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Post by Dub H on Apr 23, 2019 22:12:09 GMT -5
You CANT elevate Charlotte more.She peaked ,she has all the accolades already. Now that I agree with 100%. But that's also why I feel she needs to be fed to a rising face. That's the cycle of wrestling to me. Because if you don't feed her to a good guy, what's the point of leveling her up so much? She's already this big, this is the perfect time to use that to improve someone else's standing, which is best done with a beloved face striping the title off of her that no one really wants to see her with. Even if we don't start with Charlotte as champ, we're gonna go down that road with the face heavy roster anyways. Let's get it done so we can celebrste the hot new hero more. By that point a girl or two will have turned heel so we can freshen things up. See I can agree with this too,i`m not saying bury Charlotte or never give her the top feuds. You can use her to put over without needing her all the time in the title scene. YOu can have TWO pushes at the same time.One vs Charlotte and one for the title
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 22:12:21 GMT -5
No, cool, I get it now. Smackdown's just really face heavy, so the only possible solution is to give an annoying harpie the championship and have her defend it successfully against all comers for the next ten years. That'll be a lot of fun. Smackdown's women roster is The ones with a slash in their name are the ones who are champions doing something else. Out of all of these women, seriously, which one do you think is the best with elevating future opponents while also being the one who gets the biggest rub for beating? It's pretty obvious that Charlotte's winning this one.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 22:12:42 GMT -5
A lot of this talk about Charlotte needing the belt to elevate the Smackdown faces is taking for fact that Becky is going to be Raw exclusive which we do not know for a fact for sure. They haven't said that she was traded to Raw and there was a rumor that part of why the Smackdown title was added to give them the option of keeping Becky on Smackdown due to the Fox deal. Also the biggest problem is that Charlotte is going to be 9x champion if go this route and that isn't going to help people move past the idea that she is the favored one when they just stick the belt on her whenever they don't know what to do with her or the division. Becky defeated Ronda Rousey, someone no other woman could do, in the Main event of Mania, ignoring the way we got their and the victory aside. I can’t possibly watch that, her subsequent rise, and her title run right now and say to myself “Charlotte is still obviously Vince’s favorite though.” I can’t.
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Post by DSR on Apr 23, 2019 22:13:39 GMT -5
No, cool, I get it now. Smackdown's just really face heavy, so the only possible solution is to give an annoying harpie the championship and have her defend it successfully against all comers for the next ten years. That'll be a lot of fun. That ain’t happening. Charlotte is losing that belt one way or another. Yeah, but wouldn't it REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY pay off for that face ten years from now when she FINALLY takes the strap off the greatest queen in the history of making history for the women's evolution? WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Sponsored by Groose Wipes on Apr 23, 2019 22:14:19 GMT -5
Hey, that sounds like a good idea! Let's celebrate this by giving Charlotte more title matches.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 22:14:33 GMT -5
That ain’t happening. Charlotte is losing that belt one way or another. Yeah, but wouldn't it REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY pay off for that face ten years from now when she FINALLY takes the strap off the greatest queen in the history of making history for the women's evolution? WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!! Stop it lol. It really isn’t that serious, nor is their love for Charlotte THAT heavy. As if she hasn’t been booked to be Becky’s personal punching bag for eight months.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 22:14:56 GMT -5
Charlotte is the measuring stick right now, whoever beats her title or not gets elevated,that is a big part of it. Yeah but you play that card too many times and you run the risk of losing her ability to elevate anyone anymore, and if you take that away from her then who's gonna play that role? I guess this stuff is easier if you're a Charlotte fan. To me she's one of the best wrestlers they have, male or female, she has great matches and great feuds (except for the latter half of the Wrestlemania feud so if anyone's gonna float around the championship scene I'm good with it being her. I think at this point Charlotte winning the title and creating some space between Becky and her finally can do them some good, then the two of them can help raise their respective divisions up.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Apr 23, 2019 22:15:09 GMT -5
Now that I agree with 100%. But that's also why I feel she needs to be fed to a rising face. That's the cycle of wrestling to me. Because if you don't feed her to a good guy, what's the point of leveling her up so much? She's already this big, this is the perfect time to use that to improve someone else's standing, which is best done with a beloved face striping the title off of her that no one really wants to see her with. Even if we don't start with Charlotte as champ, we're gonna go down that road with the face heavy roster anyways. Let's get it done so we can celebrste the hot new hero more. By that point a girl or two will have turned heel so we can freshen things up. See I can agree with this too,i`m not saying bury Charlotte or never give her the top feuds. You can use her to put over without needing her all the time in the title scene. YOu can have TWO pushes at the same time.One vs Charlotte and one for the title Yeah that's all anyone is saying lol The whole goal is to crown a new top face. We all want that.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 22:17:11 GMT -5
SDL doesn't need Becky, RAW does. Get that SDL title off her and onto a heel for some heat and let's start Bayley's redemption, level Ember up, get Asuka back in the mix, whatever else. Hella good choices to go with. The blue show's female roster is sweet. Charlotte's placement is perfect for being that heel and setting a firey babyface up to chase. Yeah, but we're going to get DA QUEEN to be the bestest wrestler of all-time, and nobody is going to stand a chance against DA QUEEN.
