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Post by Starshine on Apr 23, 2019 22:00:02 GMT -5
In what way? You need to elaborate. Because Cena was already and established dude when the jeers came in. Where as ember and Bayley, two people they clearly like as babyface, aren’t. They aren’t just going to randomly put ember and Bayley in a title match with Becky, especially since you do the risk of either of ruining either of those girls fan support. That includes Becky. Just because the WWE fell on deaf ears with Cena or Roman, it doesn’t mean they’re going to do for the women. Except Bayley does get booed. A lot of her booking has done a lot to damage her, and they've done nothing to fix it.
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Post by Dub H on Apr 23, 2019 22:01:13 GMT -5
Because Cena was already and established dude when the jeers came in. Where as ember and Bayley, two people they clearly like as babyface, aren’t. They aren’t just going to randomly put ember and Bayley in a title match with Becky, especially since you do the risk of either of ruining either of those girls fan support. That includes Becky. Just because the WWE fell on deaf ears with Cena or Roman, it doesn’t mean they’re going to do for the women. Except Bayley does get booed. A lot of her booking has done a lot to damage her, and they've done nothing to fix it. They did a good job today,you know what would been better? If she won Part of the Bayley issue is that she is booked like a goober,she changed her attitude but she still lost and proved nothing she said to back it up.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 22:01:14 GMT -5
Charlotte has been made to look like Becky’s bitch for the majority of their feud. The weeks leading up to HIAC, HIAC itself, SSD, Evolution, The Rumble, Fastlane, Mania, etc. One win against a fatigued Becky won’t hurt her or Mania whatsoever. Not speaking for then,but my issue isnt hurting Becky. its wasting the bragging rights of beating Becky for the title. And simply being tired of watching her in the title scene. Then what would you suggest they do with the same Charlotte who was just in the Mania Main event. It isn’t like most will forget about it while she’s in the tag division or losing to more people again. In order to build up the SD women's division, Charlotte needs to get that belt. That, and Becky is looking exhausted from working both shows. Poor girl needs a break.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 22:02:01 GMT -5
Because Cena was already and established dude when the jeers came in. Where as ember and Bayley, two people they clearly like as babyface, aren’t. They aren’t just going to randomly put ember and Bayley in a title match with Becky, especially since you do the risk of either of ruining either of those girls fan support. That includes Becky. Just because the WWE fell on deaf ears with Cena or Roman, it doesn’t mean they’re going to do for the women. Except Bayley does get booed. A lot of her booking has done a lot to damage her, and they've done nothing to fix it. Losing aside, they fixed Bayley in one night. A SD in Canada doesn't equate to the whole audience.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Apr 23, 2019 22:02:24 GMT -5
It sets up multiple faces on SDL to chase. If Bayley is the champ out the gate than that only leaves Charlotte, the only big heel, to take it off her anyways. At least now we get a conquering babyface story that brings up Bayley, Ember, Asuka, or Sane. But Charlotte is already made , she doesnt need the title to put someone over. Beating Becky for the title is the rub someone else needed. You had the chance NOW,you still do,you dont need to place Charlotte in the middle for it. Not all stories need to be "chase the big bad heel champ". There's no stories to go with yet if Bayley wins right off the bat. There's no top heels besides Charlotte. This isn't about Charlotte needing it, it's about the division needing a top heel. She's what's available, and is primed to be fed to a rising babyface because how high on the totem pole she is.
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Post by Dub H on Apr 23, 2019 22:02:56 GMT -5
Not speaking for then,but my issue isnt hurting Becky. its wasting the bragging rights of beating Becky for the title. And simply being tired of watching her in the title scene. Then what would you suggest they do with the same Charlotte who was just in the Mania Main event. It isn’t like most will forget about it while she’s in the tag division or losing to more people again. In order to build up the SD women's division, Charlotte needs to get that belt. That, and Becky is looking exhausted from working both shows. Poor girl needs a break. They really dont need Charlotte have the belt to build that division,it is the same problem as before.Having he ron top just pushs it down. What would bring people more,beating Charlotte and then becoming champ(which wouldnt hurt Charlotte at all) or constantly losing to Charlotte? Charlotte is the measuring stick right now, whoever beats her title or not gets elevated,that is a big part of it.
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Post by Dub H on Apr 23, 2019 22:04:14 GMT -5
But Charlotte is already made , she doesnt need the title to put someone over. Beating Becky for the title is the rub someone else needed. You had the chance NOW,you still do,you dont need to place Charlotte in the middle for it. Not all stories need to be "chase the big bad heel champ". There's no stories to go with yet if Bayley wins right off the bat. There's no top heels besides Charlotte. This isn't about Charlotte needing it, it's about the division needing a top heel. She's what's available, and is primed to be fed to a rising babyface because how high on the totem pole she is. I think that is just a point we are not gonna agree on.I simply dont think Charlotte is needed as a champ to a top heel for the division. its just lazy booking to do so and just goes back to the way things were.Some people think it helps,other thinks it will hurt.
