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Post by Mister Pigwell on Apr 8, 2019 13:37:38 GMT -5
Judge granted protection from the loon to a security guard in addition to Bret. Wonder whatever happened there if that's how he made it to the ring in the first place, or if he was making threats when being dragged out until Dash got him.
I'd love to know specifics on what happened with the WWE security guard guy.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Apr 8, 2019 13:44:08 GMT -5
That testimony.
Lock this dude up till he's too old to hurt anyone ever again. He's a danger to society.
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Post by James Fabiano on Apr 8, 2019 13:53:25 GMT -5
I will sound melodramatic here, but...I consider this a terror attack. yes I went there...think about it: what this guy did was a typical terrorist move: target the most vulnerable in an attempt to cause permanent damage and fear. Affecting people with nothing to do with an agenda they have, to push that agenda.
And I do think this guy was out to cripple, or worse. And he was "lucky" enough to have a man vulnerable enough to accomplish that, and I think if it got that bad, he'd feel it would make him more famous (see: Oswald, L.H.; Chapman, M.D.) Why not go after a healthy man? Cause he knew he could get what he wanted by attacking a vulnerable one.
That they're letting him walk shouldn't surprise me right now...we're pretty much the "slap on the wrist" country. Have been for quite some time, even certain other headlines recently prove this.
And I still say the HOF should be brought back to how it was presented in 2004, the gold standard IMO. It started going downhill* when they gave the fans an outlet to get themselves over during the event, just like any other show. Can't we just have a quiet, respectful ceremony where people don't outchant one another or outchant the wrestlers. and well, where things like this happen?
* - there's also the other tropes that fell into place in the years after, but this isn't the time to discuss those.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2019 14:03:18 GMT -5
Honestly I've seen this perspective a lot and I'm really resentful of the, "We should completely stop allowing fans to the Hall of Fame," viewpoint on this. This is the fault of this one idiot for doing this and of security for allowing it to happen. I don't see any reason to punish normal fans over it and, honestly, probably punishing the talent while at it since I'm sure a lot of them really enjoy having this chance to have fans lavish love on them one more time.
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Post by lionheart21 on Apr 8, 2019 14:26:14 GMT -5
Honestly I've seen this perspective a lot and I'm really resentful of the, "We should completely stop allowing fans to the Hall of Fame," viewpoint on this. This is the fault of this one idiot for doing this and of security for allowing it to happen. I don't see any reason to punish normal fans over it and, honestly, probably punishing the talent while at it since I'm sure a lot of them really enjoy having this chance to have fans lavish love on them one more time. Yeah, even though that was my initial reaction as well, you're right. It'd be a state of punishing the many for the sins of one.
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Apr 8, 2019 14:28:48 GMT -5
So did he knock out the security guy on the way to the ring after jumping the guardrail?
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Post by The 1Watcher Experience on Apr 8, 2019 14:30:39 GMT -5
I’d posted earlier in this thread that I figured this goof just saw an opening to get in the ring and he took it. He’s obviously a very disturbed individual but I don’t believe he went there with the intention of seriously hurting anyone. It wasn’t like he had a weapon on him, thankfully. I read that he had tickets to Mania. He comes off like one of those clowns that thinks he can run into the ring for whatever reason. I’ll never understand why people think that’s something they can do without consequences. There’s enough footage out there of wrestlers kicking the crap out of fans that have tried. This moron took it a step further and tackled Bret Hart at a public speaking event. Total dumbass move. And for what purpose? For attention? Because he had some MMA experience and figured he’d try to see if he could take down wrestling legend Bret Hart? Enjoy those assault and trespassing charges and most likely a permanent ban from any and all WWE shows.
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Post by eJm on Apr 8, 2019 14:58:41 GMT -5
WWE loves running both Barclays Center and Prudential Center in Newark, NJ over MSG. One scumbag from Nebraska isn't going to ruin that when that's something that could've happened anywhere. And it's not like the piss-poor security was Barclays' fault, either. Also, I don't blame a single person who didn't go up there, especially if they're not used to handling crisis situations. Like I said in my earlier post, you don't know if the guy had a weapon or not and not everyone is going to have the "jump to action" instant reaction to that sorta thing. Praise the people who did take action and handled the douche before he could do worse, but don't knock the people who didn't or weren't able to.
