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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Jun 5, 2019 15:40:42 GMT -5
Hasn't Jim been standing up for LGBT rights for years and years now? I feel like he'd blow a Dairy Queen gasket at an actual homophobe. And plus, apparently Sonny Kiss didn't even give a damn about what Jim said. Yet, guys like Joey Ryan and Sami Callihan are making themselves look like complete jerks with this whole "I stand with Sonny" "fire Cornette" nonsense. You can stand up for your friend, but trying to get someone fired for being a homophobe, when he pretty clearly isn't, is lame. Feels like such manufactured outrage. Jim has done more for the business than any of these clowns. ...you can support gay people and also have shitty attitudes towards people who violate gender norms. Also, you can be a great ally for LGBT people and that doesn't render you free from moral criticism if you say something shitty, even if you didn't mean for it to be shitty. Honestly, I'm partly appalled he apparently finds exoticos unusual and noteworthy, given how long they've been around.
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Post by brown bricks on Jun 5, 2019 16:59:40 GMT -5
Ok, people need to post tweets or comments of some of this stuff because some of the claims here could get us in trouble so if you’re not going to do that, you all need to drop it. Tried to embed some tweets and it was a mess.
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Post by Cyno on Jun 5, 2019 17:12:40 GMT -5
Hasn't Jim been standing up for LGBT rights for years and years now? I feel like he'd blow a Dairy Queen gasket at an actual homophobe. And plus, apparently Sonny Kiss didn't even give a damn about what Jim said. Yet, guys like Joey Ryan and Sami Callihan are making themselves look like complete jerks with this whole "I stand with Sonny" "fire Cornette" nonsense. You can stand up for your friend, but trying to get someone fired for being a homophobe, when he pretty clearly isn't, is lame. Feels like such manufactured outrage. Jim has done more for the business than any of these clowns. ...you can support gay people and also have shitty attitudes towards people who violate gender norms. Also, you can be a great ally for LGBT people and that doesn't render you free from moral criticism if you say something shitty, even if you didn't mean for it to be shitty. Honestly, I'm partly appalled he apparently finds exoticos unusual and noteworthy, given how long they've been around. Yeah. Some of the worst transphobia I've seen outside the usual suspects has been within the LGBTQ+ community (especially since a lot of TERF's are lesbians). Supporting their rights also doesn't necessarily mean you are free from buying into all of society's preconceptions and stereotypes about the community. Like I used to think some pretty shitty things about some trans people before I stopped being such an ignorant jackass about the subject, but at the same time I always thought they should have the same rights and opportunities as everyone else.
The reductio ad absurdum arguments defending Cornette don't add anything to the thread either.
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Post by eJm on Jun 5, 2019 17:20:33 GMT -5
Ok, people need to post tweets or comments of some of this stuff because some of the claims here could get us in trouble so if you’re not going to do that, you all need to drop it. Tried to embed some tweets and it was a mess. If there is language inappropriate to this place, you can just put the links in and everyone else can quote them as long as they make it so it can’t be embedded. If you can’t do that, and I’ll only say this one more time, drop it.
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Post by chazraps on Jun 5, 2019 17:23:12 GMT -5
Hasn't Jim been standing up for LGBT rights for years and years now? I feel like he'd blow a Dairy Queen gasket at an actual homophobe. And plus, apparently Sonny Kiss didn't even give a damn about what Jim said. Yet, guys like Joey Ryan and Sami Callihan are making themselves look like complete jerks with this whole "I stand with Sonny" "fire Cornette" nonsense. You can stand up for your friend, but trying to get someone fired for being a homophobe, when he pretty clearly isn't, is lame. Feels like such manufactured outrage. Jim has done more for the business than any of these clowns. You should actually read Sonny's comments.
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Post by RowdyRobbyPiper on Jun 5, 2019 18:59:35 GMT -5
Hasn't Jim been standing up for LGBT rights for years and years now? I feel like he'd blow a Dairy Queen gasket at an actual homophobe. And plus, apparently Sonny Kiss didn't even give a damn about what Jim said. Yet, guys like Joey Ryan and Sami Callihan are making themselves look like complete jerks with this whole "I stand with Sonny" "fire Cornette" nonsense. You can stand up for your friend, but trying to get someone fired for being a homophobe, when he pretty clearly isn't, is lame. Feels like such manufactured outrage. Jim has done more for the business than any of these clowns. Yep. Cornette has been very outspoken about LGBT rights, especially when it comes to their right to marry. He’s gone on some lengthy rants about people that have tried to prevent marriages and he’s celebrated states that have changed their laws to allow it. This outrage culture crap gives everyone looking to be hateful a reason to be. The lynch mobs get together with some self righteous reason to go after someone and they act like fools. “It’s ok to hate this guy, go get him!” It’s gotten very old and it just reveals how hateful some people legitimately are. The irony of responding to perceived intolerance with tons of hate is really something else. A lot of people should be ashamed of themselves. I heard the Cornette comments. They were outdated terms referring to Sonny. Quite frankly they’re the kind of comments I’d expect to hear from someone his age. He also compared him to an exotico which told me he was reaching for a more acceptable description of Sonny’s gimmick. Cornette was trying to put together a description of the wrestlers in the battle royal since they weren’t given enough backstory when there was plenty of time to give them some. Cornette gave his own interpretation of what he was seeing since he wasn’t given any explanation. He explained how someone not in the know might have thought about the battle royal entrants. Did the wrestlers need to be given more backstory? No. Would it have helped the wrestlers in there and your audience at home? Sure it would have. Who cares if some people aren’t officially on the roster? Give them some acknowledgement and put them over to help them out. Maybe some newer fans would be more interested to get out and see them if they ever came around to their area. “But but but but, there’s this thing called Google, Grandpa!”. 🙄
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Post by brown bricks on Jun 6, 2019 15:57:32 GMT -5
Cornette addressed the Sonny Kiss contrversy on his podcast this week. He seemed genuinely sorry that he may have been offensive in regards to Sonny Kiss and his sexuality. He also apologized to Sonny and his boyfriend on the show.
