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Post by bmfjules on Jul 1, 2019 11:49:36 GMT -5
Maybe someone can point out how I'm wrong here and I'd be willing to admit it, but yikes, what a monumental waste those first few months after winning the title proved to be.
His first PPV match post-Hogan is against Curt Hennig, who I love, but he was far from being over or pushed at the level to co-headline with Goldberg at that time. Then his second PPV match the next month is winning a clusterf*** battle royal against the NWO. Except for the impersonator match against Jericho, he's not even booked on Fall Brawl.
The match with DDP at Halloween Havoc is finally a good PPV main event feature for him (but because it's WCW of course, the PPV cuts out the finish)
Of course he's also not booked at World War III, the final PPV before his date with Disco Inferno's cattle prod.
Seriously. What an epic waste of the hottest guy in the company at that time.
Out of six PPVs, he's not even booked on two of them, stuck in a battle royal at one, stuck with a mid carder in another, has one decent main event match and loses to Nash.
Just looking for A: someone to defend this in a way that makes it make sense, or B: book Goldberg's post title win 98 in a way that doesn't squander the biggest money maker they have at the time. (For the purposes of this re-book, you can alter the Hogan win to be on PPV if you wish.)
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Post by chazraps on Jul 1, 2019 21:31:42 GMT -5
Goldberg's deal allowed him to have Fall Brawl and WW3 off, so there's nothing they really could do to book him on the show. He was refusing to do it.
Hennig was a good call for his first PPV defense as he just won the belt and Hennig could make sure he looked like a million bucks. Considering that match was already set and Rodman/Malone was always going to be the headlining main event angle regardless, this was a best case scenario.
The real waste is that this was Goldberg's ONLY WCW World title reign, which is utterly baffling considering he was as over as anyone's ever been and needed to be WCW's flagship. Even in their dying dreadful days they didn't put the belt on him once. Just baffling.
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Post by Rolent Tex on Jul 1, 2019 21:46:45 GMT -5
I enjoyed the whole Goldberg vs nWo battle royale. Goldberg was already a badass but that was just awesome to me. Dude was just chilling bored with no title defense booked, sees nWo Hollywood and nWo Wolfpac quibbling like some little bitches and wants in on that.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jul 1, 2019 22:00:28 GMT -5
The bigger problem was that Goldberg wasn't doing enough on Nitro, either.
Hogan post-Georgia Dome was arguably worse than Triple H post-Wrestlemania XX; he drops the belt, probably played up doing it begrudgingly, then used that as ammo to spend the next x-number of months ensuring that he was the center of the weekly show and main evented most of the PPVs, despite not being champion. It was worse in Hogan's case, though, given that Goldberg was WCW's ticket to getting back into being fully competitive with WWF, and the guy didn't even really have a serious feud to speak of the whole time during his reign outside of a vague, general "he'll take on both nWo's" thing that never really developed well.
EDIT: Come to think of it, THERE'S my rebooking. Go ahead with the nWo split, have team Hollywood and team Wolfpac. I guess even let the Wolfpac go babyface since, to be fair, the crowd reactions dictated that, much as even 13 year old me thought it was stupid (not to mention that Sting and Lex had no reason to be there).
They teased at some points that DDP was thinking of joining the Wolfpac, but he never did. Nah, go back on that: make Goldberg and Page the stalwarts who steadfastly refuse having anything to do with either squad (though maybe Page can play up being more sympathetic toward his old friend Nash), and particularly have Goldberg make a point of saying he doesn't care what colors either side wears, he'll slaughter any of them on sight. It's not that he's all super pro-WCW, let Page of the reunited Four Horsemen be that, but Goldberg sees the nWo war as wasteful, distracting, and preventing him from having the kind of matches he wants to have, since they keep butting into each other's business via run ins and backstage beatdowns.
Thus, Goldberg gets a lengthy reign where his PPV defenses revolve around bigger nWo names on either side, rather than just Hennig at BotB and Nash at Starrcade, and the random matchups on Nitro that never end definitively...I mean, the first Sting vs. Goldberg match was done on free TV and ended when Bret Hart interfered to attack Sting, I think. That's no good.
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Post by cabbageboy on Jul 1, 2019 22:43:25 GMT -5
It's very simple: He shouldn't have been champ when he was. Personally I would have figured out a way to get everyone in the NWO to screw him at like Halloween Havoc 1998 vs. Scott Steiner or something just to get the U.S. off him. Now WW3 is next and he can just unleash hell on these clowns and destroy every man in 3 rings in order to lay claim to the world title at Starrcade against Hogan. Hogan and DDP never even had a decent blow off to their feud, so keep the title on Hogan and let DDP win Wargames as he already did, don't bother signing Warrior at all, do Hogan/DDP at Havoc with Hogan cheating to win. Goldberg dethrones Hogan at Starrcade and begins his run as champion, and then you can still do a unified NWO angle later without a Fingerpoke to set up a bunch of challengers for Goldberg in 1999 (including Steiner, who gave him his lone loss).
That would have been infinitely better than what they did do.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2019 1:10:59 GMT -5
My answer to 98 is always a early finger poke moment leading to reunited NWO vs. WCW winner take all...
