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Post by The Yes Man on May 1, 2019 11:50:34 GMT -5
I’m pretty sure his heel turn happening on the night it did, and then the way it played out pretty much sealed the deal.
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Post by eJm on May 1, 2019 11:53:01 GMT -5
I’m pretty sure his heel turn happening on the night it did, and then the way it played out pretty much sealed the deal. It honestly felt like night and day on how that turned out. Ambrose being apologetic but merciless in what he was doing to his former best friend and then the next week he's "Generic heel who thinks it's the crowd's fault #8467957284".
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Post by abjordans on May 1, 2019 11:55:20 GMT -5
His heel turn could have worked, but he just came out as the normal generic WWE heel and that was pretty much the icing on the cake for ol Dean I believe. Guy wants something he can sink his teeth into.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2019 11:55:30 GMT -5
I wonder how much THAT Brock match played a role in this. Even three years later, I still wouldn't blame him for being sour over it. That match still has ME upset. Even with that small vignette Ambrose posted less than 24hrs ago it really makes you think how he would have pulled that match off if they let him. Basically the company's f***ed up and they'd rather care more about control than anything else. Sad but true. All Ambrose wanted was some control to do what he wants his way but they wouldn't even let him do that. It's shocking because honestly, in most jobs if you say you have an idea on how to do something they'll let you do it to see if it fails or not, well most great managers would but in this case? nope. Just nothing.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on May 1, 2019 11:58:35 GMT -5
The biggest thing to me is dude was always one of if not the most over guy on the shows and they rarely treated him like it.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on May 1, 2019 12:02:48 GMT -5
The heel turn wasn’t the problem. It was that stupid gas mask and the fur coat and the “YOU PEOPLE!” along with the ass injections and the “you people smell” promos. They couldn’t have f***ed it up any harder if they tried. Like why could they not just have him become a deranged lunatic like Brian Pullman? Is that so f***ing hard to do? That's what I meant by the heel turn. Not the turn itself but what it consisted of. I’ll go on record on saying the actual turn where he beat Rollins up after winning the Tag titles was amazing for how shocking and abrupt it was.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on May 1, 2019 12:11:53 GMT -5
The heel turn wasn’t the problem. It was that stupid gas mask and the fur coat and the “YOU PEOPLE!” along with the ass injections and the “you people smell” promos. They couldn’t have f***ed it up any harder if they tried. Like why could they not just have him become a deranged lunatic like Brian Pullman? Is that so f***ing hard to do? The initial turn, the conflict in him as he attacked Rollins, it was great. Had they stuck with that route, it would have worked 100%
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Post by Corre.222 on May 1, 2019 12:56:21 GMT -5
My impression was that he was set for life and wanted to live out his days doing nothing and chilling & do recreation & ride motorcycles around the country, which he has very well earned. When he was out with injury, he may not have been as enthused about coming back to that punishing grueling road schedule. Sami Zayn wasnt, and Big Cass didnt act like he wanted to stay.
Just sit down and enjoy life. Perfectly justified decision.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2019 12:56:52 GMT -5
That's what I meant by the heel turn. Not the turn itself but what it consisted of. I’ll go on record on saying the actual turn where he beat Rollins up after winning the Tag titles was amazing for how shocking and abrupt it was. Yeah, I loved how they turned him. The follow up was just complete garbage. A couple posters here were able to sell me on it for a couple days, but it was clear they gave it way more thought than the actual writers and Vince did.
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Post by salz4life on May 1, 2019 13:04:38 GMT -5
His heel turn could have worked, but he just came out as the normal generic WWE heel and that was pretty much the icing on the cake for ol Dean I believe. Guy wants something he can sink his teeth into. If they would've let him be "Jon Moxley" off the heel turn, it would've worked, IMO.
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Post by Hit Girl on May 1, 2019 13:08:00 GMT -5
By ineptness.
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Post by realist on May 1, 2019 13:08:45 GMT -5
I’ll go on record on saying the actual turn where he beat Rollins up after winning the Tag titles was amazing for how shocking and abrupt it was. Yeah, I loved how they turned him. The follow up was just complete garbage. A couple posters here were able to sell me on it for a couple days, but it was clear they gave it way more thought than the actual writers and Vince did. Same here. I thought that the would be a nuanced and layered character, struggling with anger and guilt over his friend's poor health and unresolved guilt over Seth Rollins' initial betrayal of The Shield... instead, he got inoculations and called the towns stinky.
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Post by cabbageboy on May 1, 2019 13:13:59 GMT -5
The turn was garbage. There was no way to follow it because the turn itself made zero sense. Why exactly did Ambrose turn? I'm still waiting for some inkling here. Yes they had teased some dissent for the previous few weeks but once Reigns had leukemia they needed to put that on the back burner and just give fans a happy ending on that Raw. But once they won the titles why exactly would Ambrose turn?
I don't know if the Lesnar match or Austin podcast has much to do with Ambrose leaving right now, but his booking since that ill fated heel turn has been some of the worst in history. Why wouldn't he quit?
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Post by Cyno on May 1, 2019 13:27:10 GMT -5
I’m pretty sure his heel turn happening on the night it did, and then the way it played out pretty much sealed the deal. It honestly felt like night and day on how that turned out. Ambrose being apologetic but merciless in what he was doing to his former best friend and then the next week he's "Generic heel who thinks it's the crowd's fault #8467957284". It's like WWE only knows how to book three kinds of heels. Monsters and psychopaths, cheap heat machines, or evil authority figures. Only the greats at the top like Bryan seem to be afforded any kind of nuance or creative freedom in how they're able to play their characters and even then they still fit in with the archetypes.
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Post by MolotovMocktail on May 1, 2019 14:27:26 GMT -5
He seems similar to CM Punk, in that if he’s not happy doing his thing every week and creative puts him in stuff he feels isn’t credible, the money just isn’t worth it.
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Post by The Ichi on May 1, 2019 14:45:10 GMT -5
I wonder how much THAT Brock match played a role in this. Even three years later, I still wouldn't blame him for being sour over it. I theorize that the two big factors were that and having to use one of his best friends illnesses for heel heat.
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Post by ChitownKnight on May 1, 2019 14:48:17 GMT -5
They treated him like a Jericho when he should of been treated like an Austin/Rock/Cena
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2019 14:52:18 GMT -5
What is WWE supposed to do? Not be shit?
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Post by lionheart21 on May 1, 2019 14:54:19 GMT -5
It's the ultimate consequence of "no one's bigger than the company" booking from Vince's paranoia of having another Rock or Lesnar get so big they leave to greener pastures. You have guys like Jon Moxley/Dean Ambrose who care more about the artform and the creative side of things than the money. You can recognize their talent and throw tons of money at them, but if you don't allow them the creative freedom, they're gonna walk in favor of somewhere that will. Even though he's a businessman, Vince seems to have forgotten that to some people, there's things more important than money. Moxley did his time, made his money, and he did leave in a professional manner by allowing his contract to run out and giving notice that he was leaving afterwards. And now he's free to do his own thing.
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Post by SparkyPlugg on May 1, 2019 18:08:01 GMT -5
I initially loved his heel turn, the timing was perfect. Where they lost me (and probably him) was with the reason for the attack on Rollins. Of all the deep and emotional reasons they could have used considering the circumstances, the one they came up with was “The Shield made me weak”.
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