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Post by Mr. Zombie on Mar 4, 2007 4:15:20 GMT -5
Was it that? I read on CNN in the report summary a while back that they were absolutely positive that humanity has contributed or is the cause of global warming.
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Post by Jason Todd Grisham on Mar 4, 2007 4:18:18 GMT -5
They may have said that, but it wasn't the detail they had 99% certain, or maybe it was both details I don't know...
Besides, it's mostly policymakers and industrial types writing the report anyway rather than scientists. Read the link.
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Post by Phoenix on Mar 4, 2007 4:23:57 GMT -5
Here is a quote by Top Gear presenter Jeremy Clarkson: A Range Rover, doing 10,000 miles a year, produces less pollution a day then a cow farting(While discussing about "Methane as a global warming agent") So heres the solution to Global Warming: Get the cows on Mylanta. Problem solved. I love the way he thinks. So am i doing my job in helping this by eating hamburgers everyday??
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Mar 4, 2007 4:25:41 GMT -5
Was it that? I read on CNN in the report summary a while back that they were absolutely positive that humanity has contributed or is the cause of global warming. Well, then they're wrong. Global warming is 100% natural. Have humans contributed to it? Yes, most likely? Are we the root cause? Maybe. There's no denying that temperatures are warming up, yet they can't convince it's not part of a natrual cycle...the Earth warms, the Earth cools. Always has, always will. All the hybrid cars and recyled cans won't change that.
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Post by Phoenix on Mar 4, 2007 4:34:45 GMT -5
Was it that? I read on CNN in the report summary a while back that they were absolutely positive that humanity has contributed or is the cause of global warming. Well, then they're wrong. Global warming is 100% natural. Have humans contributed to it? Yes, most likely? Are we the root cause? Maybe. There's no denying that temperatures are warming up, yet they can't convince it's not part of a natrual cycle...the Earth warms, the Earth cools. Always has, always will. All the hybrid cars and recyled cans won't change that. I dunno why but seeing your sig in this thread made me laugh and wake up the GF. Damn she is ma dnow
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Post by chibidiablo on Mar 4, 2007 6:19:42 GMT -5
I do enjoy the warm winters
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Post by Deus Ex Machina on Mar 4, 2007 6:25:07 GMT -5
Was it that? I read on CNN in the report summary a while back that they were absolutely positive that humanity has contributed or is the cause of global warming. Well, then they're wrong. Global warming is 100% natural. Have humans contributed to it? Yes, most likely? Are we the root cause? Maybe. There's no denying that temperatures are warming up, yet they can't convince it's not part of a natrual cycle...the Earth warms, the Earth cools. Always has, always will. All the hybrid cars and recyled cans won't change that. How can human evolution be a part of a natural cycle when it's constantly going forward? It's not like we'll spend a decade riding less cars when the earth cools. People who claim global warming isn't real are deluding themselves because they are afraid of the consequences. It's called austrich syndrome. You don't want to know and you don't want to change, so you put your head in the bush and pretend like it isn't there. To claim the human civilisation has no effect on the planet is ridiculous. Where are the natural cycle of the animals that has become extinct? Where is the natural cycle for the oil that is being drained? These aren't things that magically replenishes themselves. And such is it with the environment in total. We overpopulate this mudball, we spend, we burn, we consume and we heat it up like a barbeque on labor day. Why not accept the problem and try to find a solution, instead of slinging mud at politicians? Like someone said above, we used to have seasons. I live in a nordic land, which used to mean a lot of cold. This year our winter has lasted a whopping 3 weeks. For a country that used to be covered in snow for 4 - 5 months a year when I was a kid, that's a huge change and it's been like that for the last couple of years. Something is definitely wrong. Also, look at who is speaking out against the concept of Global Warming. It's all guys and corporations that have money to lose if tendencies have to change. ExXon were the first corporation to offer huge money to dissprove the U.N. Report. It's shortsighted to not accept this change and believe the earth will just magically heal itself. Yes, volcanoes and cows emit dangerous gasses, but you have to add the gasses that's always been here, with the gasses human civilisation adds. McDonalds have huge amounts of livestock to feed their evergrowing burger empire, which means more cow farts and more CO2 than would naturally be here if we had to forced forth the cow population. Cars, airplanes, powerplants, all things that emit dangerous gasses and aren't here naturally. While the earth may heat and cool, it's like a glass of water. The glass can only hold so much before it overflows. And even after you empty it, the stuff you spilled on the table is still there, unless you wipe it up. And it will only be more and more each time to overflow the glass and don't wipe it up.