Also, for the right of everyone who did jump in (and they really did), if there was stronger security at the event they wouldn’t and shouldn’t have needed to. Honestly, that’s a bigger case for the problems with New York and New Jersey than anything else.
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Post by Paul on Apr 8, 2019 15:13:50 GMT -5
I’d posted earlier in this thread that I figured this goof just saw an opening to get in the ring and he took it. He’s obviously a very disturbed individual but I don’t believe he went there with the intention of seriously hurting anyone. It wasn’t like he had a weapon on him, thankfully. I read that he had tickets to Mania. He comes off like one of those clowns that thinks he can run into the ring for whatever reason. I’ll never understand why people think that’s something they can do without consequences. There’s enough footage out there of wrestlers kicking the crap out of fans that have tried. This moron took it a step further and tackled Bret Hart at a public speaking event. Total dumbass move. And for what purpose? For attention? Because he had some MMA experience and figured he’d try to see if he could take down wrestling legend Bret Hart? Enjoy those assault and trespassing charges and most likely a permanent ban from any and all WWE shows. Clearly the guy doesn't have a strong grip on reality. You and I know it's a Very Bad Idea to ump the guard rail and try to get into the ring (at an event or the Hall Of Fame) for a lot of reasons. He obviously doesn't think like that. He is obsessed with WWE to the point where it clouds whatever good judgement he might have had left.
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Post by Thunderbolt on Apr 8, 2019 16:30:23 GMT -5
You guys don't GET IT.
This wasn't an assault. It wasn't a tackle, it was a RUNNING HUG. Like millions of women who have been brought to tears by a Bret Hart match(and subsequently thrown themselves at him), this fella fell in love with the Hitman and just couldn't hold it in any more. Hence the "It just felt like the right moment" line.
He doesn't need a beating, he needs the excellently executed love of Bret Hart.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Apr 8, 2019 16:40:46 GMT -5
More than anything else, I just can't understand the thought processes of people who jump the rail (or whatever barrier) at events and think it's going to go anything but poorly for them.
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Post by RedDevil on Apr 8, 2019 17:08:40 GMT -5
I’d posted earlier in this thread that I figured this goof just saw an opening to get in the ring and he took it. He’s obviously a very disturbed individual but I don’t believe he went there with the intention of seriously hurting anyone. It wasn’t like he had a weapon on him, thankfully. I read that he had tickets to Mania. He comes off like one of those clowns that thinks he can run into the ring for whatever reason. I’ll never understand why people think that’s something they can do without consequences. There’s enough footage out there of wrestlers kicking the crap out of fans that have tried. This moron took it a step further and tackled Bret Hart at a public speaking event. Total dumbass move. And for what purpose? For attention? Because he had some MMA experience and figured he’d try to see if he could take down wrestling legend Bret Hart? Enjoy those assault and trespassing charges and most likely a permanent ban from any and all WWE shows. The more I hear about this guy, the more I think he intended to do some serious damage here - I'd be amazed if he didn't know how fragile Bret is these days, and how easily something physical could end very, very badly. Bret was the biggest name being inducted along with DX, so maybe he was just looking for maximum attention so targeted Bret but didn't intend him any actual harm, but I can't shake this feeling that he targeted Bret due to his fragility in order to do something truly evil and make his name famous forever more - Mark Chapman-like. He wouldn't have needed a weapon to do Bret some serious damage. If I was dealing with this matter, I'd seriously be considering if there are grounds for more serious charges related to exactly what his intention was in attacking a 61 year old world-famous man with a history of severe concussions, stroke and cancer during an internationally broadcast event.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Apr 8, 2019 17:16:16 GMT -5
I’d posted earlier in this thread that I figured this goof just saw an opening to get in the ring and he took it. He’s obviously a very disturbed individual but I don’t believe he went there with the intention of seriously hurting anyone. This part I have trouble believing given that he has outstanding cases against him involving stalking and threatening another MMA trainee, then violating a protective order against him. It doesn't paint a picture that speaks to hapless, harmless innocence at all. We're definitely on the same page about him being disturbed, but nah there was an intent for a something there.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2019 17:16:19 GMT -5
This guy needs to be locked up. He's a problem to society. We've seen these cases before. Get him now.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Apr 8, 2019 17:18:18 GMT -5
Judge granted protection from the loon to a security guard in addition to Bret. Wonder whatever happened there if that's how he made it to the ring in the first place, or if he was making threats when being dragged out until Dash got him. I'd love to know specifics on what happened with the WWE security guard guy. Not a lawyer, but if I have it right, this is somewhat customary in assault cases of this nature. The security guard is likely either arena-employed or outside-employed, not an actual WWE paychecker, so he/she was included in it. Everyone else involved were WWE personnel, and WWE likely gave a "nah, we're good" response to any of theirs being put on the list for the protection order.
