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Post by Johnny B. Decent on Mar 29, 2019 11:55:43 GMT -5
On the subject, we are still defintely sure Jimmy Saville was a pedophile, right?
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Post by Hit Girl on Mar 29, 2019 12:03:41 GMT -5
On the subject, we are still defintely sure Jimmy Saville was a pedophile, right? Yes, it was an open secret among the entertainment industry and the NHS.
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Apr 2, 2019 4:29:31 GMT -5
Came across this. An allegation against Michael Jackson that was investigated and debunked by police and the media.
The accuser in the video seems very credible in what he was saying, much like Wade and James, until he was investigated by the police.
To my previous point, I cannot accept the documentary as the absolute truth just because someone on camera said so.
I wish Oprah had done a similar investigation like this news team before just bandwagoning.
Even then, this piece above looks heavily staged.
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Post by Nr1Humanoid on Apr 2, 2019 5:30:40 GMT -5
No, I haven't.
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Post by The 1Watcher Experience on Apr 2, 2019 6:14:40 GMT -5
Finally a word from the man himself. LANGUAGE WARNING! Yikes! This is probably the most convincing video posted in this entire thread.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Apr 3, 2019 1:15:55 GMT -5
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Apr 3, 2019 1:23:02 GMT -5
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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Apr 3, 2019 1:55:19 GMT -5
Came across this. An allegation against Michael Jackson that was investigated and debunked by police and the media. The accuser in the video seems very credible in what he was saying, much like Wade and James, until he was investigated by the police. To my previous point, I cannot accept the documentary as the absolute truth just because someone on camera said so. I wish Oprah had done a similar investigation like this news team before just bandwagoning. Even then, this piece above looks heavily staged. Muddying the water again? Here are some other facts from a police investigation. Almost all this was found in the master bedroom and bath where he "innocently" entertained young boys overnight. These were NOT locked up in a place where young impressionable coming of age boys couldn't get to them. Book: Boys Will be boys. Art book boys under 14, full frontal nudity. Book: In Search of Young Beauty. Photographs of children. Some nude. Book: The Boy, A Photogrphic Essay - photos boys some nude. Photograph: Nude boy Jonathan Spence Photograph: young boy in bikini bottoms partially pulled down Book: Camp Cove, Photos of Sydney Men Adult men full frontal Book:Scenes D'Interieur Nude and Semi-nude adult women some s+m Book:Dress Up Photobook naked teenage boys Book: The Art of Dave Nestler, Wicked Intentions Nude illustrations female some s+m Book: The Gnoids Genetically Manipulted Nude illustrations extreme s+m Book: Bidgood Erotica Nude young men and teens Barely Legal 2 issues Book: Naked as a Jaybird Graphic erotica Nudes 12 more porn mags unnamed 23 nudists mags unnamed Book: The Chop Suey Club some nudes young adult males Book: The Christy Report a history of porn Book: Robert Maxwell Photographs some nudes of children Book: Bianchi Bob and Rod Nude male couple Book: Before the Hand of Man nude photos young men Book: Taormin Wilhelm Von Gloeden Nude photos teen boys Book: The Golden Age of Neglect photos of teens some nude Book: Room to Play Altered photos of children morphed heads on older bodies to look sexualized. Some nude kids. Book: Man A Sexual Study of Men, Gay photos. Study of masturbation, oral and anal sex 2 dozen more unnamed nudist magazines DVDs: 4 Barely Legals and 1 Pimp's Up - Ho's Down Magazine: The Best of Club adult porn Magazine: Couples adult porn 2 more porn mags 2 more porn dvds ...These items were found in a bag that also had notes passed between Michael and a victim because who doesn't keep there keepsake memories of children in their life with their porn? 7 more porn mags Also a black briefcase in a closet that contained 19 nude female centerfolds and 18 porn mags several with teenage themes which were identified by an accuser and had Michaels fingerprints and those of two accusers. If it was all innocent why did he have material meant to excite men on hand. Why do you have boner bait nearby if you want innocent playtime? What do you think will happen with curious preteen boys around? How is this alone not enough to make people hate the man?
