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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2019 16:44:24 GMT -5
just release him if you don't know what to do with him
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Post by Bear Skin Rug on Jun 10, 2019 16:44:31 GMT -5
There just has to be more to it than the Ambrose stuff. This is the most buried new guy in years and that’s with him looking like he does. Not even a fan, but the situation fascinated me.
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Post by David-Arquette was in WCW 2000 on Jun 10, 2019 17:23:38 GMT -5
Its a bad sign for your career when the era of soap opera feuds with grape van/chloroform enthusiast Johnny Curtis can be considered a much more effective use of your talents. To be fair, that was brilliant lol
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Post by nate5054 on Jun 10, 2019 17:32:30 GMT -5
I wouldn't say i was a huge fan of him, but his booking has been borderline criminal.
Either Vince or the other writers ate just completely incompetent at their jobs at a level that's hard to fathom, or He's getting buried for some reason.
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Post by jhbboy198917 on Jun 10, 2019 17:51:44 GMT -5
IMO EC3 should of been paired with Shane instead of Drew
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Post by eJm on Jun 10, 2019 18:10:45 GMT -5
just release him if you don't know what to do with him That’s what I think they’ve needed to do for a while. Ask who wants to be released, release them, pay them for 90 days and then be done with it. I get the idea that they don’t want them to be successful elsewhere, I really REALLY do, but WWE as a company have signed a bunch of people, potentially might sign some more women from the UK tryout and probably have a queue of people who’d jump at the chance to go to WWE regardless of all this nonsense surrounding it. It does nothing for morale to keep them around and have fans and their friends feeling sorry for them or feeling they want to do that too but also it costs you way more to keep them unhappy for a long time then just paying them 90 days and wishing them on their future endeavors.
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Post by Welfare Willis on Jun 10, 2019 18:15:17 GMT -5
I have to wonder if it's his new gimmick. Like I'm sure he's super unhappy, but I think he also knows he's a meme now. Are they mentioning it all on commentary? Because WWE doesn't know subtle and there's no way it's a gimmick if they aren't hammering it home. See Michael Cole and Aliester Black.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jun 10, 2019 18:15:21 GMT -5
Its a bad sign for your career when the era of soap opera feuds with grape van/chloroform enthusiast Johnny Curtis can be considered a much more effective use of your talents. Dirty Curty was one of my favorite gimmicks ever.
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Post by evilone on Jun 10, 2019 18:32:17 GMT -5
He is hands down the best slapstick comedy actor they have on the roster and yet they don't how to use him. EC3 as Dixie's nephew was pure quality stuff.
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Post by Cronant on Jun 10, 2019 18:33:35 GMT -5
He's not that good to begin with.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jun 10, 2019 18:45:52 GMT -5
Apparently, they let him do a couple of dark matches with Maverick/Spud as his manager, and Vince hated it, probably because he doesn't like managers.
I mean, EC3 and Spud got over most in Impact while working as a tandem, so it kind of begs the question why did you sign both of them if you hate what helped get both of them over?
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Post by EyeofTyr on Jun 10, 2019 18:46:25 GMT -5
It really shows how limited the WWE's view of comedy is that they can't find a way to use a guy like EC3 when his wheelhouse is heavily comedic in nature. But because it's not the weird, stilted humor of the WWE and most of the time genuinely humorous stuff...they got nothing for him.
I realize a lot of you know this already, but it really speaks to how flimsy of an excuse the old chestnut "X guy just doesn't work the style WWE's writing implements!" is. Because by all accounts EC3 is the ideal WWE wrestler. Charismatic, can be a larger than life character, can work a lot of different styles, big. But he wallows in the gutter.
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Post by Brian Suntan on Jun 10, 2019 18:51:28 GMT -5
Because it's his job? Fans who are paying to watch the show or watching on TV deserve better than someone half-assing their performance. Anywhere else in life, if you receive shit service from someone who clearly doesn't care, you wouldn't stop to consider if that person is feeling creatively unfulfilled. And again, none of these people are being sent to war here. If EC3/whoever just has to settle for being decently paid to wrestle on Main Event for a living... so what? All that said, I don't actually believe EC3 would've made it all the way down the ramp being as openly disrespectful/disinterested as that video suggests. Must be a gimmick. What are they gonna do? They won't fire anybody, so their only options are either keep forcing him out onto TV where he doesn't want to be, or send him home and pay him. I guarantee the nowhere in his contract does it specify that he has to give a shit. This is a company who is basically holding their "independent contractors" hostage, punishing people for wanting to leave and playing god with their lives and careers (not to mention all the other questionable shit like Saudi). All this because an insecure 73 year old man wants to believe he's still in control while houses, ratings, and revenues drop and a new company with better ideas and billion-dollar backing is breathing down his neck with bad intentions. f*** them. I hope he gets worse and worse. I hope he just saunters out to the ring and starts laying down. Force their hand because they have put themselves in a bad position on every front. Start treating your employees like people, and maybe you'll see less morale problems. If they believed he was liable to go into business for himself, he wouldn't be anywhere near TV. Also, EC3 isn't really in a position where he can be seen to disrespect the business. He's had one good run in a dying TNA with Dixie Carter of all people. He's not CM Punk or Moxley.
