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Post by RadcapRadsley on Apr 26, 2019 19:04:28 GMT -5
That money don't mean squak if WWE aint got an audience left. If they can monetize the 2-3 million fans they have in the U.S. to the extent they have been, then it means a lot. If your fans are aging out of the 18-49 demo they became less useful to tv revenue monetization. Having a bunch of aging superfans who show up to the big events isn't gonna be enough revenue for the company once the tv money and live ticket revenue decrease. Unless your company products is Yachts or some other high end product they are gonna hit a saturation point with the dollar of revenue per fan they can squeeze.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Apr 26, 2019 19:11:54 GMT -5
There's only so many times you can pull the "Live event attendance was down (X)%, partially offset by a (Y)% increase in ticket costs" magic trick before you compound the effect of audience attrition with pricing yourself out of more ticket sales too. Fewer people are going to the shows, this isn't just some neato fun fact indicative of a healthy product that can handle anything, it's a downward trend that is pushing numebrs toward a breaking point.
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Post by KofiMania on Apr 26, 2019 20:58:03 GMT -5
There's only so many times you can pull the "Live event attendance was down (X)%, partially offset by a (Y)% increase in ticket costs" magic trick before you compound the effect of audience attrition with pricing yourself out of more ticket sales too. Fewer people are going to the shows, this isn't just some neato fun fact indicative of a healthy product that can handle anything, it's a downward trend that is pushing numebrs toward a breaking point. I mean they are nowhere near Attitude Era attendance, which was out of this world but they’re near or above most other years since 1995. Average attendance: 1995- 3,352 1996- 3,773 1997- 5,330 2003- 5,551 2004- 5,009 2005- 4,977 2006- 5,713 2007- 6,868 2008- 6,907 2009- 6,970 2010- 6,592 2011- 6,157 2012- 5,905 You get the idea. I believe 2018 was at 5,000.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Apr 26, 2019 21:08:15 GMT -5
There's only so many times you can pull the "Live event attendance was down (X)%, partially offset by a (Y)% increase in ticket costs" magic trick before you compound the effect of audience attrition with pricing yourself out of more ticket sales too. Fewer people are going to the shows, this isn't just some neato fun fact indicative of a healthy product that can handle anything, it's a downward trend that is pushing numebrs toward a breaking point. I mean they are nowhere near Attitude Era attendance, which was out of this world but they’re near or above most other years since 1995. Average attendance: 1995- 3,352 1996- 3,773 1997- 5,330 2003- 5,551 2004- 5,009 2005- 4,977 2006- 5,713 2007- 6,868 2008- 6,907 2009- 6,970 2010- 6,592 2011- 6,157 2012- 5,905 You get the idea. I believe 2018 was at 5,000. "North American ticket sales declined $2.9 million primarily due to an 8% decrease in average attendance to 4,500 and three fewer events staged during the quarter. The average ticket price of $53.68 was essentially unchanged from the prior year quarter. International live event revenue declined $2.8 million driven by an 18% decrease in average attendance to 5,600 and a 13% reduction in the average ticket price at these events to $93.18." Not sure the exact averaged-out math, but even the international attendance would probably have been bloated by Super Showdown and the Saudi Shows. There is a definite year-on-year decline, and it's not at 1995 levels yet, but we're still talking about an abysmal period for the company and how numebrs are tracking steadily down toward possibly reuniting with those amounts over time.
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Post by Gus Richlen Was Wrong on Apr 26, 2019 22:00:31 GMT -5
Ok, let's look at this from top to bottom. "When you don't have talent, you don't have storylines" - Why? Just because those people aren't there doesn't mean you can't make new storylines for new people. "When you don't have storylines, you won't do well in live events and television" - That's only if you don't do the above, which you clearly don't seem to care to. "We made new talent" - Let's say that's true (it's not), why did you list 15 people whose absense were the reason ratings were down? What storylines did you make for them? Like...that line just contradicts everything else. And yes, they don't have a crossover star. That's because they don't want that. WWE is the star. Everyone else is just the flavour and that's the thing that's causing people to not care. If you don't care about making new stars, why should we as an audience care for anyone there? I wonder just how much Brock leaving the first time f***ed with him so hard, they changed their entire booking philosophy. Vince is the only one who can give an honest answer and I don't see him giving ANY answer that isn't spin.
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Post by cabbageboy on Apr 26, 2019 22:15:54 GMT -5
Any particular reason why that 2009 number was so high? I seem to recall the product itself being pretty awful during the guest host era and Legacy being all over Raw. In fact I'm kinda shocked at 2007-11 being that high. What was the attendance from 1998-2002?
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Post by KofiMania on Apr 27, 2019 17:47:46 GMT -5
Any particular reason why that 2009 number was so high? I seem to recall the product itself being pretty awful during the guest host era and Legacy being all over Raw. In fact I'm kinda shocked at 2007-11 being that high. What was the attendance from 1998-2002? 1998- 7,230 1999- 11,426 2000- 12,064 2001- 11,556 2002- 8,577
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Apr 27, 2019 18:56:46 GMT -5
Aren’t talent paid by working a set number of dates including house shows? Not sure they can just choose to run less without finding themselves in a questionable position with the wrestlers regarding what they were promised over how long in terms of pay.
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Post by cjh on Apr 27, 2019 19:06:55 GMT -5
Aren’t talent paid by working a set number of dates including house shows? Not sure they can just choose to run less without finding themselves in a questionable position with the wrestlers regarding what they were promised over how long in terms of pay. No, they're just promised a minimum of x dollars a year, and if they don't hit it, they get a check at the end of the year for the difference. A percentage of the gate goes to paying the talent, so they make more money when more tickets are sold.
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