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Apr 3, 2019 12:02:37 GMT -5
Came across this. An allegation against Michael Jackson that was investigated and debunked by police and the media. The accuser in the video seems very credible in what he was saying, much like Wade and James, until he was investigated by the police. To my previous point, I cannot accept the documentary as the absolute truth just because someone on camera said so. I wish Oprah had done a similar investigation like this news team before just bandwagoning. Even then, this piece above looks heavily staged. Muddying the water again? Here are some other facts from a police investigation. Almost all this was found in the master bedroom and bath where he "innocently" entertained young boys overnight. These were NOT locked up in a place where young impressionable coming of age boys couldn't get to them. Book: Boys Will be boys. Art book boys under 14, full frontal nudity. Book: In Search of Young Beauty. Photographs of children. Some nude. Book: The Boy, A Photogrphic Essay - photos boys some nude. Photograph: Nude boy Jonathan Spence Photograph: young boy in bikini bottoms partially pulled down Book: Camp Cove, Photos of Sydney Men Adult men full frontal Book:Scenes D'Interieur Nude and Semi-nude adult women some s+m Book:Dress Up Photobook naked teenage boys Book: The Art of Dave Nestler, Wicked Intentions Nude illustrations female some s+m Book: The Gnoids Genetically Manipulted Nude illustrations extreme s+m Book: Bidgood Erotica Nude young men and teens Barely Legal 2 issues Book: Naked as a Jaybird Graphic erotica Nudes 12 more porn mags unnamed 23 nudists mags unnamed Book: The Chop Suey Club some nudes young adult males Book: The Christy Report a history of porn Book: Robert Maxwell Photographs some nudes of children Book: Bianchi Bob and Rod Nude male couple Book: Before the Hand of Man nude photos young men Book: Taormin Wilhelm Von Gloeden Nude photos teen boys Book: The Golden Age of Neglect photos of teens some nude Book: Room to Play Altered photos of children morphed heads on older bodies to look sexualized. Some nude kids. Book: Man A Sexual Study of Men, Gay photos. Study of masturbation, oral and anal sex 2 dozen more unnamed nudist magazines DVDs: 4 Barely Legals and 1 Pimp's Up - Ho's Down Magazine: The Best of Club adult porn Magazine: Couples adult porn 2 more porn mags 2 more porn dvds ...These items were found in a bag that also had notes passed between Michael and a victim because who doesn't keep there keepsake memories of children in their life with their porn? 7 more porn mags Also a black briefcase in a closet that contained 19 nude female centerfolds and 18 porn mags several with teenage themes which were identified by an accuser and had Michaels fingerprints and those of two accusers. If it was all innocent why did he have material meant to excite men on hand. Why do you have boner bait nearby if you want innocent playtime? What do you think will happen with curious preteen boys around? How is this alone not enough to make people hate the man? If we want to take the conversation in this direction, please feel free to check the public records of all his FBI investigations. vault.fbi.gov/Michael%20JacksonI neither have the time, nor the interest to peruse all of it. Cheers.
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Post by brown bricks on Apr 3, 2019 12:06:31 GMT -5
Came across this. An allegation against Michael Jackson that was investigated and debunked by police and the media. The accuser in the video seems very credible in what he was saying, much like Wade and James, until he was investigated by the police. To my previous point, I cannot accept the documentary as the absolute truth just because someone on camera said so. I wish Oprah had done a similar investigation like this news team before just bandwagoning. Even then, this piece above looks heavily staged. How is this alone not enough to make people hate the man? B-b-b-but... HAVE YOU HEARD THRILLER!?
