Is it fair to say New Diesel was a World Champion?

[rrg251]

Obviously there's a larger issue at work here than just New Diesel, Glen Jacobs, and Kane. The question is really "If someone wins a championship under a gimmick, does that mean all their previous gimmicks can now be considered champions?" I say yes, but I welcome arguments to the contrary.

[stevec484]

No. Different character

[Stone Coke Miami Watson 🥃]

Then that means that a former cheerleader who moonlighted as a caddy for a Hispanic who was going thru a cultural misidentification phase would also be considered a former world champion

[Dat Dude]

[Push R Truth]

Five Time Five Time Five Time Five Time Five Time World Champion GI Bro SUCKA

[Yamashita Enforcement Division]

Yes. If you are watching historical footage with someone and they see New Diesel for the first time, you are completely correct in telling them that New Diesel is a future world champion. You are being kind of a dick, but you are being technically correct (the best kind of correct). If there is some context other than this that you would refer to saying that New Diesel was a world champion, it still comes off like a dick, but you are correct.

[BorneAgain]

By that logic the New Conquistadors have both been world champions.

[BoomPeriod]

Seven was a WWE tag team champion.

The Crock is a 14 time world champion! What a revelation!

[TGM]

I'd say not but I did read a fun theory a few years back that Diesel was Kane before entering the WWF.

He went in undercover as Diesel and Isaac Yankem to gain intel on Undertaker.

Makes as much sense as anything Kane has ever done 🤷‍♂️

[chronocross]

I'm pretty sure he was presented as a different person who took on that ringname, I don't think they ever referred to him as a former World Champ or fake Razor as a former IC champ.

[Deleted]

Vic Venom was WCW Champion!

[Deleted]

Not when only referring to that character but yes if you are talking about him as Glen Jacobs though let's be honest that barely counts either

[segaz]

Hmm, he was presented as the 'same' Diesel by Jim Ross. So in a sense, yes?

It's like if the Black scorpion won the title, multiple people played as him, but the character would be the one who had held the titles. Even people who think there were two ultimate warriors still attributed all accolades to the character

[I'm Team Bayley and Indi]

Who is a former tag team champion?

[mcstoklasa]

I'm not sure. I'll write to my MP.

[jivesoulbrah]

Deacon Bautista has headlined a Wrestlemania and won the title against the blueblood Hunter Hearst Helmsley.

[bmfjules]

How many cubic tons did Fezzik actually weigh when he challenged Thunderlips for the WWF Title at Wrestlemania III?

[Spider2024]

Mar 21, 2019 7:36:13 GMT -5 BorneAgain said:

By that logic the New Conquistadors have both been world champions.

Weren't the Hardy Boys once under those masks during that storyline? Would that make FOUR Conquistadors champions?

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One of my biggest gripes with wrestling fans is this storyline.

People seem to have selective memories but can I just say that Fake Razor and Fake Diesel were never supposed to be “recasts” or whatever. This is a common misconception. They never said these guys were former Champions, they never implied they were the same guys... quite the opposite infact.

The storyline was Jim Ross was pissed at the company and decided to bring back “Diesel and Razor”... they hyped this all night and when they finally came out, it was supposed to be a “HOW DO YOU LIKE THAT WWE FANS?” kinda thing. It was basically a tactic to get Jim Ross heat.

They constantly referenced the impostors and played up how ridiculous it was on commentary. Vince never tried to recast them, never tried to “move on without the actors” or show Nash/Hall he could have the characters without them or any of that stuff. It was JUST a storyline to get Jim Ross heat.

[The Thread Barbi]

Mar 21, 2019 10:56:24 GMT -5 @negan said:

One of my biggest gripes with wrestling fans is this storyline.

People seem to have selective memories but can I just say that Fake Razor and Fake Diesel were never supposed to be “recasts” or whatever. This is a common misconception. They never said these guys were former Champions, they never implied they were the same guys... quite the opposite infact.

The storyline was Jim Ross was pissed at the company and decided to bring back “Diesel and Razor”... they hyped this all night and when they finally came out, it was supposed to be a “HOW DO YOU LIKE THAT WWE FANS?” kinda thing. It was basically a tactic to get Jim Ross heat.

They constantly referenced the impostors and played up how ridiculous it was on commentary. Vince never tried to recast them, never tried to “move on without the actors” or show Nash/Hall he could have the characters without them or any of that stuff. It was JUST a storyline to get Jim Ross heat.

But when Vince McMahon's attorney Jerry McDewit suggested this just to show up WCW, it became the most Vince thing Vince had done since the last one :-)