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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 22:22:09 GMT -5
The Fear of Charlotte is something that's gonna take her retirement for people to get over. People really think she's like Sammartino or Hogan in his prime out here even when she's trying to help others out. Ember, Kairi, Bayley of course, anyone beating Charlotte of all people is huge for said character. It's more about the win rather than how you get to the win.
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Post by Rican on Apr 23, 2019 22:22:21 GMT -5
In 3+ years I just don't feel like a Charlotte story has REALLY been used to make someone else. That's my problem with this argument that Charlotte NEEDS to be champion to put someone else over and spread the star power. She just loses it for a while to get it back later. The only people I can think of that she really put over were Bayley (we see how that worked long term) and Becky (who had already been champion and is just losing it back to Charlotte anyway). You could accomplish this exact same goal of making new stars having Becky defend it against Lacey and Mandy on the same night and having one of them beat her without it going back to Charlotte. And I don't even dislike Charlotte, I think she's legitimately really talented and deserving of her spot, I'm just saying that argument that she HAS to be champion doesn't hold up for me.
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Post by Dub H on Apr 23, 2019 22:22:28 GMT -5
I don’t care if they have good matches and chemistry Charlotte & Becky have been feuding & involved with eachother non-stop since summerslam they have wrestled eachother at Summerslam,Hell in a cell,Super Showdown,Evolution,TLC,Royal Rumble,Fastlane,Mania and now MITB they want these 2 to be the 2 biggest stars of their division but they have zero restraint back in the attitude era the era of excess Rock and Austin weren’t wrestling eachother every month for a year they usually made you wait till mania where it seems more special.I never want to see these women wrestle eachother again and that’s a shame because both woman are extremely talented and this should be an epic rivalry but what their doing is doing more harm than good. After the rumble I thought you do Becky wins charlotte is mad but you do Becky vs Ronda 1 on 1 and Charlotte moves on to something else like a rematch with Asuka then Post mania Charlotte could take out Ronda giving you a storyline explanation for her being gone instead of her just disappearing and Charlotte could do something dastardly to Becky but you would have had a few months worth of a break so it would seem fresher and I liked the idea for the angle of Charlotte missing out on the mania main event and hating Becky more because of it instead of tacking her on to a 3 way and her being a 3rd wheel just so she could be in the main event. This forum is going to have "This would be better without charlotte" vs "No This NEEDS Charlotte" forever. At this point people want to be dependent of Charlotte to have a story
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 22:23:16 GMT -5
Yeah, but we're going to get DA QUEEN to be the bestest wrestler of all-time, and nobody is going to stand a chance against DA QUEEN. Do you honestly believe she's gonna hold it for years like a Bruno or retire with it like a Gail Kim or something? No, but I see WWE constantly setting it up where they will put her as the centerpiece of a division and make it so that everything circles back to her to the point where if someone who isn't Charlotte isn't champion, everyone inevitably will start thinking "So, when does Charlotte get it back?" It's counter-productive, but then again, this is a company that thinks nepotism is something the fans root for.
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Post by Dub H on Apr 23, 2019 22:23:27 GMT -5
The Fear of Charlotte is something that's gonna take her retirement for people to get over. People really think she's like Sammartino or Hogan in his prime out here even when she's trying to help others out. Ember, Kairi, Bayley of course, anyone beating Charlotte of all people is huge for said character. It's more about the win rather than how you get to the win. Or 3 months without her being in the title picture or derailing pushes/good stories could do the trick.