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Post by Blindkarevik on Mar 4, 2007 14:36:12 GMT -5
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Mar 4, 2007 15:54:08 GMT -5
Well, then they're wrong. Global warming is 100% natural. Have humans contributed to it? Yes, most likely? Are we the root cause? Maybe. There's no denying that temperatures are warming up, yet they can't convince it's not part of a natrual cycle...the Earth warms, the Earth cools. Always has, always will. All the hybrid cars and recyled cans won't change that. How can human evolution be a part of a natural cycle when it's constantly going forward? It's not like we'll spend a decade riding less cars when the earth cools. People who claim global warming isn't real are deluding themselves because they are afraid of the consequences. It's called austrich syndrome. You don't want to know and you don't want to change, so you put your head in the bush and pretend like it isn't there. To claim the human civilisation has no effect on the planet is ridiculous. Where are the natural cycle of the animals that has become extinct? Where is the natural cycle for the oil that is being drained? These aren't things that magically replenishes themselves. And such is it with the environment in total. We overpopulate this mudball, we spend, we burn, we consume and we heat it up like a barbeque on labor day. Why not accept the problem and try to find a solution, instead of slinging mud at politicians? Like someone said above, we used to have seasons. I live in a nordic land, which used to mean a lot of cold. This year our winter has lasted a whopping 3 weeks. For a country that used to be covered in snow for 4 - 5 months a year when I was a kid, that's a huge change and it's been like that for the last couple of years. Something is definitely wrong. Also, look at who is speaking out against the concept of Global Warming. It's all guys and corporations that have money to lose if tendencies have to change. ExXon were the first corporation to offer huge money to dissprove the U.N. Report. It's shortsighted to not accept this change and believe the earth will just magically heal itself. Yes, volcanoes and cows emit dangerous gasses, but you have to add the gasses that's always been here, with the gasses human civilisation adds. McDonalds have huge amounts of livestock to feed their evergrowing burger empire, which means more cow farts and more CO2 than would naturally be here if we had to forced forth the cow population. Cars, airplanes, powerplants, all things that emit dangerous gasses and aren't here naturally. While the earth may heat and cool, it's like a glass of water. The glass can only hold so much before it overflows. And even after you empty it, the stuff you spilled on the table is still there, unless you wipe it up. And it will only be more and more each time to overflow the glass and don't wipe it up. The Earth was once a ball of molten lava, it's not now. Over the last 4.5 billion years it's been covered in ice (not 100% coverage, but enough you'd call it an ice ball), the Earth heated, the ice melted. The polar ice caps weren't always there, Antartica used to be tropical, there is no reason for anyone to assume it always would be. As far as extinctions go, 99.9% of all the things that ever lived on this planet are gone, they're extinct and we didn't kill them alll. The rates of extinction they have now are clearly just pulled out of their ass, as I've heard figures quotes that say 2 a day, 25 a day and up to 250 per day, which is a huge difference between all those numbers. The Earth can heal itself, and it will. It's been through much, much worse than us as part of it's cycles. The "fixing" global warming is simply more of the arrogant meddling that got us here in the first place, born out of this idea mankind has rule over everything on planet and always will. Mankind is leaving, not the Earth.