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Post by Paul on Apr 3, 2019 12:12:25 GMT -5
Muddying the water again? Here are some other facts from a police investigation. Almost all this was found in the master bedroom and bath where he "innocently" entertained young boys overnight. These were NOT locked up in a place where young impressionable coming of age boys couldn't get to them. Book: Boys Will be boys. Art book boys under 14, full frontal nudity. Book: In Search of Young Beauty. Photographs of children. Some nude. Book: The Boy, A Photogrphic Essay - photos boys some nude. Photograph: Nude boy Jonathan Spence Photograph: young boy in bikini bottoms partially pulled down Book: Camp Cove, Photos of Sydney Men Adult men full frontal Book:Scenes D'Interieur Nude and Semi-nude adult women some s+m Book:Dress Up Photobook naked teenage boys Book: The Art of Dave Nestler, Wicked Intentions Nude illustrations female some s+m Book: The Gnoids Genetically Manipulted Nude illustrations extreme s+m Book: Bidgood Erotica Nude young men and teens Barely Legal 2 issues Book: Naked as a Jaybird Graphic erotica Nudes 12 more porn mags unnamed 23 nudists mags unnamed Book: The Chop Suey Club some nudes young adult males Book: The Christy Report a history of porn Book: Robert Maxwell Photographs some nudes of children Book: Bianchi Bob and Rod Nude male couple Book: Before the Hand of Man nude photos young men Book: Taormin Wilhelm Von Gloeden Nude photos teen boys Book: The Golden Age of Neglect photos of teens some nude Book: Room to Play Altered photos of children morphed heads on older bodies to look sexualized. Some nude kids. Book: Man A Sexual Study of Men, Gay photos. Study of masturbation, oral and anal sex 2 dozen more unnamed nudist magazines DVDs: 4 Barely Legals and 1 Pimp's Up - Ho's Down Magazine: The Best of Club adult porn Magazine: Couples adult porn 2 more porn mags 2 more porn dvds ...These items were found in a bag that also had notes passed between Michael and a victim because who doesn't keep there keepsake memories of children in their life with their porn? 7 more porn mags Also a black briefcase in a closet that contained 19 nude female centerfolds and 18 porn mags several with teenage themes which were identified by an accuser and had Michaels fingerprints and those of two accusers. If it was all innocent why did he have material meant to excite men on hand. Why do you have boner bait nearby if you want innocent playtime? What do you think will happen with curious preteen boys around? How is this alone not enough to make people hate the man? If we want to take the conversation in this direction, please feel free to check the public records of all his FBI investigations. vault.fbi.gov/Michael%20JacksonI neither have the time, nor the interest to peruse all of it. Cheers. Also, Dom Sheldon is a cold man- I know because Michael said so.
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Apr 3, 2019 12:38:13 GMT -5
1 Pimp's Up - Ho's Down
Awesome!
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Apr 3, 2019 18:00:37 GMT -5
How is this alone not enough to make people hate the man? B-b-b-but... HAVE YOU HEARD THRILLER!? I mean..billie jean go hard doe
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Post by mcstoklasa on Apr 4, 2019 7:48:19 GMT -5
Also Weinstein doesn't have anything whatever to do with this. Him being a rapist etc is pretty well known given he's facing charges for it. But that has no bearing whatever on whether or not Jackson did anything. That's an odd bit of whataboutism. 'What about Harvey Weinstein?' 'Apparently dude was a monster.' I respectfully disagree. People are saying "what about Harvey Weinstein?" for a number of reasons: 1.) Michael Jackson is dead. Harvey is alive and well. His victims can still get justice. I and many others vaguely know about his crimes, but if it is as bad as has been hinted, why shouldn't he be put on blast just like Bill Cosby, R. Kelly, or Michael Jackson? You know the only major difference is..... 2.) Harvey Weinstein is white and the other dudes are black. This may not be a race issue at all. But, it very well could be. You have to admit that it sends a message when there are documentaries and court cases for the black guys, but people like Woody Allen, Roman Polanski, Harvey Weinstein, and others are not nearly as persecuted in the public eye. By doing this, whether intentional or not, it turns something that may not be a race issue into a definite race issue. If all these allegations are true, each of these guys deserve their legacies to be tarnished and to be lynched publicly. However, it only seems to be happening to the black guys. 3.) There is a conspiracy theory that one of the reasons that this Michael Jackson documentary has happened is to get some of the heat off of Harvey Weinstein. I do not know if it is true or not, but that is the belief. Jackson is more famous and Weinstein is more powerful. Weinstein used his power to have his buddies fast track a documentary about sexual misconduct allegations about a more famous figure to take some of the heat off of him. 4.) We do not know whether or not the MJ allegations are true. People on both sides of the issue believe very passionately one way or the other, but no one knows. Everyone knows that the Weinstein stuff is true. His own company put it into his contract that he was to deal with his own sexual misconduct allegations with his own money. That's a pretty specific clause for a contract. 