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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2019 12:17:00 GMT -5
Maybe one day we'll have a thread about sexual harrassment that don't have someone discarding empathy so they can victim blame and nitpick actions with self-applied 'logical actions' like it's the B plot of a Star Wars movie. Not when it deals with wrestling sadly. I wish it were as you said but well, you know how people do.
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Post by The Ichi on Jul 14, 2019 12:50:11 GMT -5
I’m a victimim of repeated abuse and sexual assault, in my childhood before y’all start attacking me for having a logical solution to her problem l. Then you should know much, much better.
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Post by Juice on Jul 14, 2019 22:08:33 GMT -5
I’m a victimim of repeated abuse and sexual assault, in my childhood before y’all start attacking me for having a logical solution to her problem l. Nah dude you're not being attacked for anything, but I'm gonna get real a second here: being a victim does not make you immune to bad views and to utterly lacking in empathy toward other victims. The stuff you're bringing up right now is Sexual Harrassmment 101-level material. Especially somehow the idea that people being encouraged to act means that when they don't act it's fake. Like that is so blatantly and objectively not how some people work. Gonna repeat something I mentioned earlier in the thread; Fox as a network has been openly critical and dismissive of the entire #MeToo movement, and the politics of what they're presenting on screen is likely to echo ideals that guide the management of the company. Operating under the assumption everyone is helpful and immediately going to do the right thing is flawed from the start anywhere but especially at a place like Fox News, and using that flawed assumption as leverage to then dismiss victims' stories is a load of shit. If the world actually operated under that fairness then these sorts of power abuses wouldn't be a problem in the first place. And again, like. "Logical solution". There's so much context and subtext in that statement there that just. Man. It's cold. No dude I’m acting like this is fake or not a big deal. I’m saying that The Funkasauras is likely very low on the pecking order. And if she put her foot down fast she could have avoided a lot of trouble. Fox News is shit, but they aren’t gonna go down for Brody’s Clay when they wouldn’t go down for Bill.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Jul 15, 2019 3:05:44 GMT -5
They only backed down over Bill after the scandal grew, advertisers all withdrew and it was getting coverage overseas, jeopardising their buyout of Sky. It took a huge public outcry to get that response, anything less than that and they aren't going to do jack. The whole culture there is anti metoo, and they've shown they'll back their hosts, no matter what terrible thing they've said, done or openly support.
They fired O'reilly because they were left with no other choice, his canning was not a sign of a cultural shift, it only made it more entrenched as they've vowed to to pressure like that again.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Jul 15, 2019 4:51:55 GMT -5
Nah dude you're not being attacked for anything, but I'm gonna get real a second here: being a victim does not make you immune to bad views and to utterly lacking in empathy toward other victims. The stuff you're bringing up right now is Sexual Harrassmment 101-level material. Especially somehow the idea that people being encouraged to act means that when they don't act it's fake. Like that is so blatantly and objectively not how some people work. Gonna repeat something I mentioned earlier in the thread; Fox as a network has been openly critical and dismissive of the entire #MeToo movement, and the politics of what they're presenting on screen is likely to echo ideals that guide the management of the company. Operating under the assumption everyone is helpful and immediately going to do the right thing is flawed from the start anywhere but especially at a place like Fox News, and using that flawed assumption as leverage to then dismiss victims' stories is a load of shit. If the world actually operated under that fairness then these sorts of power abuses wouldn't be a problem in the first place. And again, like. "Logical solution". There's so much context and subtext in that statement there that just. Man. It's cold. No dude I’m acting like this is fake or not a big deal. I’m saying that The Funkasauras is likely very low on the pecking order. And if she put her foot down fast she could have avoided a lot of trouble.Fox News is shit, but they aren’t gonna go down for Brody’s Clay when they wouldn’t go down for Bill. Again, Steve Doocy is still there, and Gretchen Carlson named him in the suit against Roger Ailes. If they can sweep it under the rug they will. O'Reilly would still be there, if people didn't put pressure on the advertisers, causing advertisers to pull out.
