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Post by A Platypus Rave on Aug 5, 2019 14:04:47 GMT -5
This is the way you're supposed to handle it. That said, Roman's got that Cena perspective of, "I don't think the creative is bad because I can veto what I want to veto." it's also not relevant to the discussion. Dean flat out said he vetoed things... it's part of where the good shit meme came from. Also the line that Dean refused to say about Roman's cancer.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Aug 5, 2019 14:05:36 GMT -5
I saw a lot of people saying that Seth should have just disagreed with Moxley and did it in a nicer way than trashing him and well, here's Reigns doing exactly what yall said Seth should have done. Shoutout to Reigns. He also goes into detail with how his road to recovery's been. Damn, dude's been having it rough. Glad to see he's back though. But that's the thing about what Jon said, he tried to speak up and do what was right for him, but from what Jon said, they wouldn't listen and wasn't allowed to change anything about his character. It came down to, he didn't want to play the idiot but that's all the WWE wanted him to be. The same way Cody left because the WWE only wanted him to be Stardust and Cody wanted to go a different direction.
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Post by Jake, The Jake, Jake on Aug 5, 2019 14:06:21 GMT -5
Weekly...Daily we see creative decisions that should be vetoed because they don't do any favors for the wrestlers involved. Whether that person wins or loses. I'd like to see the ratio of "good ideas shot down" to "bad ideas that wrestlers just have to work through". And how many times a wrestler tried to change something and was told to do what you're told. And since scripts for shows are rewritten hours of, if not while the show is happening, when does a person even have a chance to address things before they go live? Aside from that, Roman did well answering such a loaded question. Yeah, I think Roman gave a well spoken, diplomatic, wrong answer. And I don't think there was any malice in him being wrong, but I just don't think he HEARD what Mox was saying, or he lacks the context to see the situation from Mox's viewpoint. Or he’s enough a company guy that he knows what to say to the press to make WWE look good. Or probably some combination of all three.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Aug 5, 2019 14:19:57 GMT -5
Also loving the, "Jon Moxley? Oh, you mean Dean Ambrose?" thing going on here, Rollins does it too.
I assume they were calling him Ambrose while they ran together, so it's not really a big deal. I just think it's funny that the interviewers says Jon Moxley, then Roman and Seth respond with Dean Ambrose.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Aug 5, 2019 14:22:41 GMT -5
Also loving the, "Jon Moxley? Oh, you mean Dean Ambrose?" thing going on here, Rollins does it too. I assume they were calling him Ambrose while they ran together, so it's not really a big deal. I just think it's funny that the interviewers says Jon Moxley, then Roman and Seth respond with Dean Ambrose. My understanding wrestlers usually call each other whatever gimmick they met as. like people would call Mick, Cactus even when it had been years since he used it... so it is probably at least that partially.
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Post by "Magic" Mark Hurr on Aug 5, 2019 14:23:27 GMT -5
I also request that the Superman Punch be renamed the "Watch ya mooouuuuf!"
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Post by Perd on Aug 5, 2019 14:31:11 GMT -5
While his take is better than Seth’s, he’s still wrong. It’s an intellectual fallacy to assume everyone’s experience is the same as yours. Saying “all you gotta do is what I do” is a load of crap. Because it assumes that everyone is viewed by management in the same light as you are. I guarantee you Roman Reigns has more leeway to say “I’m not doing that” than does Kalisto.
And, according to Dean, he did mask his displeasure known on many occasions. He got tired of being ignored and left. All he talked about on the podcast, was his own experience .
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Post by 111111 on Aug 5, 2019 14:34:36 GMT -5
Maybe I’m more old school than I thought but I don’t like my wrestlers being corporate spokespeople in their off time.
There’s a way to say to enjoy your job or whatever without sounding like a drone who has been coached on what to say.
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Post by Dub H on Aug 5, 2019 14:35:45 GMT -5
Pretty mature response
But again,just to debate his point,not against his delivery:
It is easy to say "there is nothing wrong" when you have the machine fully behind you. I disagree that all three of then had the same equity.
Ambrose was clearly seem by Vince as the lesser Shield member and probably didn't have a lot of the same liberties they had because of it.
I like to think when Ambrose spoke about it he also didn`t speak from just his view. The top guys probably live in a whole different world from the mid-bottom card.They won`t be fired or depushed because Vince didn`t like his pants that one day.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Aug 5, 2019 14:37:06 GMT -5
Honestly, you really know Roman's good for the PR job because when asked a question way more meant to spike up his feelings about the idea his boss wrote something so disgusting for his friend to say about his cancer that said friend said the show would be off the air if he said it, Roman pivots into talking about creative and acknowledging none of the actual meat of the issue. Dude's been coached hard on that one.