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Post by DSR on Apr 23, 2019 22:17:24 GMT -5
Yeah, but wouldn't it REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY pay off for that face ten years from now when she FINALLY takes the strap off the greatest queen in the history of making history for the women's evolution? WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!! Stop it lol. It really isn’t that serious, nor is their love for Charlotte THAT heavy. My "love for Becky" isn't THAT heavy, either, but because I'd like someone other than Charlotte to take a belt off of Becky, people seem to think I want Charlotte fired and homeless or something.
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Post by Dub H on Apr 23, 2019 22:17:29 GMT -5
Yeah but you play that card too many times and you run the risk of losing her ability to elevate anyone anymore, and if you take that away from her then who's gonna play that role? I guess this stuff is easier if you're a Charlotte fan. To me she's one of the best wrestlers they have, male or female, she has great matches and great feuds (except for the latter half of the Wrestlemania feud so if anyone's gonna float around the championship scene I'm good with it being her. I think at this point Charlotte winning the title and creating some space between Becky and her finally can do them some good, then the two of them can help raise their respective divisions up. But I never even said she needs to lose all the time. She is just out from completely stopping Asuka reign. Why asking her to spent a few months out of the title scene must mean losing all the time? Also,why people keep acting like the only choice as a champio is the "heel faces chase?" there is so many stories you can tell, you can have a fresh face proving herself that she beat Becky and she can beat these girls too,a fighting underdog if you will
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Post by Dub H on Apr 23, 2019 22:18:14 GMT -5
See I can agree with this too,i`m not saying bury Charlotte or never give her the top feuds. You can use her to put over without needing her all the time in the title scene. YOu can have TWO pushes at the same time.One vs Charlotte and one for the title Yeah that's all anyone is saying lol The whole goal is to crown a new top face. We all want that. The issue we are having is that having Charlotte win that doesnt accomplish that. It just bugs the division in more apathy because we are back to the "Charlotte dominates everyone" show.It will just end up with everyone looking inferior to Charlotte until down the line someone has a lucky break and wins.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Apr 23, 2019 22:19:28 GMT -5
SDL doesn't need Becky, RAW does. Get that SDL title off her and onto a heel for some heat and let's start Bayley's redemption, level Ember up, get Asuka back in the mix, whatever else. Hella good choices to go with. The blue show's female roster is sweet. Charlotte's placement is perfect for being that heel and setting a firey babyface up to chase. Yeah, but we're going to get DA QUEEN to be the bestest wrestler of all-time, and nobody is going to stand a chance against DA QUEEN. Do you honestly believe she's gonna hold it for years like a Bruno or retire with it like a Gail Kim or something?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 22:19:43 GMT -5
Stop it lol. It really isn’t that serious, nor is their love for Charlotte THAT heavy. My "love for Becky" isn't THAT heavy, either, but because I'd like someone other than Charlotte to take a belt off of Becky, people seem to think I want Charlotte fired and homeless or something. I’m sure that isn’t what anyone’s thinking at all. Me personally? I just really, really don’t see any other way to handle Charlotte than having her take Becky’s title and elevate the division by eventually losing said title to a Bayley or an ember, or even a Liv. It helps she’s a damn good heel and a good athlete to boot. Idk, that’s just me though. I love both performers, but there really isn’t any denying that Charlotte as the heel champion is the way to go imo
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 22:20:21 GMT -5
SDL doesn't need Becky, RAW does. Get that SDL title off her and onto a heel for some heat and let's start Bayley's redemption, level Ember up, get Asuka back in the mix, whatever else. Hella good choices to go with. The blue show's female roster is sweet. Charlotte's placement is perfect for being that heel and setting a firey babyface up to chase. Yeah, but we're going to get DA QUEEN to be the bestest wrestler of all-time, and nobody is going to stand a chance against DA QUEEN. I mean, she really is a good wrestler.