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Post by sfvega on Jul 15, 2019 7:06:05 GMT -5
They only backed down over Bill after the scandal grew, advertisers all withdrew and it was getting coverage overseas, jeopardising their buyout of Sky. It took a huge public outcry to get that response, anything less than that and they aren't going to do jack. The whole culture there is anti metoo, and they've shown they'll back their hosts, no matter what terrible thing they've said, done or openly support. They fired O'reilly because they were left with no other choice, his canning was not a sign of a cultural shift, it only made it more entrenched as they've vowed to to pressure like that again. The thing is O'Reilly was a gigantic cash cow and industry staple for Fox News. It took a large outcry and many scandals for them to do something because they are run by a large corportation and therefore are soulless money-chasers. The thing is though, in this climate, who would risk a controversy over Brodus freakin Clay? A guy who is pretty famous for getting released at this point, and also the big thing here, doesn't make them tons of money.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Jul 15, 2019 8:52:05 GMT -5
They only backed down over Bill after the scandal grew, advertisers all withdrew and it was getting coverage overseas, jeopardising their buyout of Sky. It took a huge public outcry to get that response, anything less than that and they aren't going to do jack. The whole culture there is anti metoo, and they've shown they'll back their hosts, no matter what terrible thing they've said, done or openly support. They fired O'reilly because they were left with no other choice, his canning was not a sign of a cultural shift, it only made it more entrenched as they've vowed to to pressure like that again. The thing is O'Reilly was a gigantic cash cow and industry staple for Fox News. It took a large outcry and many scandals for them to do something because they are run by a large corportation and therefore are soulless money-chasers. The thing is though, in this climate, who would risk a controversy over Brodus freakin Clay? A guy who is pretty famous for getting released at this point, and also the big thing here, doesn't make them tons of money. Fox news. They'rerun with the same mindset as the WWE, they don't want to take another loss after Ailes and o'Reilly no matter how low down they are, because the question will be asked 'If you fired Tyrus, why didn't you fire Doucey or whatever higher profile fox news is caught doing this next.' They've lost a lot of major advertisers because of the sexual harassment and out and out racism, yet the wagons remained circled tight and they're not going to sack anyone for their misdeeds, no matter what. Seriously, how many Fox hosts have been canned since O'Reilly after scandals and massive public outcries have decimated their ad revenue? Ingraham? Still there. Hannity? Still there. Judge Jeanine? Still there. Tyrus was given a new show after this came to light, no suspension, new show. That says it all.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jul 15, 2019 10:56:32 GMT -5
They only backed down over Bill after the scandal grew, advertisers all withdrew and it was getting coverage overseas, jeopardising their buyout of Sky. It took a huge public outcry to get that response, anything less than that and they aren't going to do jack. The whole culture there is anti metoo, and they've shown they'll back their hosts, no matter what terrible thing they've said, done or openly support. They fired O'reilly because they were left with no other choice, his canning was not a sign of a cultural shift, it only made it more entrenched as they've vowed to to pressure like that again. The thing is O'Reilly was a gigantic cash cow and industry staple for Fox News. It took a large outcry and many scandals for them to do something because they are run by a large corportation and therefore are soulless money-chasers. The thing is though, in this climate, who would risk a controversy over Brodus freakin Clay? A guy who is pretty famous for getting released at this point, and also the big thing here, doesn't make them tons of money. They risk the controversy because it's just standard operating procedure to keep things quiet. Brodus Clay is low on the totem pole and so their solution is to shuffle him around and move him somewhere else instead of digging in and keeping him there, that isn't actually. That's all that not being the focal point of the network changes for him. When there is a culture supportive of sexual harrassment, they know there's risks to keeping it secret, but they do it anyway. That's sort of the entire point of the past few years. A lot of people in power don't care, or are themselves sex pests, or will go to bat for their friends/money makers and bury the dark secrets behind it. To that end, yeah sure Brodus Clay isn't a Bill O'Reilly level ratings draw for them, but he also was also just harassing his co-star, this wasn't as big a situation to try and contain as O'Reilly's was, and therefore he hadn't yet become enough of a problem to cut loose. THe MeToo movement hasn't just magically fixed all the problems and all the shitty people. There are companies changing things and taking out the trash, but there's other companies who aren't doing anything of the sort and openly resent this entire shift away from men being able to harass women sexually. Like this has to keep being said: Fox News anchors dismiss and insult the movement literally on television and if they can hold that already pretty shitty position in front-facing news segments can you imagine what the actual corporate culture might be in its attitudes toward this? Like come on. This is all about dragging out into the light people who in many cases have been protected and sheltered from hell by the power structures they serve if they aren't outright the power structure, and there's always going to be people who are garbage slime. When you don't really value women, or think it's all good fun and ha ha funny, or see women as a bargaining chip and reward for men who do well, then damn right a lot of awful people are going to work to hide it rather than accept external controversy means this probably isn't a good idea and should change.