5.) Oprah. I think that many people feel betrayed by Oprah. She is a powerful influence on her fans. She and Michael Jackson were friends. She and Harvey Weinstein are friends. For her to come out so negatively about Michael and not about Harvey Weinstein rubs a lot of people the wrong way. If she truly cares about justice for victims of sexual assault, as she claims, why has she not had a show about Weinstein? Lots of white guys have gone down for this kind of thing Rolf Harris, Jimmy Saville, Ian Watkins Plus spacey and weinstein
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Apr 4, 2019 14:41:11 GMT -5
Muddying the water again? Here are some other facts from a police investigation. Almost all this was found in the master bedroom and bath where he "innocently" entertained young boys overnight. These were NOT locked up in a place where young impressionable coming of age boys couldn't get to them. Book: Boys Will be boys. Art book boys under 14, full frontal nudity. Book: In Search of Young Beauty. Photographs of children. Some nude. Book: The Boy, A Photogrphic Essay - photos boys some nude. Photograph: Nude boy Jonathan Spence Photograph: young boy in bikini bottoms partially pulled down Book: Camp Cove, Photos of Sydney Men Adult men full frontal Book:Scenes D'Interieur Nude and Semi-nude adult women some s+m Book:Dress Up Photobook naked teenage boys Book: The Art of Dave Nestler, Wicked Intentions Nude illustrations female some s+m Book: The Gnoids Genetically Manipulted Nude illustrations extreme s+m Book: Bidgood Erotica Nude young men and teens Barely Legal 2 issues Book: Naked as a Jaybird Graphic erotica Nudes 12 more porn mags unnamed 23 nudists mags unnamed Book: The Chop Suey Club some nudes young adult males Book: The Christy Report a history of porn Book: Robert Maxwell Photographs some nudes of children Book: Bianchi Bob and Rod Nude male couple Book: Before the Hand of Man nude photos young men Book: Taormin Wilhelm Von Gloeden Nude photos teen boys Book: The Golden Age of Neglect photos of teens some nude Book: Room to Play Altered photos of children morphed heads on older bodies to look sexualized. Some nude kids. Book: Man A Sexual Study of Men, Gay photos. Study of masturbation, oral and anal sex 2 dozen more unnamed nudist magazines DVDs: 4 Barely Legals and 1 Pimp's Up - Ho's Down Magazine: The Best of Club adult porn Magazine: Couples adult porn 2 more porn mags 2 more porn dvds ...These items were found in a bag that also had notes passed between Michael and a victim because who doesn't keep there keepsake memories of children in their life with their porn? 7 more porn mags Also a black briefcase in a closet that contained 19 nude female centerfolds and 18 porn mags several with teenage themes which were identified by an accuser and had Michaels fingerprints and those of two accusers. If it was all innocent why did he have material meant to excite men on hand. Why do you have boner bait nearby if you want innocent playtime? What do you think will happen with curious preteen boys around? How is this alone not enough to make people hate the man? If we want to take the conversation in this direction, please feel free to check the public records of all his FBI investigations. vault.fbi.gov/Michael%20JacksonI neither have the time, nor the interest to peruse all of it. Cheers. They won't check your link. In their mind they already have accepted the narrative and refuse to see anything other than clickbait articles, Oprah, and tabloid sites.
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Post by The Ichi on Apr 4, 2019 15:00:26 GMT -5
Dude, give it a rest.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Apr 4, 2019 15:02:27 GMT -5
Bro, c'mon, ya can't jump on people for clickbait when you're consistently posting some randos YouTube vids.
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Post by Johnny B. Decent on Apr 4, 2019 15:03:53 GMT -5
I think it's fair to say even if MJ was indeed not a pedophile, the dude was a mental case regardless. And it's also fair to say he didn't help things with his actions, whether good-intended or not.
