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Post by HMARK Center on Apr 21, 2019 14:08:37 GMT -5
Since 2001 WWE has had its run of the "mainstream" of North American pro wrestling, the only big game in town outside of a small window where TNA gave them a bit of a push before imploding on itself. During that time, many argue that WWE entered into a sort of repetitive show format: a stage layout that hasn't really changed much, show-opening promos, coming off like there's no set card before the show begins, heavy emphasis on authority figures, backstage "invisible cameraman" skits instead of promos, certain camerawork and other aesthetic/stylistic choices, etc.
Now we're about to begin what could be a new era in North American wrestling: as WWE's viewership has slipped, various smaller companies have generated buzz, the international scene is growing in the NA market, and AEW is approaching as the first real large-scale alternative since WCW's closure.
However, that's still nearly two decades of WWE being far and away the most visible wrestling show in this part of the world, so I wonder: has WWE created tropes and expectations of "mainstream" wrestling shows that any other companies looking to hit it big will feel compelled to copy, even if they're things that a lot of fans complain about? Or will you expect to see/hear them because you're used to WWE, and will feel surprised if they're not present?
I'm thinking about how even when I see something as fun or silly as people writing promos in an e-fed group, you'll often read them in a voice that sounds like the usual WWE-style promo; you know, the certain inflection, emphasis on certain words, how the crowd is referred to, etc. I think there's some interesting ways that these things can be subverted or sidestepped or used to highlight differences between a new promotion like AEW and WWE, but just curious what you guys think.
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Post by Cyno on Apr 21, 2019 14:48:07 GMT -5
I think an authority figure is almost a given. AEW or other shows might not make them as prominent as WWE does with the McMahons or GM's, but it's been widely used in other promotions, like when WCW had Bischoff or Russo, TNA had Jeff Jarrett or Dixie Carter. Hell, even ECW had Paul Heyman and Hulkamania Era WWF had Jack Tunney.
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Post by Prince Petty on Apr 21, 2019 14:52:04 GMT -5
Definitely the WWE promo quirks - the cadence, the common phrases, the hammering of catchphrases. It's so ingrained now that anyone who doesn't speak like that seems off, and initially comes off as a bad promo.
The 'tag team breaks up and feuds' thing feels like the inevitable end game for any team, regardless of how similar they are to one another. It's sad, when you think of those tag teams of yesteryear that were together for their entire career. Can anyone imagine the Rock 'n' Roll Express breaking up because Robert Gibson turned on Ricky Morton? It would have happened if they were wrestling in the WWE.
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Post by CeilingFan on Apr 21, 2019 15:04:25 GMT -5
Definitely the WWE promo quirks - the cadence, the common phrases, the hammering of catchphrases. It's so ingrained now that anyone who doesn't speak like that seems off, and initially comes off as a bad promo. The 'tag team breaks up and feuds' thing feels like the inevitable end game for any team, regardless of how similar they are to one another. It's sad, when you think of those tag teams of yesteryear that were together for their entire career. Can anyone imagine the Rock 'n' Roll Express breaking up because Robert Gibson turned on Ricky Morton? It would have happened if they were wrestling in the WWE. Morton turned on Gibson in 1991. |
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Post by Prince Petty on Apr 21, 2019 15:08:57 GMT -5
Definitely the WWE promo quirks - the cadence, the common phrases, the hammering of catchphrases. It's so ingrained now that anyone who doesn't speak like that seems off, and initially comes off as a bad promo. The 'tag team breaks up and feuds' thing feels like the inevitable end game for any team, regardless of how similar they are to one another. It's sad, when you think of those tag teams of yesteryear that were together for their entire career. Can anyone imagine the Rock 'n' Roll Express breaking up because Robert Gibson turned on Ricky Morton? It would have happened if they were wrestling in the WWE. Morton turned on Gibson in 1991. Okay then, early WCW was dumb as well. Looking up their history, they apparently reunited the following year, in SMW |
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Post by HMARK Center on Apr 22, 2019 9:21:05 GMT -5
Definitely the WWE promo quirks - the cadence, the common phrases, the hammering of catchphrases. It's so ingrained now that anyone who doesn't speak like that seems off, and initially comes off as a bad promo. The 'tag team breaks up and feuds' thing feels like the inevitable end game for any team, regardless of how similar they are to one another. It's sad, when you think of those tag teams of yesteryear that were together for their entire career. Can anyone imagine the Rock 'n' Roll Express breaking up because Robert Gibson turned on Ricky Morton? It would have happened if they were wrestling in the WWE. The promo stuff sticks out to me as something that'll be tough for a lot of people to look past; I really don't like the WWE promo style, but it's so ingrained at this stage that you can basically read anything in its cadence. |
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Apr 22, 2019 10:14:12 GMT -5
Max Landis the director of Wrestling isn’t Wrestling explained it.
