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Post by horsemen4ever on Jul 12, 2019 21:53:25 GMT -5
So what is your opinion on Disney's adaption of fairy tales and lack of staying true to the source material. Obviously it works for them,it makes them money, but creatively what stories do you think Disney made better and what stories you think they made worse?
There is no right or wrong answer depends on the story, depends on what you want. you want dark griddiness, stick to the original, you want something more possitive, go with Disney.
Let me start with the first one, Snow White, they made changes and they made Snow White more of a Sleeping Beauty ripoff than it should be, and heck when Sleeping Beauty did come out I wonder how many people called that a Snow White ripoff. Heck part of my childhood I thought the two characters were one and the same.
Beauty and the Beast they made changes, they eliminated the sisters I guess they would be seen as ripoffs of the stepsisters from Cinderella. Granted in the source materials, their roles are different, the step sisters are a big opsticle in Cindy or Ella's story, heck more so than the step mother, there have been many version in which there is no evil parental figure and it is just Ella and the step sisters heck the first Diseny adaption a 1920's short used that formula, while in Beauty and the Beast the sisters are just a nuicent and not really a big part of the plot, so them being written didn't really change much.
And Frozen can you really call it an adaption of the Snow Queen, that being said I loved that movie, but as an adaption it not a good adaption.
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Post by Paul on Jul 12, 2019 22:01:06 GMT -5
I don't care as long as the movie is entertaining and hopefully has good songs if it's a musical. If I want to read the original stories or historical information I can always do that.
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Post by Z-A Sandbaggin' Son of a b!%@h on Jul 12, 2019 22:04:51 GMT -5
They are made for kids. And they have a formula. I grew up watching them and love them. I also appreciate “real” fairy tales. But think Disney is great.
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Jul 12, 2019 22:32:44 GMT -5
As long as the movie is good, I don't really care. Same is true for any adaptation, as long as it's good it doesn't have to be faithful to the books (Ready Player One was a blast, but completely different than the books).
And for the most park, Disney movies are good and fun. I can't think of many that I'd say are bad.
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Jul 12, 2019 22:40:11 GMT -5
I thought the Disney movies were the correct, original stories from my earliest memories until I was older. It doesn't bother me the slightest that they aren't faithful adaptations as they are the only iterations of the tales I have come across, or rather, care to come across.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2019 23:04:33 GMT -5
A lot of the time the edits Disney makes are for the better. Like for instance, the ring genie is just a stupid, weird extra wrinkle in Aladdin that basically removes a lot of the sense of wonder from the lamp one.
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Post by IgnahtaSempria on Jul 13, 2019 0:39:08 GMT -5
I wouldn't say they made it worse, but I think it would have been interesting if they had written Frollo from 'The Hunchback of Notre Dame' closer to the source material: a good man whose life has been defined by his faith, suddenly having his entire worldview shaken by feelings of lust and love that he's never experienced and has believed his whole life to be inherently sinful.
Granted, that might be a little too morally complex for a children's movie, and 'Racist Hypocritical Religious Zealot' is a much easier villain to hate, but sometimes it doesn't hurt to have a couple shades of grey. The happier ending was a better choice, though.
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Post by schma on Jul 13, 2019 1:19:55 GMT -5
Real fairy tales existed before childhood as most people today understand the concept was really a thing. Back then children were basically smaller, weaker adults. I'm fine with Disney putting their own spin on things, especially since others are still free to make their own version that is truer to the source material. There's also the fact that before the Grimms, fairy tales were largely an oral tradition and often followed simple rules but there were large numbers of variants for each story. Heck even the Grimms put their own spin on things (mostly in the evil stepmother trope). Typically they taught a lesson of sorts but even initially they were told by adults and were not really 'for kids'. The concept of fair tales being for kids is a 20th century convention.
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Post by ayumidah on Jul 13, 2019 5:04:33 GMT -5
Well, as someone who read most of the origin fairytales when I was still pretty young, I think it's ok if there are lighthearted, colorful adaptions that are a little less traumatizing, haha.
For example, my mother's friend absolutely hated cartoons and decided, since at the time I was obsessed with Hunchback of Notre Dame, maybe I'd like to watch the real life movie, without knowing how it ended. So we watched it and it wrecked both of us, I cried the whole way home. Haha. It was comforting to have the cartoon version that I was familiar with to rewatch where none of THAT other movie happened.
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Post by Drillbit Taylor on Jul 16, 2019 22:16:01 GMT -5
Same reason I refuse to go to things like renaissance fairs or Dickens festivals.Lack of authenticcity. I want begger children and opium and hookers on corners not sanitized things with odd larping tossed in. News flash no one dressed as slutty Iron man in that period.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jul 17, 2019 2:51:39 GMT -5
The viewpoint that being wholly faithful to the original when adapting something is a faulty one as it is.
These things are not the same medium. Some things work in a book and not a movie and vice versa.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Jul 17, 2019 3:03:54 GMT -5
Same reason I refuse to go to things like renaissance fairs or Dickens festivals.Lack of authenticcity. I want begger children and opium and hookers on corners not sanitized things with odd larping tossed in. News flash no one dressed as slutty Iron man in that period.Records from that era can be spotty.
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Post by crashmatsbazz on Jul 17, 2019 7:16:20 GMT -5
try and adapt the little mermaid without making kids cry and giving them proper full on nightmares.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Jul 17, 2019 7:48:07 GMT -5
They should've just let Max brutally kill Powerline like he did in the original graphic novel that Garth Ennis wrote that "A Goofy Movie" was based on. Completely undercuts the entire message of the story when he doesn't.
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