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Post by romanstylesiii on Jul 9, 2019 0:13:45 GMT -5
Same lazy booking tropes.
Can they just tell fans who is booking ahead of time? If it's Vince, I can just save the time and skip the show
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Post by ayumidah on Jul 9, 2019 0:15:50 GMT -5
yep it did.
And someone noted Heyman was active on twitter throughout the show, whereas last week he didn't tweet much or at all, so I guess that's another sign.
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Post by madness50 on Jul 9, 2019 0:17:21 GMT -5
Thank God for the Home Run Derby tonight.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2019 0:23:54 GMT -5
Can't wait for the reports on tonight's Raw. You knew something was up with it.
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Post by Cyno on Jul 9, 2019 0:30:12 GMT -5
Watch as the whole Heyman booking Raw/Bischoff booking Smackdown thing is already shelved because the entire company is seemingly run on the whims of a 73 year old man.
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Post by 111111 on Jul 9, 2019 1:04:31 GMT -5
last week felt like a Vince show as well.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Jul 9, 2019 1:12:08 GMT -5
Yeah, it definitely felt like Vince was fully back in charge with the exception of the Cesaro/Jose squash.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2019 4:12:58 GMT -5
Nope, if Heyman is going to go on twitter and retweet praise from last week's Raw saying how great he is then he should get criticism when there's a shit Raw.
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Post by thechase on Jul 9, 2019 4:25:07 GMT -5
Felt like a Vince (Russo) RAW
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Post by Dub H on Jul 9, 2019 7:03:55 GMT -5
Some things like the pregnancy angle ,ricochet being pushed strong feels very much like Heyman.
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Post by Dub H on Jul 9, 2019 7:05:34 GMT -5
Nope, if Heyman is going to go on twitter and retweet praise from last week's Raw saying how great he is then he should get criticism when there's a shit Raw. I read someone say that every good change was going to be attributed to heyman and bad things would be to Vince. I defended YOU PEOPLE ( INSERT BOOS) saying it wasnt gonna be so.But two weeks in and it is in full effect. |
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Post by thechase on Jul 9, 2019 7:29:59 GMT -5
Some things like the pregnancy angle ,ricochet being pushed strong feels very much like Heyman. Cedric being involved in the tag main event seems like a Heyman thing, but the finish felt like a Vince thing. |
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Post by theironyuppie on Jul 9, 2019 7:41:03 GMT -5
Nope, if Heyman is going to go on twitter and retweet praise from last week's Raw saying how great he is then he should get criticism when there's a shit Raw. I read someone say that every good change was going to be attributed to heyman and bad things would be to Vince. I defended YOU PEOPLE ( INSERT BOOS) saying it wasnt gonna be so.But two weeks in and it is in full effect. It’s the same logic as ‘everything Vince does is wrong’, when fans just act like he had nothing to do with the parts they like, which is silly given that if he’s as stubborn and controlling as often portrayed, those parts would not have happened without his choices. |
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Post by deezy on Jul 9, 2019 8:22:23 GMT -5
Nope, if Heyman is going to go on twitter and retweet praise from last week's Raw saying how great he is then he should get criticism when there's a shit Raw. 100% agree |
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Post by dpg on Jul 9, 2019 10:19:32 GMT -5
Nope, if Heyman is going to go on twitter and retweet praise from last week's Raw saying how great he is then he should get criticism when there's a shit Raw. If he takes the praise he has to take the boos. |
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Post by Venti on Jul 9, 2019 10:25:16 GMT -5
As much as I'd like to give Heyman credit for the good stuff, and blame ol Vinnie Mac for the crap... we all know Vince has final say. The good stuff last week was approved by him as well as the utter drek that was last night's Raw.
Until significant changes come to their power structure, everything is on Vince.
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Post by eJm on Jul 9, 2019 10:27:08 GMT -5
As much as I'd like to give Heyman credit for the good stuff, and blame ol Vinnie Mac for the crap... we all know Vince has final say. The good stuff last week was approved by him as well as the utter drek that was last night's Raw. Yeah, it’s hard for me to do that for that reason. And with how he seems to be, he could like something one minute and by showtime want it changed completely. Again, if this leads to him running the XFL and just rubber stamping stuff and putting trust in people not himself, great. It probably won’t, though. |
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Post by Venti on Jul 9, 2019 10:33:57 GMT -5
As much as I'd like to give Heyman credit for the good stuff, and blame ol Vinnie Mac for the crap... we all know Vince has final say. The good stuff last week was approved by him as well as the utter drek that was last night's Raw. Yeah, it’s hard for me to do that for that reason. And with how he seems to be, he could like something one minute and by showtime want it changed completely. Again, if this leads to him running the XFL and just rubber stamping stuff and putting trust in people not himself, great. It probably won’t, though. Honestly I wonder if this is his plan to let go the reigns a bit on WWE, and focus on XFL. I mean, he's not 55 anymore. Running both companies in 2001 left everyone involved including McMahon absolutely exhausted. No matter how much of a workaholic he is, I just can't imagine someone my grandfather's age running two big companies at once, especially since he's probably got a personal mission to prove something w/ the new XFL. |
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jul 9, 2019 10:41:15 GMT -5
I think Heyman deserves crap for when things are bad too, but I also think if it feels like he didn't make the Raw then that is what it is, and furthermore Vince still deserves ultimate blame for everything going on no matter what because Vince is still the control freak overseeing everything. Like if it comes out Heyman did or didn't have an active hand in the production rfor one reason or another I think that's absolutely worth discussing and examining as an extension of what these alleged changes actually mean or if they'll be a net good for the product or not. That's worth talking about. People did say that the pregnancy angle felt like Heyman and those who very much didn't like have been pretty direct in blaming Heyman. The conversation about if Heyman is good or not is already happening, I don't think we need the Vince defense squad in here trying to drag Heyman back into a discussion that kicked off with "it felt like this epsidoe was back to more of the same old Vince shit".
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Post by Dub H on Jul 9, 2019 10:48:45 GMT -5
I think Heyman deserves crap for when things are bad too, but I also think if it feels like he didn't make the Raw then that is what it is, and furthermore Vince still deserves ultimate blame for everything going on no matter what because Vince is still the control freak overseeing everything. Like if it comes out Heyman did or didn't have an active hand in the production rfor one reason or another I think that's absolutely worth discussing and examining as an extension of what these alleged changes actually mean or if they'll be a net good for the product or not. That's worth talking about. People did say that the pregnancy angle felt like Heyman and those who very much didn't like have been pretty direct in blaming Heyman. The conversation about if Heyman is good or not is already happening, I don't think we need the Vince defense squad in here trying to drag Heyman back into a discussion that kicked off with "it felt like this epsidoe was back to more of the same old Vince shit". Nobody is defending Vince Vince is worse than Heyman but Heyman is also not a helping force in that position(as far my opinion goes) |
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