NWO:
Hogan, Hall, Nash, Hart, and Luger
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WCW:
Goldberg, Warrior, Sting, DDP, and Piper
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Post by Sephiroth on Jul 2, 2019 4:49:35 GMT -5
Goldberg's deal allowed him to have Fall Brawl and WW3 off, so there's nothing they really could do to book him on the show. He was refusing to do it. Hennig was a good call for his first PPV defense as he just won the belt and Hennig could make sure he looked like a million bucks. Considering that match was already set and Rodman/Malone was always going to be the headlining main event angle regardless, this was a best case scenario. The real waste is that this was Goldberg's ONLY WCW World title reign, which is utterly baffling considering he was as over as anyone's ever been and needed to be WCW's flagship. Even in their dying dreadful days they didn't put the belt on him once. Just baffling. Agree and disagree. Henning was def a solid pick, as he was always one of the most capable hands in the ring. But there was another choice every bit as good and who had arguably had more credibility and who was probably even more wasted in WCW than Henning: Bret Hart. A Bret vs Goldberg for the title match when Bret still had some passion in him and was fresh off runs as US champion could have been a license to print money. |
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Post by Rolent Tex on Jul 2, 2019 7:46:43 GMT -5
It's very simple: He shouldn't have been champ when he was. Personally I would have figured out a way to get everyone in the NWO to screw him at like Halloween Havoc 1998 vs. Scott Steiner or something just to get the U.S. off him. Now WW3 is next and he can just unleash hell on these clowns and destroy every man in 3 rings in order to lay claim to the world title at Starrcade against Hogan. Hogan and DDP never even had a decent blow off to their feud, so keep the title on Hogan and let DDP win Wargames as he already did, don't bother signing Warrior at all, do Hogan/DDP at Havoc with Hogan cheating to win. Goldberg dethrones Hogan at Starrcade and begins his run as champion, and then you can still do a unified NWO angle later without a Fingerpoke to set up a bunch of challengers for Goldberg in 1999 (including Steiner, who gave him his lone loss). That would have been infinitely better than what they did do. They pissed away a huge Starrcade buyrate, but man did I mark out when he went for that Jackhammer. |
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Post by cabbageboy on Jul 2, 2019 10:31:51 GMT -5
Hennig was fine since that match was already booked before they did the title change, so he got a backdoor title shot.
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Post by chronocross on Jul 2, 2019 10:50:34 GMT -5
Hennig was fine since that match was already booked before they did the title change, so he got a backdoor title shot. Pretty much, the match was originally advertised for the Great American Bash 98 PPV in June, Hennig was hurt so Konnan subbed for him that night and Hennig was slated for a U.S title shot that night until Goldberg's World title win on the Nitro before the PPV. He wasn't booked in a match at the WW3 PPV, but he did appear saving Rick Steiner from Bagwell/Poppa Pump and later facing off with Bam Bam in another pull-apart brawl. As for Bill winning the title when he did, if they built it up over a few months and announce it for Starrcade, it would've definitely got a huge buyrate. |
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Post by chazraps on Jul 2, 2019 16:19:41 GMT -5
Goldberg's deal allowed him to have Fall Brawl and WW3 off, so there's nothing they really could do to book him on the show. He was refusing to do it. Hennig was a good call for his first PPV defense as he just won the belt and Hennig could make sure he looked like a million bucks. Considering that match was already set and Rodman/Malone was always going to be the headlining main event angle regardless, this was a best case scenario. The real waste is that this was Goldberg's ONLY WCW World title reign, which is utterly baffling considering he was as over as anyone's ever been and needed to be WCW's flagship. Even in their dying dreadful days they didn't put the belt on him once. Just baffling. Agree and disagree. Henning was def a solid pick, as he was always one of the most capable hands in the ring. But there was another choice every bit as good and who had arguably had more credibility and who was probably even more wasted in WCW than Henning: Bret Hart. A Bret vs Goldberg for the title match when Bret still had some passion in him and was fresh off runs as US champion could have been a license to print money. Bret vs Goldberg with less than a two week build on the same night as a Rodman-Malone main event? Wouldn't that be a bit of a waste? |
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Post by Sephiroth on Jul 2, 2019 17:18:22 GMT -5
Agree and disagree. Henning was def a solid pick, as he was always one of the most capable hands in the ring. But there was another choice every bit as good and who had arguably had more credibility and who was probably even more wasted in WCW than Henning: Bret Hart. A Bret vs Goldberg for the title match when Bret still had some passion in him and was fresh off runs as US champion could have been a license to print money. Bret vs Goldberg with less than a two week build on the same night as a Rodman-Malone main event? Wouldn't that be a bit of a waste? Bret vs Goldberg well before that, or even in place of Nash vs Goldberg |
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Post by chazraps on Jul 2, 2019 17:20:30 GMT -5
Bret vs Goldberg with less than a two week build on the same night as a Rodman-Malone main event? Wouldn't that be a bit of a waste? Bret vs Goldberg well before that, or even in place of Nash vs Goldberg We're talking bash at the beach '98. |
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