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Post by Sparkybob on Apr 23, 2019 22:04:18 GMT -5
Well they wanted Becky to get a stronger star moment and be crowned as the top women on the roster. It's much easier to sell that when she has both titles than saying that when Flair/Asuka has the other belt. But her beating Charlotte and Ronda in the main event at the same night accomplishes that without her having both belts. Her winning both just to lose one a month later to someone who the story is that she didn’t “really” beat undoes what they accomplished too soon. And with the brand split someone having another belt shouldn’t reflect negatively on any of the champs. No one is saying Kofi or Seth are less of a champion for not having both belts. The visual of her holding both belts and beating the top woman on smackdown and the top woman on Raw for both titles makes it a bigger moment for Becky. Being the first ever undisputed woman's champion is also a big feather in her cap that will cement her in history. Just look at Chris Jericho who has milked the fact that he was the first ever undisputed champion by beating both the Rock and Steve Austin on the same night for 15 years. No reason Becky can't do the same.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 22:04:45 GMT -5
Then what would you suggest they do with the same Charlotte who was just in the Mania Main event. It isn’t like most will forget about it while she’s in the tag division or losing to more people again. In order to build up the SD women's division, Charlotte needs to get that belt. That, and Becky is looking exhausted from working both shows. Poor girl needs a break. They really dont need Charlotte have the belt to build that division,it is the same problem as before.Having he ron top just pushs it down. What would bring people more,beating Charlotte and then becoming champ(which wouldnt hurt Charlotte at all) or constantly losing to Charlotte? Charlotte is the measuring stick right now, whoever beats her title or not gets elevated,that is a big part of it. Yes, but that measuring stick gets elevated more when she’s the champion. Also, she can’t be losing these feuds all the time, otherwise that negates whoever the next opponent that comes her way is. “Oh you beat Charlotte? So has everyone, man.” Lol
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Post by Dub H on Apr 23, 2019 22:05:50 GMT -5
They really dont need Charlotte have the belt to build that division,it is the same problem as before.Having he ron top just pushs it down. What would bring people more,beating Charlotte and then becoming champ(which wouldnt hurt Charlotte at all) or constantly losing to Charlotte? Charlotte is the measuring stick right now, whoever beats her title or not gets elevated,that is a big part of it. Yes, but that measuring stick gets elevated more when she’s the champion. Also, she can’t be losing these feuds all the time, otherwise that negates whoever the next opponent that comes her way is. “Oh you beat Charlotte? So has everyone, man.” Lol You CANT elevate Charlotte more.She peaked ,she has all the accolades already. Also not winning the title doesnt mean losing all the feuds.
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Post by Starshine on Apr 23, 2019 22:06:02 GMT -5
Not speaking for then,but my issue isnt hurting Becky. its wasting the bragging rights of beating Becky for the title. And simply being tired of watching her in the title scene. Then what would you suggest they do with the same Charlotte who was just in the Mania Main event. It isn’t like most will forget about it while she’s in the tag division or losing to more people again. In order to build up the SD women's division, Charlotte needs to get that belt. That, and Becky is looking exhausted from working both shows. Poor girl needs a break. They could do anything with her. She decides she's already dominated the singles division and wants to rule the tag team one now, so she's looking for a partner. They could do an additional story where no one wants to team with her since she's been so awful. Or maybe, suddenly she's not being given the same opportunities she's used to getting, and takes her frustrations out on... I don't know, let's say Ember Moon. Then they feud, with the idea of establishing Ember Moon as being on Charlotte's level. Or how about, Asuka wants to avenge her losses against Charlotte, and since she's never been able to beat her, it's the first time she's felt like an underdog. Then the winner gets a big future match with one of the champions, or something. There's lots of options. There's no reason to go back to this dry ass well again so soon.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 22:06:34 GMT -5
They really dont need Charlotte have the belt to build that division,it is the same problem as before.Having he ron top just pushs it down. What would bring people more,beating Charlotte and then becoming champ(which wouldnt hurt Charlotte at all) or constantly losing to Charlotte? Charlotte is the measuring stick right now, whoever beats her title or not gets elevated,that is a big part of it. Yes, but that measuring stick gets elevated more when she’s the champion. Also, she can’t be losing these feuds all the time, otherwise that negates whoever the next opponent that comes her way is. “Oh you beat Charlotte? So has everyone, man.” Lol Think Cena's a good example of that. Dude spent years being unstoppable but now despite rarely showing up, he doesn't mean shit because it's been ages since he's actually accomplished anything meaningful.