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Post by Starshine on Jun 10, 2019 19:10:32 GMT -5
Seriously, how does this company manage to have 10+ hours or so of new content each week, and still only feature like a 1/3 at most of their roster on the regular? We keep hearing of them rewriting shit all the time, yet all their shows seem so underwritten and uninspired. Like there's no reason EC3 should be doing nothing. He doesn't need to be main eventing shows, or winning title belts, but he could be feuding with someone, maybe taking up 10 minutes of the first hour (of three!!!!!) on RAW each week. I just can't wrap my head around how lazily written everything is. Nothing ever seems to matter, and what does tends to be the most vanilla shit imaginable. I cannot imagine wasting my life watching this skit on a weekly basis anymore. I don't and I'm still annoyed at myself that I spend so much time trying to find some way of reinvesting myself into it. It's just complete garbage. Its a bad sign for your career when the era of soap opera feuds with grape van/chloroform enthusiast Johnny Curtis can be considered a much more effective use of your talents. I'd take NXT Redemption at it's most insane over the current product 20 times out of 10. Yeah, once they gave up any pretense of the original contest aspect of the show, it got pretty decent. Johnny Curtis, Maxine, and Derrick Bateman were the biggest standouts too.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2019 20:03:14 GMT -5
It really shows how limited the WWE's view of comedy is that they can't find a way to use a guy like EC3 when his wheelhouse is heavily comedic in nature. But because it's not the weird, stilted humor of the WWE and most of the time genuinely humorous stuff...they got nothing for him. I realize a lot of you know this already, but it really speaks to how flimsy of an excuse the old chestnut "X guy just doesn't work the style WWE's writing implements!" is. Because by all accounts EC3 is the ideal WWE wrestler. Charismatic, can be a larger than life character, can work a lot of different styles, big. But he wallows in the gutter. You see guys who do comedy like EC3 kill it in the box office. He has that gift. But because it’s not comedy about having bad breath or shaving another man’s back, they don’t want any part of it. I swear the only things Vince finds funny are poop, bad breath, gay jokes and midgets. None of which I find remotely amusing.
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Post by benstudd on Jun 10, 2019 22:43:22 GMT -5
Really if you had told me years ago if there was somebody tailor-made for the WWE-type of entertainment it's EC3. Just give him a mic and let him heel it up. Something like what the Miz used to but even more.
I guess he's not tailor made for THIS WWE era. This absolutely clueless era.
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Post by Dub H on Jun 10, 2019 22:51:30 GMT -5
Apparently, they let him do a couple of dark matches with Maverick/Spud as his manager, and Vince hated it, probably because he doesn't like managers. I mean, EC3 and Spud got over most in Impact while working as a tandem, so it kind of begs the question why did you sign both of them if you hate what helped get both of them over?Because Triple H is on charge of hires but Vince of how to use then. Maybe Vince barely knows who is being hired when
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jun 10, 2019 22:55:15 GMT -5
That’s unprofessional, lol. But seriously.... what did this guy do to deserve this? Basically from the entire beginning, he’s been set up to fail. Random cameos in backstage segments and losing to Titus O’Neil on Main Event. And to think I thought he could have a Wrestlemania program with John Cena at one point. It’s baffling. He has to be the most misused guy on the roster by far. He’s good in the ring, good on the mic, can do comedy and serious AND he looks like an absolute Adonis. What’s missing? Dunno if I'd call him the most misused due to just how god damned long a list that is... (I think finding people that the WWE are using even semi-competently is probably only a handful of people....) But yeah... his strength is talking... so instead of letting him cut promos he was silent and always cut off when he was going to...
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Post by Dub H on Jun 10, 2019 23:02:17 GMT -5
That’s unprofessional, lol. But seriously.... what did this guy do to deserve this? Basically from the entire beginning, he’s been set up to fail. Random cameos in backstage segments and losing to Titus O’Neil on Main Event. And to think I thought he could have a Wrestlemania program with John Cena at one point. It’s baffling. He has to be the most misused guy on the roster by far. He’s good in the ring, good on the mic, can do comedy and serious AND he looks like an absolute Adonis. What’s missing? Dunno if I'd call him the most misused due to just how god damned long a list that is... (I think finding people that the WWE are using even semi-competently is probably only a handful of people....) But yeah... his strength is talking... so instead of letting him cut promos he was silent and always cut off when he was going to... misuse is in the small things too.Hawkins for example. All you needed was to use 5 minutes a show to build his story to his win at wrestlemania. The lack of follow up to big moments ot another issue entirely. But I believe you at least give everyone a shot for a big moment and give every big moment a follow up.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jun 10, 2019 23:15:09 GMT -5
Apparently, they let him do a couple of dark matches with Maverick/Spud as his manager, and Vince hated it, probably because he doesn't like managers. I mean, EC3 and Spud got over most in Impact while working as a tandem, so it kind of begs the question why did you sign both of them if you hate what helped get both of them over?Because Triple H is on charge of hires but Vince of how to use then. Maybe Vince barely knows who is being hired when God, then the system is even more broken than I thought; the idea that one guy can sign everyone, the other is in charge of all creative for the main roster, but that they're not communicating on which talents they're actually signing/bringing up from developmental and what their strengths are would be baffling in any other company but, hey, it's WWE.
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