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Post by Shark on Feb 19, 2019 17:15:05 GMT -5
I don’t think they could pull off the co-winner thing convincingly today because you just know fans in the front row would take videos on their phone of both guys falling to the floor and allow it to be spread across social media for everyone to determine who really hit the floor first. True, but they could just ignore it, didn't something like that happen with Luke Harper and AJ Styles last year or the year before on Smackdown? It was supposed to be like a double elimination but one of them landed shortly before the other did. They also did that with Batista and Undertaker during their cage match. They edited the video to make it seem like they landed at the same time, but you could see on I belive Batista's side of the split screen, Undertaker drop and land first. Bruce Prichard on Something Else to Wrestle With said that when HBK was going to do his near elimination in 95, they filmed an angle of him dangling where you couldn't see his feet just in case he messed up. So they usually have plans in place for this. It's near impossible with camera phones now though.
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Post by Milkman Norm on Feb 19, 2019 19:20:07 GMT -5
True, but they could just ignore it, didn't something like that happen with Luke Harper and AJ Styles last year or the year before on Smackdown? It was supposed to be like a double elimination but one of them landed shortly before the other did. They also did that with Batista and Undertaker during their cage match. They edited the video to make it seem like they landed at the same time, but you could see on I belive Batista's side of the split screen, Undertaker drop and land first. Bruce Prichard on Something Else to Wrestle With said that when HBK was going to do his near elimination in 95, they filmed an angle of him dangling where you couldn't see his feet just in case he messed up. So they usually have plans in place for this. It's near impossible with camera phones now though. That bums me out. I was hoping that they would've been forced to run Davey Boy vs Diesel at Wrestlemania.
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Post by héad.casé on Feb 19, 2019 19:48:13 GMT -5
I always thought it was Bret - Luger was taller, his feet would've touched the floor first. Credit to WWF at the time though. No camera angle they filmed it from showed who really did hit first.
Myself and my friends say that Bret is the true 1997 Rumble winner - Austin was out, all his eliminations were void, they had the Fatal Four Way Battle Royal with the illegally eliminated guys for the Title to settle it, Bret won - so to us, that settled it - Bret Hart was the real winner of the Royal Rumble 1997.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Feb 19, 2019 22:16:36 GMT -5
Since the point of the match is to eliminate the other guy and they hit at the same time. No one won.
Not sure how the last two guys hitting at the same time is supposed to constitute a win for both.
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Post by Eunös ✈ on Feb 20, 2019 4:39:18 GMT -5
Bastion Booger.
Guy was never eliminated.
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Post by Dang! on Feb 20, 2019 7:47:13 GMT -5
In the age of HD camera smartphones they will never EVER have this finish again. They might have spots where guys accidentally hit the floor with both feet, but it's pretty much guaranteed that those will be guys who will get eliminated later anyways. Imagine this finish today and you could clearly see Bret's feet hitting the floor first on HD.
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Post by I'm Team Bayley and Indi on Feb 20, 2019 7:48:05 GMT -5
But who hit the floor first in that Battle Royale between AJ Styles and Luke Harper...
I'm kidding of course, it was clearly AJ by a country mile
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 9:20:06 GMT -5
In the age of HD camera smartphones they will never EVER have this finish again. They might have spots where guys accidentally hit the floor with both feet, but it's pretty much guaranteed that those will be guys who will get eliminated later anyways. Imagine this finish today and you could clearly see Bret's feet hitting the floor first on HD. They could in fact have two guys thrown over the top and land on pancakes, then both of those guys step off the pancakes at the same time. Just saying I would have agreed with your comment a few years ago but now that stepping on a pancake is a viable means of avoiding elimination, it opens up the door to so many Royal Rumble highlight possibilities.
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Post by cabbageboy on Feb 20, 2019 10:21:05 GMT -5
They overthought the Luger situation. In previous eras when the WWF targeted a top guy they would strap the rocket to that guy. If Luger is the pick for the top guy, then push him and put the title on him. The WWF wasn't a "Face chases the heel" type promotion. It was a "Face beats a transition heel champ" territory.