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Post by Jacy Derangement Syndrome on Apr 23, 2019 22:23:33 GMT -5
You ever just think "damn, breadsticks are cool as f***"?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 22:23:47 GMT -5
She is just out from completely stopping Asuka reign. Why asking her to spent a few months out of the title scene must mean losing all the time? Also,why people keep acting like the only choice as a champio is the "heel faces chase?" there is so many stories you can tell, you can have a fresh face proving herself that she beat Becky and she can beat these girls too,a fighting underdog if you will I can see the argument that Charlotte as the champion is the easy answer, but there is definitely a gamble right now in having Charlotte play underneath Ember, Bayley, or whoever it might be. Asuka is a fine choice for a champion but she's out of the picture now. The situation as it is, I think Charlotte's the best choice right now because she's a sure thing, and she's statistically the best heel the chase in order to build a face up. I don't think anyone else on the roster is ready for it. You don't start jobbing Charlotte out to the girl who got the hell booed out of her a week ago, and Ember's barely got her wheels spinning again yet. If WWE wanted to try making a new face in fast time I wouldn't turn it down but Charlotte's a star, she's demonstrated she can make stars, that's a more controlled situation than to put it on any of the faces right now and hope it works out.
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Post by Dub H on Apr 23, 2019 22:24:17 GMT -5
Do you honestly believe she's gonna hold it for years like a Bruno or retire with it like a Gail Kim or something? No, but I see WWE constantly setting it up where they will put her as the centerpiece of a division and make it so that everything circles back to her to the point where if someone who isn't Charlotte isn't champion, everyone inevitably will start thinking "So, when does Charlotte get it back?" It's counter-productive, but then again, this is a company that thinks nepotism is something the fans root for. Yeh I honestly think this reaction of "this story NEEDS Charlotte" is exactly the viscious cycle WWE wants. At some point we need to break it. At which point we dont need Charlotte in the title picture anymore?
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Apr 23, 2019 22:25:25 GMT -5
You ever just think "damn, breadsticks are cool as f***"? ...Corbin is Madlibs?
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Post by Dub H on Apr 23, 2019 22:26:00 GMT -5
She is just out from completely stopping Asuka reign. Why asking her to spent a few months out of the title scene must mean losing all the time? Also,why people keep acting like the only choice as a champio is the "heel faces chase?" there is so many stories you can tell, you can have a fresh face proving herself that she beat Becky and she can beat these girls too,a fighting underdog if you will I can see the argument that Charlotte as the champion is the easy answer, but there is definitely a gamble right now in having Charlotte play underneath Ember, Bayley, or whoever it might be. Asuka is a fine choice for a champion but she's out of the picture now. The situation as it is, I think Charlotte's the best choice right now because she's a sure thing, and she's statistically the best heel the chase in order to build a face up. I don't think anyone else on the roster is ready for it. You don't start jobbing Charlotte out to the girl who got the hell booed out of her a week ago, and Ember's barely got her wheels spinning again yet. If WWE wanted to try making a new face in fast time I wouldn't turn it down but Charlotte's a star, she's demonstrated she can make stars, that's a more controlled situation than to put it on any of the faces right now and hope it works out. That was honestly very well put,I can see that side of the argument. I will disagree in the end that its a good idea but made me think and it shows its not the worst idea ever
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Post by Dub H on Apr 23, 2019 22:26:41 GMT -5
You ever just think "damn, breadsticks are cool as f***"? As long its Garlic Breadsticks
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 22:26:42 GMT -5
Do you honestly believe she's gonna hold it for years like a Bruno or retire with it like a Gail Kim or something? No, but I see WWE constantly setting it up where they will put her as the centerpiece of a division and make it so that everything circles back to her to the point where if someone who isn't Charlotte isn't champion, everyone inevitably will start thinking "So, when does Charlotte get it back?" It's counter-productive, but then again, this is a company that thinks nepotism is something the fans root for. That isn’t at all what they want. Charlotte, whether we like it or not, is the second top female in WWE next to Lynch. Her not being in the title picture after Mania would arguably feel like a step down as she never got pinned or submitted. A character like Charlotte isn’t just going to forget all about it and move on. She’s going to want her title.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Apr 23, 2019 22:27:38 GMT -5
That's the GOAT, brah. She got her main ting to come back to her brand. That's the kinda pull she got.