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Post by The Ichi on Apr 4, 2019 15:09:38 GMT -5
I do have a brain, you know. Not agreeing with you and your sources - that, in my opinion, seem a little dubious and convenient for perpetuating confirmation bias - doesn't equate to people being lazy and stupid. Since we're talking sources, here, do you know what really sticks with me? The DA for the Jordan Chandler case stating that Jordan knew specific body markings in specific private places on Michael's body that no one would know by accident. That's not coming from no one connected to the case out of nowhere. It's completely dismissive to hand wave anyone who sees something differently than you as willfully ignorant and blind. It doesn't help you state your case, either. You do realize Jordan's description didn't match right? You have your opinion and I have mine. Obviously your mind is made up and that's okay too. I choose to educate myself on facts and not on salacious clickbait tabloid material. We'll agree to disagree. You sure did that in the R. Kelly thread!
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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Apr 4, 2019 23:59:51 GMT -5
If we want to take the conversation in this direction, please feel free to check the public records of all his FBI investigations. vault.fbi.gov/Michael%20JacksonI neither have the time, nor the interest to peruse all of it. Cheers. They won't check your link. In their mind they already have accepted the narrative and refuse to see anything other than clickbait articles, Oprah, and tabloid sites. Actually I did check the link. It's weird how the question asker never had the time or interest to peruse that 7 partial pages but wants us to watch hours of youtubes of Jackson apologists and excuse makers. Their was so little in those seven pages that I imagine you hoped it would prove your point that the found so little. Luckily for you I do do the research RISEOFSETIAN demands and found this. 344 pages of FBI documents. This is not clickbait or tabloid. www.theblackvault.com/documentarchive/fbi-file-michael-jackson/#But even from just those 7 pages you can learn a lot. For instance I just assumed the Jackson family and circle and apologists were honest about the FBI investigation and this was just another case of FBI failing. Turns out most of what we've heard from the Jackson camp has been lies. Jackson was NOT investigated by the FBI for 10 years. They say this a lot like he was under constant scrutiny and they found nothing. In fact Riseofsetian says as much on page one of this thread. That is not what happened. In fact the FBI NEVER investigated Jackson. The FBI was asked to help and consulted on local investigations. That may sound like nitpicking but their is a huge difference between an investigation being headed by the FBI and one being localized. They were never heading an investigation they were answering to the other departments (mostly local and state agencies of California) leading the investigation. They assisted on 4 different times in a ten year span. Never more than for a few months at a time and usually only specialized departments like the BAU and computer forensics. They say the FBI found nothing. However, in one of those documents the BAU consultant referred his findings to a federal prosecutor. The federal prosecutor for reasons undisclosed decided to not pick it up and leave it to California, it's actually rare that the feds go over states investigations. However, an agent does not refer a case higher up if he doesn't believe it has legs. This was the man in charge of identifying pedophiles by behavior for the FBI. From my link of extensive FBI files I had often seen the CART teams multiple pages of string search = nothing shown in Jackson defense videos. However on one page the string search is redacted. And on another it says string search = nothing except as previously noted. Several pages of descriptions were redacted and 4 cds were made of potential evidence and interestingly enough on page 36 is the administrative review, a wrap up of sorts. CART does NOT close the case even though their job is done here. Then let's look at page 7 of 7 of the original link, not mine. On these pages we learn that Santa Barbara and the BAU flew to New York to interview a potential witness. Never one did they say the witness denies anything. Never once did they say the witness was unreliable or in anyway acquitted Jackson. It says witness refuses to testify and will fight efforts to make them. It says witness believes he had done his part. So why fly out there if there was nothing. There was something and they tried to pressure him into coming forward but he believed telling them was enough to clear his conscience and he did not want to be in the spotlight and after seeing the mud slung at other accusers it's an understandable stance. SO now that I have done my research will one of you Jackson defenders answer just one of these questions? Why do you have boner bait nearby if you want innocent playtime? What do you think will happen with curious preteen boys around? Is this acceptable behavior in general or only for a celebrity?
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