As far as Joey Ryan goes, yeah, he wasn't as nice to him.
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Post by crowley1986 on Jun 6, 2019 16:30:10 GMT -5
Cornette addressed the Sonny Kiss contrversy on his podcast this week. He seemed genuinely sorry that he may have been offensive in regards to Sonny Kiss and his sexuality. He also apologized to Sonny and his boyfriend on the show. As far as Joey Ryan goes, yeah, he wasn't as nice to him. awaits twitter brigade to twist his words to suit their agenda
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Post by Welfare Willis on Jun 7, 2019 1:59:50 GMT -5
Cornette addressed the Sonny Kiss contrversy on his podcast this week. He seemed genuinely sorry that he may have been offensive in regards to Sonny Kiss and his sexuality. He also apologized to Sonny and his boyfriend on the show. As far as Joey Ryan goes, yeah, he wasn't as nice to him. Yup, for those who are not keeping score here's Jim's enemies list: Vince Russo Vince Russo Vince Russo Kenny Omega Young Bucks Joey Ryan Jim Herd Wade Keller Kevin Dunn Ed Ferrera Mark Madden Kevin Steen (not exactly enemies, but some issues with one another) Sami Zayn (not exactly enemies, but some issues with one another) Sassy Dairy Queen workers There's a couple years old youtube video with Jim making his enemies list, but it may need updating for 2019
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Jun 8, 2019 9:08:49 GMT -5
Cornette addressed the Sonny Kiss contrversy on his podcast this week. He seemed genuinely sorry that he may have been offensive in regards to Sonny Kiss and his sexuality. He also apologized to Sonny and his boyfriend on the show. As far as Joey Ryan goes, yeah, he wasn't as nice to him. Yup, for those who are not keeping score here's Jim's enemies list: Vince Russo Vince Russo Vince Russo Kenny Omega Young Bucks Joey Ryan Jim Herd Wade Keller Kevin Dunn Ed Ferrera Mark Madden Kevin Steen (not exactly enemies, but some issues with one another) Sami Zayn (not exactly enemies, but some issues with one another) Sassy Dairy Queen workers There's a couple years old youtube video with Jim making his enemies list, but it may need updating for 2019 You forgot Vince Russo.
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Post by atgnatpodcast on Jun 8, 2019 15:25:38 GMT -5
January 14, 1995. Johnson City, TN. Dirty White Boy vs. Buddy Landell. Sometimes ring announcer Tommy Noe's tape of the show. Then please upload said tape so he can be exposed. Expose him for a mistake 25 years ago and let’s try to ruin His life! Or get over it and move on with your life
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Jun 8, 2019 18:25:23 GMT -5
Cornette addressed the Sonny Kiss contrversy on his podcast this week. He seemed genuinely sorry that he may have been offensive in regards to Sonny Kiss and his sexuality. He also apologized to Sonny and his boyfriend on the show. As far as Joey Ryan goes, yeah, he wasn't as nice to him. Yup, for those who are not keeping score here's Jim's enemies list: Vince Russo Vince Russo Vince Russo Kenny Omega Young Bucks Joey Ryan Jim Herd Wade Keller Kevin Dunn Ed Ferrera Mark Madden Kevin Steen (not exactly enemies, but some issues with one another) Sami Zayn (not exactly enemies, but some issues with one another) Sassy Dairy Queen workers There's a couple years old youtube video with Jim making his enemies list, but it may need updating for 2019 Hey!!! That’s Richard Nixon’s enemy list! You just crossed out his name and put Cornette’s!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2019 19:45:11 GMT -5
Then please upload said tape so he can be exposed. Expose him for a mistake 25 years ago and let’s try to ruin His life! Or get over it and move on with your life Being a racist isn't typically a "one time mistake."
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Post by brown bricks on Jun 8, 2019 23:46:19 GMT -5
Having been around him/watched his interactions with folks on two separate shows, if Cornette is racist, he really sucks at it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2019 2:57:51 GMT -5
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Post by Milkman Norm on Jun 10, 2019 21:20:56 GMT -5
I just finished The Double or Nothing review (I've been busy, I know.) To quote Jim Cornette from near the end of the episode "there was a lot of good,there was some bad." OMG HE BURIED THE WHOLE THING!!!
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Post by HMARK Center on Jun 10, 2019 21:55:42 GMT -5
Having been around him/watched his interactions with folks on two separate shows, if Cornette is racist, he really sucks at it. I don't know anything about Jim Cornette and possible racism (I do know about that islamophobic rant and really, really don't like it), but there's a massive, massive difference between being racist and being bigoted. I doubt that Cornette would be a bigot on racial matters, but like most people in a privileged racial group it's entirely possible that he has racial biases, practices, or beliefs that he was raised with or doesn't even realize he holds. Again, I don't know that, and I could swap out Cornette's name there and substitute just about any American white guy, myself included, but being racist doesn't automatically equate with hating other people or not wanting to be around them or something like that; it can, but it doesn't have to. Typically, it's just a ton more subtle, insidious, and even subconscious than that.
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