52 GMT -5
Wait so are they unifying the title or will one be a mid card?
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 14, 2019 20:24:32 GMT -5
If people really think them ending the Brand Split is gonna help talent, then I hope you remember how it was when the brand split ended the last time, because it was no better.
That being said, I doubt it's going to fully end. For the tag titles I can see it, but I don't see it being any larger than that, because FOX wants Smackdown to be an important thing, and the last time the Brand Split ended, Smackdown became the afterthought of wrestling.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Feb 14, 2019 20:28:26 GMT -5
If people really think them ending the Brand Split is gonna help talent, then I hope you remember how it was when the brand split ended the last time, because it was no better. That being said, I doubt it's going to fully end. For the tag titles I can see it, but I don't see it being any larger than that, because FOX wants Smackdown to be an important thing, and the last time the Brand Split ended, Smackdown became the afterthought of wrestling. Last time they merged, SD just became a lower rank show that most people skipped. Only fun to be had was the taping threads and sandwiches. I think a big moment or two happened like Shield's first loss or something like that to try to get people to watch but not many really did.
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 14, 2019 20:34:29 GMT -5
Yeah, I will remain dubious for now. The Fox move is going to probably make the brand split more concrete than it has been for a while, if only because of travel.
Though, the tag belts going from brand to brand does seem probable, even if the defenses end up happening at PPVs or network specials.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 14, 2019 23:05:39 GMT -5
If people really think them ending the Brand Split is gonna help talent, then I hope you remember how it was when the brand split ended the last time, because it was no better. That being said, I doubt it's going to fully end. For the tag titles I can see it, but I don't see it being any larger than that, because FOX wants Smackdown to be an important thing, and the last time the Brand Split ended, Smackdown became the afterthought of wrestling. Last time they merged, SD just became a lower rank show that most people skipped. Only fun to be had was the taping threads and sandwiches. I think a big moment or two happened like Shield's first loss or something like that to try to get people to watch but not many really did. Which is why I think a full merger is a bad idea. For Tag Teams, I can bite, but a full re-merger will kill Smackdown, and FOX will not be happy, and FOX seems like one of the few entities the WWE are afraid to piss off now.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2019 23:16:50 GMT -5
there's no point of having a cruiserweight belt when Rey, Balor and others are fighting heavyweights
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Feb 14, 2019 23:43:57 GMT -5
Last time they merged, SD just became a lower rank show that most people skipped. Only fun to be had was the taping threads and sandwiches. I think a big moment or two happened like Shield's first loss or something like that to try to get people to watch but not many really did. Which is why I think a full merger is a bad idea. For Tag Teams, I can bite, but a full re-merger will kill Smackdown, and FOX will not be happy, and FOX seems like one of the few entities the WWE are afraid to piss off now. I've said all along that the world titles - men, women, and tag - should be cross-branded, with the midcard titles being the only brand-exclusives. With Brock being Universal champion for most of the last two years it's not like they would have to change much up anyway.
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Post by TheMediocreWarrior on Feb 15, 2019 13:08:05 GMT -5
there's no point of having a cruiserweight belt when Rey, Balor and others are fighting heavyweights I think the biggest piece of evidence that WWE doesn't care about the cruiserweight division, besides always being on the pre-show, is that they brought back Rey Mysterio, and decided not to use his star power to give 205 Live a much needed boost.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Feb 15, 2019 18:25:51 GMT -5
Honestly I think they should just do away with it entirely. Neither show has the roster depth to justify being separate anymore. Which is hilarious really, considering the logjam at all tiers of WWE at the moment, and the amount of people that can't even get on TV.
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Post by MAGGLE on Feb 15, 2019 18:29:20 GMT -5
majority of them are bland bores, where most of the main roster can do the same high flying moves... They have pretty much always had the characters, they have the matches, so basically everything that should matter in wrestling. But they're separated into this ghetto where the general audience doesn't need to watch it or care, so they don't. Character, matches and looks Almost none of them do. There will always be exceptions to that rule, but there is no way that most people will get pass phase 3.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2019 18:30:38 GMT -5
As far as I'm concerned, I'd just put the women exclusive to one brand (likely RAW). Last thing you'd need is a situation like SmackDown from 2002-2008 where they were stuck fighting for no reason and you were given no reason to care for their conflicts since, at the time, the stories were "Who was the lesser of the skanks?"
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Feb 16, 2019 12:00:17 GMT -5
Honestly the top titles in each division should have always been for the company and not for each show. For a company who for time could never be assed to do a half assed job with one tag titlws always were hell bent on keeping two sets of titles for like 5 teams split between the shows
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Feb 16, 2019 12:47:22 GMT -5
the tweet reference states the idea is the women's tag team championship is going to be cross brand at least at first.
The brand split is not going away and the current news is when Smackdown goes on Fox they wanted a stricter one.
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Post by Scooterdust on Feb 16, 2019 12:55:17 GMT -5
I always thought that the women could have their own one hour show, maybe 90 minutes.
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