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Post by BorneAgain on Mar 5, 2019 19:01:31 GMT -5
I think Routh's problem (and even more Kate Bosworth) is that they felt like young kids playing grown up parts in that Superman movie. Spacey as Luthor however was aces. Anyone else think Superman as a film character is basically scorched earth now? Routh's movie was the best since about 1981, but it wasn't really the hit the studio wanted. What's odd is that it made more worldwide than the previous year's Batman Begins, but it didn't really set anything else up the way Begins brought back the Joker at the very end. I think that is the dilemma with Superman. He's too known in pop culture to really reinvent. With Batman you can go grim and gritty, you can go light and silly like Adam West, but Superman isn't really that sort of deal. Aquaman can be given a modern spin and make a ton of money. Wonder Woman hadn't had decades of lousy movies to sour the public. Maybe if Routh had been allowed to play Clark Kent the way he does Ray Palmer on Legends of Tomorrow it could have worked better. The Atom seems more like Christopher Reeve Superman than the recent Superman portrayals. Honestly I think the best thing for a Superman in film for a while would be of a more shared spotlight ala Clark in the Justice League animated series. Not only did the latter continue his more nuanced and humanized portrayal that began in STAS, it allowed him to contrast with the likes of a Batman and Wonder Woman (in scenes that weren't set pieces at that).
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Mar 5, 2019 20:06:07 GMT -5
I don't think Superman is scorched Earth at all. You can play him as earnest and still bad ass. Evans Captain America is an easy template to follow. Hell, Cavil got to show a little of that in Justice League.
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Post by cabbageboy on Mar 5, 2019 23:13:24 GMT -5
Ah, but Cap hadn't had decades worth of crappy movies weighing him down. Just the one bad 1990 film that no one saw. One problem that they constantly run into with Superman is that they inevitably rehash Luthor as a heel. These people just cannot help themselves. Do another villain.
There's also the Kryptonite issue. You can't get rid of it as his main weakness. It's too ingrained in the culture. It's a bleh plot device since he's basically invincible without it around, but Batman kicked the crap out of him when he had a healthy supply of Kryptonite. Without his powers Clark Kent couldn't even beat up a redneck at a diner in Superman 2.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2019 23:43:01 GMT -5
I'm gonna say Brendan Fraser. Yes, he got a lot of work in the 90's and early 2000's, but only a small portion of those films really tapped into what a great dramatic actor he can be. I bring him up specifically due to his amazing work in DC's Doom Patrol series. He's taken a role many would scoff at, and he's made it this amazing character that takes you on a serious emotional trip. He made me bawl my eyes out in Scrubs...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2019 23:47:22 GMT -5
I really thought Omar Epps was going to be huge after Love and Basketball
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Post by King Boo on Mar 6, 2019 0:01:01 GMT -5
I haven't watched LoT in ages...can I assume they've gone beyond Routh portraying Ray as Tony Stark-lite? I'd say he's nothing like Tony Stark, outside of the tech genius thing. He's more an optimistic, kind-hearted cornball. I'd call him the sweet, moral center of the team.
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