WWE is basically The Muppets, it’s a show that everything goes wrong and the authority figure haphazardly tries to fix it but ends up making it worse.
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Post by Squirrel Master on Apr 22, 2019 18:36:01 GMT -5
Definitely the WWE promo quirks - the cadence, the common phrases, the hammering of catchphrases. It's so ingrained now that anyone who doesn't speak like that seems off, and initially comes off as a bad promo. The 'tag team breaks up and feuds' thing feels like the inevitable end game for any team, regardless of how similar they are to one another. It's sad, when you think of those tag teams of yesteryear that were together for their entire career. Can anyone imagine the Rock 'n' Roll Express breaking up because Robert Gibson turned on Ricky Morton? It would have happened if they were wrestling in the WWE. Morton turned on Gibson in 1991. Off-topic, but their GAB '91 match was the drizzling shits. |
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Post by romanstylesiii on Apr 22, 2019 18:59:02 GMT -5
"the fact of the matter is"
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Post by King Devitt on Apr 22, 2019 20:30:57 GMT -5
Vince-speak.
You know, phrasing or words that no one else on this planet would use normally, but Mr. insecure guy who needs to sound more intelligent than he clearly is does it all the time.
So for now I'm holding this thread in abeyance.
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Post by romanstylesiii on Apr 22, 2019 21:19:03 GMT -5
Vince-speak. You know, phrasing or words that no one else on this planet would use normally, but Mr. insecure guy who needs to sound more intelligent than he clearly is does it all the time. So for now I'm holding this thread in abeyance. Vince's vernacular is extremely out of date, and is much closer to how people spoke in the 1950's rather than 2019. It's also made up with words that have never been common phrases, so yeah...THIS. 100% THIS |
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Post by Dub H on Apr 22, 2019 21:21:07 GMT -5
is the overuse of "hot tag" a wwe thing?
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Post by The Foreigner™ in Playoff Mode on Apr 23, 2019 4:12:36 GMT -5
A big trope is wrestlers (usually men but sometimes women) being perceived as weak for tapping out. Long struggles in submission holds happen in other promotions, but it usually isn't humiliating to tap.
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Post by Prince Petty on Apr 23, 2019 8:19:02 GMT -5
A big trope is wrestlers (usually men but sometimes women) being perceived as weak for tapping out. Long struggles in submission holds happen in other promotions, but it usually isn't humiliating to tap. Did that start with Austin at Wrestlemania 13? I can't remember it being a big issue prior to that, although maybe that's just because Bret was one of the few guys with a submission finisher. I think that was around the same time that they starting using the tap out as a signal for someone submitting too. I always thought that was due to the UFC/Ken Shamrock influence. |
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Post by thecrusherwi on Apr 23, 2019 8:56:58 GMT -5
Vince-speak. You know, phrasing or words that no one else on this planet would use normally, but Mr. insecure guy who needs to sound more intelligent than he clearly is does it all the time. So for now I'm holding this thread in abeyance. Vince and his close friends have always talked like that. It’s not their fault you took a bump on your external occipital protuberance and it turned you into a fountain of misinformation. |
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Post by crashmatsbazz on Apr 23, 2019 9:05:43 GMT -5
Women being called by there first names and men being called by there second names. Please just mix it up a bit.
Edit.
I mean on commentary and in general backstage segments etc.
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Post by bmfjules on Apr 23, 2019 11:10:43 GMT -5
is the overuse of "hot tag" a wwe thing? The mis-use of the hot tag is a WWE thing.
I don't know if it is on WWE or just on the wrestlers, but it seems to be the assumption that if you just beat the devil out of a guy, then he does the slow crawl to his partner, then the tag is automatically 'hot'....
A hot tag used to be any tag that resulted in a pop and a reversal of fortune for the babyface team. The paint-by-numbers heat, heat, heat, crawl, crawl crawl, tag, clotheslines, clothesline, body slam, back drop, clothesline model is overdone to the point that you don't even notice it is overdone anymore.
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Post by joey joe joe junior shabadoo on Apr 23, 2019 14:24:37 GMT -5
Vince-speak. You know, phrasing or words that no one else on this planet would use normally, but Mr. insecure guy who needs to sound more intelligent than he clearly is does it all the time. So for now I'm holding this thread in abeyance. That's very attitudinal of you |
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Post by Dean-o on Apr 23, 2019 17:37:02 GMT -5
"the fact of the matter is" This post just put the FAN Universe on notice! |
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Post by Prince Petty on Apr 23, 2019 17:40:28 GMT -5
"the fact of the matter is" This post just put the FAN Universe on notice! Each and every one of them! |
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