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Post by Cyno on Apr 8, 2019 17:28:33 GMT -5
I’d posted earlier in this thread that I figured this goof just saw an opening to get in the ring and he took it. He’s obviously a very disturbed individual but I don’t believe he went there with the intention of seriously hurting anyone. It wasn’t like he had a weapon on him, thankfully. I read that he had tickets to Mania. He comes off like one of those clowns that thinks he can run into the ring for whatever reason. I’ll never understand why people think that’s something they can do without consequences. There’s enough footage out there of wrestlers kicking the crap out of fans that have tried. This moron took it a step further and tackled Bret Hart at a public speaking event. Total dumbass move. And for what purpose? For attention? Because he had some MMA experience and figured he’d try to see if he could take down wrestling legend Bret Hart? Enjoy those assault and trespassing charges and most likely a permanent ban from any and all WWE shows. Looking at his prior incidents and social media history, nah son. This is not some overzealous fan with a loose grip on reality who let the moment get the better of him. This is a violent scumbag who intended harm.
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Post by The 1Watcher Experience on Apr 8, 2019 17:38:38 GMT -5
I’d posted earlier in this thread that I figured this goof just saw an opening to get in the ring and he took it. He’s obviously a very disturbed individual but I don’t believe he went there with the intention of seriously hurting anyone. It wasn’t like he had a weapon on him, thankfully. I read that he had tickets to Mania. He comes off like one of those clowns that thinks he can run into the ring for whatever reason. I’ll never understand why people think that’s something they can do without consequences. There’s enough footage out there of wrestlers kicking the crap out of fans that have tried. This moron took it a step further and tackled Bret Hart at a public speaking event. Total dumbass move. And for what purpose? For attention? Because he had some MMA experience and figured he’d try to see if he could take down wrestling legend Bret Hart? Enjoy those assault and trespassing charges and most likely a permanent ban from any and all WWE shows. The more I hear about this guy, the more I think he intended to do some serious damage here - I'd be amazed if he didn't know how fragile Bret is these days, and how easily something physical could end very, very badly. Bret was the biggest name being inducted along with DX, so maybe he was just looking for maximum attention so targeted Bret but didn't intend him any actual harm, but I can't shake this feeling that he targeted Bret due to his fragility in order to do something truly evil and make his name famous forever more - Mark Chapman-like. He wouldn't have needed a weapon to do Bret some serious damage. If I was dealing with this matter, I'd seriously be considering if there are grounds for more serious charges related to exactly what his intention was in attacking a 61 year old world-famous man with a history of serve concussions, stroke and cancer during an internationally broadcast event. I don’t buy it. He had to know he was going to be stopped in a matter of seconds. He knew he only had so much time. He even says that he saw an opening and he took it. He got behind Bret, waist locked him and fell with him. If he was looking to seriously hurt him he would’ve went for his head. He also had tickets to Mania. He had to realize planning something like this would’ve made it impossible for him to attend the show. That’s a wasted expense. I don’t believe he planned it at all. I think that’s giving him way too much credit. I don’t think we’re dealing with an assassin or some criminal mastermind here. He’s a disturbed, violent dumbass. There have been plenty of idiots that have tried to get into a wrestling ring. Most never get the chance to make contact. There are too many eyes in different directions once they get there. They’re dealt with quickly. This guy managed it because no one expected it and the two people in the ring had their backs turned to him while giving a speech.
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Post by Starshine on Apr 8, 2019 18:04:56 GMT -5
This guy needs help. Like, he should be locked up in a psyche ward, cause he's obviously dangerous. But reading everything this guy says, and his social media stuff. He's obviously living in some fantasy land.
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Post by thetower52 on Apr 8, 2019 18:05:15 GMT -5
This jack off is 100 percent going to do something like this shit again.
Cops might want to check this lunatics house for body’s
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Post by Nickybojelais on Apr 8, 2019 18:07:33 GMT -5
I seriously hope that guy gets some help before he does something very serious to somebody. This looks like it goes way beyond an "exuberant fan" getting too excited.
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