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Post by Deus Ex Machina on Mar 4, 2007 16:11:55 GMT -5
How can human evolution be a part of a natural cycle when it's constantly going forward? It's not like we'll spend a decade riding less cars when the earth cools. People who claim global warming isn't real are deluding themselves because they are afraid of the consequences. It's called austrich syndrome. You don't want to know and you don't want to change, so you put your head in the bush and pretend like it isn't there. To claim the human civilisation has no effect on the planet is ridiculous. Where are the natural cycle of the animals that has become extinct? Where is the natural cycle for the oil that is being drained? These aren't things that magically replenishes themselves. And such is it with the environment in total. We overpopulate this mudball, we spend, we burn, we consume and we heat it up like a barbeque on labor day. Why not accept the problem and try to find a solution, instead of slinging mud at politicians? Like someone said above, we used to have seasons. I live in a nordic land, which used to mean a lot of cold. This year our winter has lasted a whopping 3 weeks. For a country that used to be covered in snow for 4 - 5 months a year when I was a kid, that's a huge change and it's been like that for the last couple of years. Something is definitely wrong. Also, look at who is speaking out against the concept of Global Warming. It's all guys and corporations that have money to lose if tendencies have to change. ExXon were the first corporation to offer huge money to dissprove the U.N. Report. It's shortsighted to not accept this change and believe the earth will just magically heal itself. Yes, volcanoes and cows emit dangerous gasses, but you have to add the gasses that's always been here, with the gasses human civilisation adds. McDonalds have huge amounts of livestock to feed their evergrowing burger empire, which means more cow farts and more CO2 than would naturally be here if we had to forced forth the cow population. Cars, airplanes, powerplants, all things that emit dangerous gasses and aren't here naturally. While the earth may heat and cool, it's like a glass of water. The glass can only hold so much before it overflows. And even after you empty it, the stuff you spilled on the table is still there, unless you wipe it up. And it will only be more and more each time to overflow the glass and don't wipe it up. The Earth was once a ball of molten lava, it's not now. Over the last 4.5 billion years it's been covered in ice (not 100% coverage, but enough you'd call it an ice ball), the Earth heated, the ice melted. The polar ice caps weren't always there, Antartica used to be tropical, there is no reason for anyone to assume it always would be. As far as extinctions go, 99.9% of all the things that ever lived on this planet are gone, they're extinct and we didn't kill them alll. The rates of extinction they have now are clearly just pulled out of their ass, as I've heard figures quotes that say 2 a day, 25 a day and up to 250 per day, which is a huge difference between all those numbers. The Earth can heal itself, and it will. It's been through much, much worse than us as part of it's cycles. The "fixing" global warming is simply more of the arrogant meddling that got us here in the first place, born out of this idea mankind has rule over everything on planet and always will. Mankind is leaving, not the Earth. What, pray tell, have the earth healed itself from that compare to nuclear bombs and power plants?
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Post by 'Foretold' Joker on Mar 4, 2007 16:17:02 GMT -5
We don't have the records to really know how the earth works. So to say we are the root cause of a slight temperature increase is absurd.
Not long ago scientists were claiming the earth was going to suffer from global cooling. Now it's going the other way. It's pure arrognace from mankind to think we have some control over this we don't.
For all we know the earth's orbit may have moved it slightly nearer the sun, or a solar flare has just reached us that has made things a tad hotter. Scientists frankly don't have enough data and I'm not buying the Ice Core drilling as a be all and end all for facts.
Theoretically the earth must have been hotter in the past when the dinosaurs were around as they were cold blooded. (No true factual evidence for that, but they are giant lizards.) Indeed it only makes sense that the earth is warming up as an Ice Age has only (in terms of the earth's life span) just ended.
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Post by Deus Ex Machina on Mar 4, 2007 16:50:03 GMT -5
We don't have the records to really know how the earth works. So to say we are the root cause of a slight temperature increase is absurd. Not long ago scientists were claiming the earth was going to suffer from global cooling. Now it's going the other way. It's pure arrognace from mankind to think we have some control over this we don't. For all we know the earth's orbit may have moved it slightly nearer the sun, or a solar flare has just reached us that has made things a tad hotter. Scientists frankly don't have enough data and I'm not buying the Ice Core drilling as a be all and end all for facts. Theoretically the earth must have been hotter in the past when the dinosaurs were around as they were cold blooded. (No true factual evidence for that, but they are giant lizards.) Indeed it only makes sense that the earth is warming up as an Ice Age has only (in terms of the earth's life span) just ended. So we should just keep making a mess and when it blows up in our face and we all die, we can say "Well, we didn't know, even if scientists warned us. They didn't have enough data." We are polluting in a way that the earth have not done and have not been able to do without human evolution. Like every child should learn, we should clean up after us selves. It's just good manners.
