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Post by Hakumental on Mar 13, 2019 16:00:47 GMT -5
Give me the prequels any day. Outside of a few select "so bad it's funny" scenes (and as the fine minds at RLM pointed out, the EXACT moment you see Harrison Ford stop giving a shit about Star Wars), the Holiday Special is agonizingly boring - the kind of boring that leaves you with this sense of hollowness in your soul. I can't even watch it drunk.
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Mar 13, 2019 16:11:16 GMT -5
Anakin - "I killed them all" Padme - "Marry me" Anakin - "The men, women and their children too" Padme - "Impregnate me" Compared to that, I don't mind Grampa Wookiee getting his rocks off by watching holoporn. I need a Padme in my life. The Holiday Special was just a slow bore. Felt like a fever dream that just. wouldn't. end.
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Post by Hit Girl on Mar 13, 2019 16:14:10 GMT -5
Anakin - "I killed them all" Padme - "Marry me" Anakin - "The men, women and their children too" Padme - "Impregnate me" Compared to that, I don't mind Grampa Wookiee getting his rocks off by watching holoporn. I need a Padme in my life. The Holiday Special was just a slow bore. Felt like a fever dream that just. wouldn't. end. Padme will forgive one massacre. She is very understanding.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Mar 13, 2019 19:18:07 GMT -5
The comparison is ludicrous. George Lucas, the guy who invented Jar-Jar, personally hates the Star Wars special. It has musical numbers and Bea Arthur and the villainous threat at the end is defeated by a feint, resulting in the Storm Trooper just falling out of a treehouse. An entire act of it is only spoken in wookie, with no subtitles. This thing is GARBAGE. I know people hate the prequels, but come on. This is like choosing between a stubbed toe and having your leg removed. Yeah I'd rather have neither but if I gotta take one, it's a goddamn easy choice.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Mar 13, 2019 19:44:33 GMT -5
The Holiday Special has a coked-out-of-her-mind Carrie Fisher singing a song to the tune of the Star Wars theme and Harrison Ford in his most "no f***s given" performance ever. It's amusing on that level.
The prequels at least have several excellent battle scenes, a couple of excellent lightsaber fights, really good performances from Ewan McGregor, Ian McDiarmid, and Liam Neeson, and some of John Williams' best work.
I'll give the nod to the prequels being better.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Mar 13, 2019 19:53:50 GMT -5
Padme will forgive one massacre. She is very understanding. She forgave him for the second massacre too. She kept convincing him to come back with her right up until he choked her out. How it should've gone: PADME: They're saying you killed kids... Did you pull that shit again? ANAKIN: I did it so we could be together. PADME: Okay, I'm outta here. *sees Obi Wan on the ramp of her ship*PADME: He's all yours.
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Post by Starshine on Mar 13, 2019 21:12:26 GMT -5
Holiday Special isn't even really 'good bad' it's just really plodding and boring. I guess there's a little novelty in watching grandpa wookie experiencing VR porn, and Leia being coked out of her mind. But those instances are so few and far between when you've got so many forgettable and drawn out skits along a random Jefferson Starship concert added in just to pad the thing out.
Not to say the prequels are good either. But there's still more to appreciate there, at some level.
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Post by The Ichi on Mar 13, 2019 22:16:01 GMT -5
The Holiday Special is obviously worse, but it's much more entertaining.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Mar 13, 2019 22:19:40 GMT -5
The prequels did more damage but the holiday special was so bad it was written out of cannon. And that’s saying something as before the Disney sale EVERYTHING was cannon. Not entirely. before hte prequels came out Lucas did something like the trashing of canon that Disney did. setting up like the 3 tier thing that was in place until Disney took over.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Mar 13, 2019 22:57:01 GMT -5
And that’s saying something as before the Disney sale EVERYTHING was cannon. Not entirely. before hte prequels came out Lucas did something like the trashing of canon that Disney did. setting up like the 3 tier thing that was in place until Disney took over. Yeah, the different levels of canon got pretty unwieldy, so the Disney cull really was needed.
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Post by Mozenrath on Mar 13, 2019 23:04:16 GMT -5
The Holiday Special is a joke that far overstays its welcome. Attack of the Clones is probably the worst Star Wars film to me, but even that one has some merits.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 7:16:31 GMT -5
I can't stand Attack of the Clones but I'd watch it again over the SWHS in a heartbeat. I've never watched the Holiday Special and at this point I probably never will.I've tried. You're better off watching a condensed youtube commentary on it. Several YouTubers I've followed have covered it in a variety of fashions - JonTron, Cinema Snob, I think Nostalgic Critic, RedLetterMedia - and avoided all of them. Don't even want to see it covered in that fashion. I've seen some short clips over the years. Drivel. ......someday I will snap and watch it, and then take in all those reviews. But if I do snap and watch it, I may not like what I am on the other side..
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Mar 14, 2019 7:53:41 GMT -5
The Prequels. The holiday special is like Droids and Ewoks, not great but easy to ignore, while the Prequels, not so much. They explain away mysteries that didn't need explaining and did do in a way that detracted from the series, the force? Space germs. Who is Boba Fett? Glorified Storm Trooper. What was Anakin Skywalker like? Wooden and emo... And so on.
It was everything people hated about the Special editions, made into three movies.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Mar 14, 2019 8:13:05 GMT -5
For all of Phantom Menace's issues, I don't despise it as much as other SW fans do, and Revenge of the Sith has a lot of good in it.
My series low point is Attack Of The Clones. Just a boring mess. The Holiday special at least is so awkward it's funny. Plus it has Jefferson Starship in it.
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Mar 14, 2019 9:29:35 GMT -5
Episode I is the one I least enjoy watching.
The Holiday Special is the definition of so bad it’s good.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Mar 14, 2019 9:58:54 GMT -5
Holiday special. The prequels may've not told their story well, but at least they were part of the story.
Holiday special is just an unnecessary appendix that doesn't fit anywhere and is honestly just bad; not in an unintentional funny way either, just bad.
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Post by Nr1Humanoid on Mar 16, 2019 19:01:16 GMT -5
Natalie Portman > Bea Arthur Unless your gay like me.
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Mar 16, 2019 19:11:30 GMT -5
The music in the prequels was a borderline masterpiece, the music in the Holiday Special was drug fueled madness. Once again I'll let you decide if that's a case for being worse or better Seriously, say what you will about the prequels but the soundtrack alone justifies their existence. Duel of the Fates has got to be one of if not the best songs in the entire franchise's history.
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Post by Cyno on Mar 16, 2019 21:59:26 GMT -5
I can't even call Holiday Special "so bad it's good." The entire time I watched it I was just wondering what the f*** I did to deserve this. I think showing it to prisoners could be considered a violation of the 8th Amendment.
It is also infamous for having the first ever appearance of Boba Fett in that bizarre cartoon short.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Mar 16, 2019 22:17:52 GMT -5
It’s a three horse race to the bottom between Attack of the clones, Last Jedi and the Holiday Special
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