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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 17:46:50 GMT -5
A big trope is wrestlers (usually men but sometimes women) being perceived as weak for tapping out. Long struggles in submission holds happen in other promotions, but it usually isn't humiliating to tap. Did that start with Austin at Wrestlemania 13? I can't remember it being a big issue prior to that, although maybe that's just because Bret was one of the few guys with a submission finisher. I think that was around the same time that they starting using the tap out as a signal for someone submitting too. I always thought that was due to the UFC/Ken Shamrock influence. Tapping out in pro wrestling started with Taz in ECW, it had nothing to do with Ken Shamrock.
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Post by Prince Petty on Apr 23, 2019 17:57:15 GMT -5
Did that start with Austin at Wrestlemania 13? I can't remember it being a big issue prior to that, although maybe that's just because Bret was one of the few guys with a submission finisher. I think that was around the same time that they starting using the tap out as a signal for someone submitting too. I always thought that was due to the UFC/Ken Shamrock influence. Tapping out in pro wrestling started with Taz in ECW, it had nothing to do with Ken Shamrock. I don't think tapping out in ECW had much to do with the WWF adopting it, though. I was interested in when the WWF started doing it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 18:06:06 GMT -5
Tapping out in pro wrestling started with Taz in ECW, it had nothing to do with Ken Shamrock. I don't think tapping out in ECW had much to do with the WWF adopting it, though. That entire period of time was WWF copying ECW.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Apr 24, 2019 15:16:16 GMT -5
It's not hugely specific, but WWE occasionally thinks of an original spot (or rips off an indie promotion's original spot) and then everyone is doing it. Most recent example I can think of is ducking a chop so that your opponent hits the post, which I've seen in loads of places since Ronda did it in January, including MLW.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Apr 24, 2019 15:21:01 GMT -5
A big trope is wrestlers (usually men but sometimes women) being perceived as weak for tapping out. Long struggles in submission holds happen in other promotions, but it usually isn't humiliating to tap. Yep. WWE has pushed the narrative for a long long time that with very rare exceptions, top babyfaces don't tap out. The trade off is that when they actually DO have a babyface tap clean, they look like a geek because they've told their audiences that real babyfaces shouldn't tap. But, you also can't break up that narrative without normalizing faces tapping out clean. To do that, you gotta tap out some top faces. But again, because of the narrative that currently exists, you then make those faces look like geeks. It's a tough cycle to break.
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Post by mrtumoursmisery on Apr 24, 2019 16:44:03 GMT -5
Tapping out in pro wrestling started with Taz in ECW, it had nothing to do with Ken Shamrock. I don't think tapping out in ECW had much to do with the WWF adopting it, though. I was interested in when the WWF started doing it. Tapping out absolutely didn't start in the WWF until Ken Shamrock arrived.
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