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Post by Dang! on Feb 20, 2019 10:22:31 GMT -5
In the age of HD camera smartphones they will never EVER have this finish again. They might have spots where guys accidentally hit the floor with both feet, but it's pretty much guaranteed that those will be guys who will get eliminated later anyways. Imagine this finish today and you could clearly see Bret's feet hitting the floor first on HD. They could in fact have two guys thrown over the top and land on pancakes, then both of those guys step off the pancakes at the same time. Just saying I would have agreed with your comment a few years ago but now that stepping on a pancake is a viable means of avoiding elimination, it opens up the door to so many Royal Rumble highlight possibilities. What if someone puts a mat on the mat outside? The whole "both feet" thing needs to be ditched. It can apply for escape cage matches meaning that someone has to actually STAND outside instead of just throwing himself from the top of the cage, but in a battle royal scenario it should be: touching the outside with no contact to the ring anymore = elimination, also: not entering the ring within 60 seconds = elimination.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 10:33:10 GMT -5
They could in fact have two guys thrown over the top and land on pancakes, then both of those guys step off the pancakes at the same time. Just saying I would have agreed with your comment a few years ago but now that stepping on a pancake is a viable means of avoiding elimination, it opens up the door to so many Royal Rumble highlight possibilities. What if someone puts a mat on the mat outside? The whole "both feet" thing needs to be ditched. It can apply for escape cage matches meaning that someone has to actually STAND outside instead of just throwing himself from the top of the cage, but in a battle royal scenario it should be: touching the outside with no contact to the ring anymore = elimination, also: not entering the ring within 60 seconds = elimination. My strategy would be to stuff pancakes inside my boots so that my feet are always resting on pancakes, thus I cannot be eliminated unless someone removes my boots to empty them of the pancakes. Given what we've seen in recent years, this is a perfectly viable strategy for the Royal Rumble. Even with your wording, they could land on their back and be touching the ring skirt with one finger and not be eliminated. Everyone knew what the rules of a battle royal were before they abandoned logic for Kofi Kingston. They just need an authority figure to say that when you are thrown over the top and hit the floor that you're out or otherwise we're going to need a manual on what constitutes elimination.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Feb 20, 2019 11:45:43 GMT -5
Considering how Vince made his money, and then on one hand you have Bret Hart and on the other Lex Luger, it really is surprising Vince as able to stop himself from giving Luger a year long run with the belt. Thank God for competition.
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Post by evilone on Feb 20, 2019 11:56:12 GMT -5
Bam Bam doing Ric Flair head stand on turnbuckle was just mad! If anyone has deserved the title on his shoulder during early '90s it was Bam Bam
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Post by evilone on Feb 20, 2019 12:07:46 GMT -5
If you pay close attention you could see Luger's right foot and both of Bret's feet were in perfect sync going down, that's awesome how they pulled out something like that. Unfortunately for Luger it was him who was holding the whole weight going over the top rope and had to lock his elbow on the rope to pull it off but as landing balance sways to his left side you could be assured that his left foot was first to ground on the floor to avoid any injuries. Bret had a soft landing and didn't have to land on his feet at all.
Winner here is the amazing ringside camera guy who filmed it like he had done it dozens of times before. Too bad everyone takes something like that for granted.
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Post by abjordans on Feb 20, 2019 13:14:42 GMT -5
On the Something to Wrestle With episode I thought Bruce said that Luger clearly touched first and they just ran with the planned finish anyway.
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Post by jason1980s on Feb 20, 2019 15:40:01 GMT -5
Bret won. It was absurd that WWE still kept pushing Luger even after the Summerslam 93 debacle. He was clearly less popular than Bret. They couldn't just drop him quickly but they started investing more into Bret just after Survivor Series with the superstar of the year award and putting more effort into a storyline with Bret. No one cared about Kabuki or Tenryu so no one would care about who they were beating up at the Rumble. Owen had a huge hand in setting up Bret for the next level at Royal Rumble.
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Post by horsemen4ever on Feb 20, 2019 17:27:20 GMT -5
As bad as Luger's Summerslam victory celebration was. Just as much was his coin flip celebration which meant he had to win two matches to walk out as champion and wrestle a fresh Yokozuna. Bret wrestling second was an edge.
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Post by Celexa Bliss 54 on Feb 21, 2019 12:33:14 GMT -5
What if someone puts a mat on the mat outside? The whole "both feet" thing needs to be ditched. It can apply for escape cage matches meaning that someone has to actually STAND outside instead of just throwing himself from the top of the cage, but in a battle royal scenario it should be: touching the outside with no contact to the ring anymore = elimination, also: not entering the ring within 60 seconds = elimination. My strategy would be to stuff pancakes inside my boots so that my feet are always resting on pancakes, thus I cannot be eliminated unless someone removes my boots to empty them of the pancakes. Given what we've seen in recent years, this is a perfectly viable strategy for the Royal Rumble. Even with your wording, they could land on their back and be touching the ring skirt with one finger and not be eliminated. Everyone knew what the rules of a battle royal were before they abandoned logic for Kofi Kingston. They just need an authority figure to say that when you are thrown over the top and hit the floor that you're out or otherwise we're going to need a manual on what constitutes elimination. I want a spot where someone gets eliminated, but keeps finding loopholes to stay in, until finally, a bunch of guys stand on the apron, pick him up over the top rope and place him on the floor.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2019 13:32:22 GMT -5
As bad as Luger's Summerslam victory celebration was. Just as much was his coin flip celebration which meant he had to win two matches to walk out as champion and wrestle a fresh Yokozuna. Bret wrestling second was an edge. Luger sold his own punches so it didn't surprise me that he didn't know how to react to losing a coin toss.
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Post by Hit Girl on Feb 21, 2019 15:09:12 GMT -5
Diesel was the star of the 1994 Royal Rumble. A perfect example of booking a guy to look great.
1994 was also Owen Hart's best ever year in WWE. His heel turn at the RR was awesome. He was brilliant at WM. He's the greatest ever King of the Ring, and he should have won the world title at Summerslam, and was so evil at Survivor Series, he even managed to manipulate his own mother to stick it to Bret.
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