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Post by Dub H on Apr 23, 2019 22:07:32 GMT -5
Yes, but that measuring stick gets elevated more when she’s the champion. Also, she can’t be losing these feuds all the time, otherwise that negates whoever the next opponent that comes her way is. “Oh you beat Charlotte? So has everyone, man.” Lol Think Cena's a good example of that. Dude spent years being unstoppable but now despite rarely showing up, he doesn't mean shit because it's been ages since he's actually accomplished anything meaningful. Yeh,Charlotte hasnt been champion for two weeks already.We gonna forget how dominant she has been the past 4 years
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Post by DSR on Apr 23, 2019 22:07:40 GMT -5
No, cool, I get it now. Smackdown's just really face heavy, so the only possible solution is to give an annoying harpie the championship and have her defend it successfully against all comers for the next ten years. That'll be a lot of fun.
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Post by Dub H on Apr 23, 2019 22:08:54 GMT -5
No, cool, I get it now. Smackdown's just really face heavy, so the only possible solution is to give an annoying harpie the championship and have her defend it successfully against all comers for the next ten years. That'll be a lot of fun. This is how I feel but less Snarky The solution isnt to keep Charlotte beating everyone so EVENTUALLY a face gets a rub. that has been WWE biggest issue for ages.(not Charlotte specifically,just overall booking)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 22:09:43 GMT -5
Then what would you suggest they do with the same Charlotte who was just in the Mania Main event. It isn’t like most will forget about it while she’s in the tag division or losing to more people again. In order to build up the SD women's division, Charlotte needs to get that belt. That, and Becky is looking exhausted from working both shows. Poor girl needs a break. They could do anything with her. She decides she's already dominated the singles division and wants to rule the tag team one now, so she's looking for a partner. They could do an additional story where no one wants to team with her since she's been so awful. Or maybe, suddenly she's not being given the same opportunities she's used to getting, and takes her frustrations out on... I don't know, let's say Ember Moon. Then they feud, with the idea of establishing Ember Moon as being on Charlotte's level. Or how about, Asuka wants to avenge her losses against Charlotte, and since she's never been able to beat her, it's the first time she's felt like an underdog. Then the winner gets a big future match with one of the champions, or something. There's lots of options. There's no reason to go back to this dry ass well again so soon. The Ember portion would be a much bigger deal with the SD belt involved though. Establishing ember is well and good, but the title would honestly make that feud ten times more hype. Charlotte going to the tag division and not having a partner because she’s so awful doesn’t really benefit anyone, not even Charlotte. Asuka is busy in said tag division with Kairi to just drop her new friend and go after Charlotte. Like, I get your points, but I honestly would think those feuds with Ember or Bayley would be that much better with the SD title.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 22:10:15 GMT -5
No, cool, I get it now. Smackdown's just really face heavy, so the only possible solution is to give an annoying harpie the championship and have her defend it successfully against all comers for the next ten years. That'll be a lot of fun. That ain’t happening. Charlotte is losing that belt one way or another.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Apr 23, 2019 22:10:45 GMT -5
Yes, but that measuring stick gets elevated more when she’s the champion. Also, she can’t be losing these feuds all the time, otherwise that negates whoever the next opponent that comes her way is. “Oh you beat Charlotte? So has everyone, man.” Lol You CANT elevate Charlotte more.She peaked ,she has all the accolades already. Now that I agree with 100%. But that's also why I feel she needs to be fed to a rising face. That's the cycle of wrestling to me. Because if you don't feed her to a good guy, what's the point of leveling her up so much? She's already this big, this is the perfect time to use that to improve someone else's standing, which is best done with a beloved face striping the title off of her that no one really wants to see her with. Even if we don't start with Charlotte as champ, we're gonna go down that road with the face heavy roster anyways. Let's get it done so we can celebrate the hot new hero more. By that point a girl or two will have turned heel so we can freshen things up.
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Post by denna5 on Apr 23, 2019 22:10:45 GMT -5
A lot of this talk about Charlotte needing the belt to elevate the Smackdown faces is taking for fact that Becky is going to be Raw exclusive which we do not know for a fact for sure. They haven't said that she was traded to Raw and there was a rumor that part of why the Smackdown title was added to give them the option of keeping Becky on Smackdown due to the Fox deal. Also the biggest problem is that Charlotte is going to be 9x champion if go this route and that isn't going to help people move past the idea that she is the favored one when they just stick the belt on her whenever they don't know what to do with her or the division.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 22:11:42 GMT -5
Whose to say anyone straight up beats Charlotte? they will just pull another triple threat and take it off of Charlotte that way
Just so we can do the rinky dinky yeowy wowy dance again....OH YOU WON BUT NEVER BEAT ME just to keep Charlotte in the title picutre.
It is the same f***ing song and dance since Charlotte has been called up and is why so many of us in this thread want something different!
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