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Post by Dub H on Aug 5, 2019 14:43:05 GMT -5
Also loving the, "Jon Moxley? Oh, you mean Dean Ambrose?" thing going on here, Rollins does it too. I assume they were calling him Ambrose while they ran together, so it's not really a big deal. I just think it's funny that the interviewers says Jon Moxley, then Roman and Seth respond with Dean Ambrose. That really is more a personal issue.Maybe Moxley doesn't care at all but it can be seen as a few people as disrespectful,as demeaning who you are NOW. But again,just a personal thing I won't say THAT is the situation but it can give that impression to people ,especially if they want to look for a reason.
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Post by Dub H on Aug 5, 2019 14:43:51 GMT -5
I respect his side and how well spoken it is, however I just can't understand defending the creative. Part of the stuff Moxley was complaining about was shit like the show being rewritten half a dozen times right up to and even during show time. Defend the content of creative if you want, but don't deny that this process is broken. We need a Wrestling Nightmare with Gordon Ramsay.
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Post by Ecks Ecks Ringout Ecks Ecks on Aug 5, 2019 14:46:47 GMT -5
About as good a response as can be expected, but yeah, Roman's in a privileged position when it comes to his place in the creative process. I'm sure he knows that, too, but he's obligated to speak positively of the company, and certainly isn't going to throw them under the bus while he's positioned as the top guy.
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Post by Chainsaw on Aug 5, 2019 14:54:57 GMT -5
I respect his side and how well spoken it is, however I just can't understand defending the creative. Part of the stuff Moxley was complaining about was shit like the show being rewritten half a dozen times right up to and even during show time. Defend the content of creative if you want, but don't deny that this process is broken. Prime example being the story going around that Vince had the writers come in at the last minute on Tuesday to rewrite SD entirely, and what did we get out of it and who did it involve? And now the whole thing may have been written off just like that, because...it was dumb.
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Post by schma on Aug 5, 2019 14:56:48 GMT -5
This is the way you're supposed to handle it. That said, Roman's got that Cena perspective of, "I don't think the creative is bad because I can veto what I want to veto." I would say the one point in Roman's favour is that he acknowledged that not everybody has the sway to veto things. Cena just kinda said don't do it if you don't want to while Roman acknowledged that you have to work to a position where you have that clout and when you're starting out, it's probably better to keep your head down and do what you're told. I do appreciate that aspect as so many of the guys who've been on top forget that part where you're just one of the guys.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Aug 5, 2019 15:00:07 GMT -5
Even if it looks like Roman missed the point of Mox's interview, he at least responded the right way
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Post by Mozenrath on Aug 5, 2019 15:01:02 GMT -5
Also loving the, "Jon Moxley? Oh, you mean Dean Ambrose?" thing going on here, Rollins does it too. I assume they were calling him Ambrose while they ran together, so it's not really a big deal. I just think it's funny that the interviewers says Jon Moxley, then Roman and Seth respond with Dean Ambrose. Yeah, it's probably that, like how guys who worked with Foley in WCW often call him "Cactus" reflexively. It's just ingrained.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2019 15:02:15 GMT -5
I saw a lot of people saying that Seth should have just disagreed with Moxley and did it in a nicer way than trashing him and well, here's Reigns doing exactly what yall said Seth should have done. Shoutout to Reigns. He also goes into detail with how his road to recovery's been. Damn, dude's been having it rough. Glad to see he's back though. But that's the thing about what Jon said, he tried to speak up and do what was right for him, but from what Jon said, they wouldn't listen and wasn't allowed to change anything about his character. It came down to, he didn't want to play the idiot but that's all the WWE wanted him to be. The same way Cody left because the WWE only wanted him to be Stardust and Cody wanted to go a different direction. Right but that's besides the point. The point I was making isn't about if Reigns was right but more so if Reigns still disagreed with Moxley and instead presented it better than Rollins did which he did. Given the responses it seems as though even if Reigns presented it better, the fact he disagreed (and is wrong according to others) is more important than his good presentation. Even if Rollins had a better presentation and said what Reigns said, he'd still be jumped on given he's disagreeing with Moxley given most are saying "well Reigns is wrong here." It's less about the presentation but more about what's actually said. The only way they both could have gotten out without any issues honestly is if they were nicer, presented it well and well basically agreed with Moxley. Any other choice was going to get this response.
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Post by spagett on Aug 5, 2019 15:03:39 GMT -5
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Post by Chainsaw on Aug 5, 2019 15:03:48 GMT -5
Also loving the, "Jon Moxley? Oh, you mean Dean Ambrose?" thing going on here, Rollins does it too. I assume they were calling him Ambrose while they ran together, so it's not really a big deal. I just think it's funny that the interviewers says Jon Moxley, then Roman and Seth respond with Dean Ambrose. Yeah, it's probably that, like how guys who worked with Foley in WCW often call him "Cactus" reflexively. It's just ingrained. I reeeeeeeeeally wanna believe that, too, but at certain points, it creeps into your mind how it could just be corporate pettiness, knowing what company they work for.
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