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Jul 15, 2019 13:42:57 GMT -5
Nah dude you're not being attacked for anything, but I'm gonna get real a second here: being a victim does not make you immune to bad views and to utterly lacking in empathy toward other victims. The stuff you're bringing up right now is Sexual Harrassmment 101-level material. Especially somehow the idea that people being encouraged to act means that when they don't act it's fake. Like that is so blatantly and objectively not how some people work. Gonna repeat something I mentioned earlier in the thread; Fox as a network has been openly critical and dismissive of the entire #MeToo movement, and the politics of what they're presenting on screen is likely to echo ideals that guide the management of the company. Operating under the assumption everyone is helpful and immediately going to do the right thing is flawed from the start anywhere but especially at a place like Fox News, and using that flawed assumption as leverage to then dismiss victims' stories is a load of shit. If the world actually operated under that fairness then these sorts of power abuses wouldn't be a problem in the first place. And again, like. "Logical solution". There's so much context and subtext in that statement there that just. Man. It's cold. No dude I’m acting like this is fake or not a big deal. I’m saying that The Funkasauras is likely very low on the pecking order. And if she put her foot down fast she could have avoided a lot of trouble. Fox News is shit, but they aren’t gonna go down for Brody’s Clay when they wouldn’t go down for Bill. Faced with this accusation and the evidence behind it, their response was to give him his own show. And you think their reaction would have been different back then because why?
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Post by eJm on Jul 15, 2019 13:45:25 GMT -5
If we can avoid quoting the respective poster about this matter since basically they won’t be able to respond.
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Post by Chainsaw on Jul 15, 2019 14:05:05 GMT -5
Off topic, It's funny, I've been here long enough to remember when he was G-Rilla in DSW, and we all knew he sucked as a wrestler back then.
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Post by edgestar on Jul 15, 2019 14:19:55 GMT -5
I’m a victimim of repeated abuse and sexual assault, in my childhood before y’all start attacking me for having a logical solution to her problem l. Nah dude you're not being attacked for anything, but I'm gonna get real a second here: being a victim does not make you immune to bad views and to utterly lacking in empathy toward other victims. The stuff you're bringing up right now is Sexual Harrassmment 101-level material. Especially somehow the idea that people being encouraged to act means that when they don't act it's fake. Like that is so blatantly and objectively not how some people work. Gonna repeat something I mentioned earlier in the thread; Fox as a network has been openly critical and dismissive of the entire #MeToo movement, and the politics of what they're presenting on screen is likely to echo ideals that guide the management of the company. Operating under the assumption everyone is helpful and immediately going to do the right thing is flawed from the start anywhere but especially at a place like Fox News, and using that flawed assumption as leverage to then dismiss victims' stories is a load of shit. If the world actually operated under that fairness then these sorts of power abuses wouldn't be a problem in the first place. And again, like. "Logical solution". There's so much context and subtext in that statement there that just. Man. It's cold. I was mentally abused by a manager, because he didn't like that I was slow (my brain is slower, not slow, because of laziness) and used my health, to his advantage. I wouldn't sleep, if I knew he was working with me, the next day, and he was always calling me into the office, for things like blinking, while giving a customer, their bag. I was extremely nervous about reporting him, but, I had to do it for my well being, and also because I felt like I needed to protect coworkers from his attitude. That being said, he's no longer in the same store. Corporate kind of stepped in, with a "rule", that he could no longer be around me. Even though I had my own harassment, I would not victim shame because it has happened to me, I wouldn't shame, because I just want to be a good person.
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