Charlotte is no longer Ric Flair's daughter. Ric Flair is the father of Charlotte Flair. Damn, this must have been what it was like watching Ric in his prime. WOOOOOO~!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 22:27:40 GMT -5
You ever just think "damn, breadsticks are cool as f***"? I prefer cheesy bread. Especially when that shit has actual cheese in it. Not just bread with burnt cheese on the crust or some shit.
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Post by Dub H on Apr 23, 2019 22:28:05 GMT -5
No, but I see WWE constantly setting it up where they will put her as the centerpiece of a division and make it so that everything circles back to her to the point where if someone who isn't Charlotte isn't champion, everyone inevitably will start thinking "So, when does Charlotte get it back?" It's counter-productive, but then again, this is a company that thinks nepotism is something the fans root for. That isn’t at all what they want. Charlotte, whether we like it or not, is the second top female in WWE next to Lynch. Her not being in the title picture after Mania would arguably feel like a step down as she never got pinned or submitted. A character like Charlotte isn’t just going to forget all about it and move on. She’s going to want her title. She can want all she want,that is good character. Doesnt mean she should be in the title scene.That was the basis of the Mad Queen some wanted,someone unhiged that she is not where she "belongs" and is brutaly taking it out on the others.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 22:29:43 GMT -5
That isn’t at all what they want. Charlotte, whether we like it or not, is the second top female in WWE next to Lynch. Her not being in the title picture after Mania would arguably feel like a step down as she never got pinned or submitted. A character like Charlotte isn’t just going to forget all about it and move on. She’s going to want her title. She can want all she want,that is good character. Doesnt mean she should be in the title scene.That was the basis of the Mad Queen everyone wanted,someone unhiged that she is not where she "belongs" and is brutaly taking it out on the others. The basis of the mad queen to me was her losing to Becky and snapping at Becky. Not losing to Becky and pissing off to lose to asuka in the 7th match on the card, which is what so many wanted/thought was going to happen for some reason.
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Post by Doctor No on Apr 23, 2019 22:30:07 GMT -5
I can’t wait title Charlotte passes Ric/Cena’s title reign total(whoever has more at this point). That is happening. Get ready folks.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 22:30:19 GMT -5
That isn’t at all what they want. Charlotte, whether we like it or not, is the second top female in WWE next to Lynch. Her not being in the title picture after Mania would arguably feel like a step down as she never got pinned or submitted. A character like Charlotte isn’t just going to forget all about it and move on. She’s going to want her title. Besides that it's SDL.
We've only had time for 2 women's segments tonight and one had Becky/Charlotte while the other had 7 women in it including a match focused around the tag titles. With all of that, how are people saying that Charlotte can do this without a title when there's much less time on SDL? You gotta give time to the SDL women's champion so that's good, you gotta establish the tag feud given they're going against SDL wrestlers so that's good, you mean to tell me Charlotte can do a C level storyline without anything with a title being the focus with that little time?
Nah, just doesn't work that way. That's not even talking about her character, that's time.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 22:31:06 GMT -5
No, but I see WWE constantly setting it up where they will put her as the centerpiece of a division and make it so that everything circles back to her to the point where if someone who isn't Charlotte isn't champion, everyone inevitably will start thinking "So, when does Charlotte get it back?" It's counter-productive, but then again, this is a company that thinks nepotism is something the fans root for. Yeh I honestly think this reaction of "this story NEEDS Charlotte" is exactly the viscious cycle WWE wants. At some point we need to break it. At which point we dont need Charlotte in the title picture anymore? Exactly. We also haven't had a women's feud in a LONG while that didn't involve any title, and that could help give a female midcarder something to chew on. Again; this isn't knocking Charlotte, since it's pretty clear she's a company woman, but rather WWE's incentive to keep her exactly at this very spot forever and a day and ignoring common logic as to what the word "burnout" means.
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Post by Welfare Willis on Apr 23, 2019 22:31:53 GMT -5
You ever just think "Damn, breadsticks are cool as f***"? I hear Vince is planning to push egg rolls. Vince had a type that's for sure.
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