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Post by 'Foretold' Joker on Mar 4, 2007 17:04:36 GMT -5
We don't have the records to really know how the earth works. So to say we are the root cause of a slight temperature increase is absurd. Not long ago scientists were claiming the earth was going to suffer from global cooling. Now it's going the other way. It's pure arrognace from mankind to think we have some control over this we don't. For all we know the earth's orbit may have moved it slightly nearer the sun, or a solar flare has just reached us that has made things a tad hotter. Scientists frankly don't have enough data and I'm not buying the Ice Core drilling as a be all and end all for facts. Theoretically the earth must have been hotter in the past when the dinosaurs were around as they were cold blooded. (No true factual evidence for that, but they are giant lizards.) Indeed it only makes sense that the earth is warming up as an Ice Age has only (in terms of the earth's life span) just ended. So we should just keep making a mess and when it blows up in our face and we all die, we can say "Well, we didn't know, even if scientists warned us. They didn't have enough data." We are polluting in a way that the earth have not done and have not been able to do without human evolution. Like every child should learn, we should clean up after us selves. It's just good manners. Some scientists have pointed out that all the planets in the solar system are recording a slight increase in temperature recently, some worse than the Earth's. If that's the case then it has nothing to do with what we are doing and is probably the sun going through a hotter than average cycle. The earth goes through cycles of higher and lower temperatures, so the assumption would be that the sun does too. All I'm saying is Global warming to me appears to be an alarmist reaction by the media who don't have anything better to write about. Much like Global Cooling in the 70s created a similar media interest..
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Mar 4, 2007 17:19:47 GMT -5
I will say this; it is a hard topic to discuss because science says do nothing about it and be damned. Reality says do something about it and hurt a lot of people in the process and be damned. Something can be done, but careful planning and moderation are needed. Sadly, with everyone involved it is either their way or the highway. This is one of those topics that needs to be a compromise, not an agenda.
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Post by tommyvercetti on Mar 4, 2007 17:25:55 GMT -5
You know..global warming or no global warming , it's still beneficial to cut air pollution and the dependency on non renewable resources.
I personally believe that when 90% of the world's scientists agree on something that it's a good chance their is some truth to it.
Also..most scientists do bring up the contrary evidence that people here bring up..but even including that their is good evidence human activity has played at least a part in climate change.
But still...having clean air and renewable resources is a good idea with or without this topic.
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Post by Blindkarevik on Mar 4, 2007 18:12:20 GMT -5
Lock it
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Post by Doomrider on Mar 4, 2007 18:56:48 GMT -5
I'd give my opinion, but I'm too busy standing outside spraying Lysol cans directly into the air with a tin foil hat on.
HOO-WAH!!!
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Mar 4, 2007 19:00:54 GMT -5
Did you notice Deus amongst other staffers has posted here? It has been pretty civil, so why lock it?
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Post by RedSmile on Mar 4, 2007 19:21:38 GMT -5
I think it is irresponsible to pollute the planet we live upon, and say that it will take care of itself.
The planet will take care of itself by becoming unable to sustain life. Thats why we as a species should take care of it.
There is always the arguement, that all things end, and that is most likely true. However, that gives no excuse for mankind to be lazy and irresponsible. Especially when the survival of our species may depend on it. Is that something to take a chance with?
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Post by amsiraK on Mar 4, 2007 19:29:22 GMT -5
See? This can be a civil discussion.
And I think that we do need to be better custodians of our planet. But I don't know how much we've contributed to whatever warming has gone on. We've been warming up since the last ice age. It's not like we've jumped 100 degrees in the past few decades.
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