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Post by Dub H on Apr 23, 2019 22:20:37 GMT -5
My "love for Becky" isn't THAT heavy, either, but because I'd like someone other than Charlotte to take a belt off of Becky, people seem to think I want Charlotte fired and homeless or something. I’m sure that isn’t what anyone’s thinking at all. Me personally? I just really, really don’t see any other way to handle Charlotte than having her take Becky’s title and elevate the division by eventually losing said title to a Bayley or an ember, or even a Liv. It helps she’s a damn good heel and a good athlete to boot. Idk, that’s just me though. I love both performers, but there really isn’t any denying that Charlotte as the heel champion is the way to go imo And I see having Charlotte taking the belt from becky as the worst way creative differences if you will. There is a lot of denying.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Apr 23, 2019 22:21:06 GMT -5
Yeah that's all anyone is saying lol The whole goal is to crown a new top face. We all want that. The issue we are having is that having Charlotte win that doesnt accomplish that. It just bugs the division in more apathy because we are back to the "Charlotte dominates everyone" show.It will just end up with everyone looking inferior to Charlotte until down the line someone has a lucky break and wins. See that's the disconnect for me then, I don't have or see any apathy for this division. I think it has the potential to get popping real fast.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 22:21:10 GMT -5
I don’t care if they have good matches and chemistry Charlotte & Becky have been feuding & involved with eachother non-stop since summerslam they have wrestled eachother at Summerslam,Hell in a cell,Super Showdown,Evolution,TLC,Royal Rumble,Fastlane,Mania and now MITB they want these 2 to be the 2 biggest stars of their division but they have zero restraint back in the attitude era the era of excess Rock and Austin weren’t wrestling eachother every month for a year they usually made you wait till mania where it seems more special.I never want to see these women wrestle eachother again and that’s a shame because both women are extremely talented and this should be an epic rivalry but what their doing is doing more harm than good.
After the rumble I thought you do Becky wins charlotte is mad but you do Becky vs Ronda 1 on 1 and Charlotte moves on to something else like a rematch with Asuka then Post mania Charlotte could take out Ronda giving you a storyline explanation for her being gone instead of her just disappearing and Charlotte could do something dastardly to Becky but you would have had a few months worth of a break so it would seem fresher and I liked the idea for the angle of Charlotte missing out on the mania main event and hating Becky more because of it instead of tacking her on to a 3 way and her being a 3rd wheel just so she could be in the main event.
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Post by denna5 on Apr 23, 2019 22:21:34 GMT -5
A lot of this talk about Charlotte needing the belt to elevate the Smackdown faces is taking for fact that Becky is going to be Raw exclusive which we do not know for a fact for sure. They haven't said that she was traded to Raw and there was a rumor that part of why the Smackdown title was added to give them the option of keeping Becky on Smackdown due to the Fox deal. Also the biggest problem is that Charlotte is going to be 9x champion if go this route and that isn't going to help people move past the idea that she is the favored one when they just stick the belt on her whenever they don't know what to do with her or the division. Becky defeated Ronda Rousey, someone no other woman could do, in the Main event of Mania, ignoring the way we got their and the victory aside. I can’t possibly watch that, her subsequent rise, and her title run right now and say to myself “Charlotte is still obviously Vince’s favorite though.” I can’t. I'm not saying she is taking anything away from Becky, Becky is in a great spot right now and obviously a favorite, I'm just saying that Charlotte has been in the title scene a lot, that people want to see new matches and new people in upper spots and just going back to Charlotte to try to build some one up instead of possibly doing a face vs face feud with Becky doesn't seem like a good call to me. It makes it seem like just Becky and Charlotte matter, that only feuding for the title matters and that isn't great for the division. It just seems like they don't know how to give Charlotte a good story without involving a title and that is an issue to me. She is established enough where she should be able to do a story without the title but they just keep adding her to the title picture and I think it is hurting her a bit.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 22:21:37 GMT -5
I just dont think its a good look for bayley to beat a previously wrassled becky, or for bayley to win first then lacey lose even during fluke. Its tricky to book champ doing double duty.
Its dumb and going to pad charlottes reign but eh. She can be the smarmy dick gloating a brand away in delusion how she beat Becky
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