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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2019 15:05:01 GMT -5
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Post by spagett on Aug 5, 2019 15:05:54 GMT -5
Ah ok. Pretty sure that never even aired over here.
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Post by Fade on Aug 5, 2019 15:09:25 GMT -5
Ultra Alpha Male
Lmao. Anyway..Yeah, Romans nice. Adorable watching him play diplomat. It’s also eerily camouflaging as things Cena used to say. One day we’ll hear Roman unfiltered, as we have a great many others.
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Post by Dub H on Aug 5, 2019 15:16:55 GMT -5
Ultra Alpha MaleLmao. Anyway..Yeah, Romans nice. Adorable watching him play diplomat. It’s also eerily camouflaging as things Cena used to say. One day we’ll hear Roman unfiltered, as we have a great many others. Yeh,that made me wince,using Alpha Male as a compliment in 2019
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Post by freeze Austin on Aug 5, 2019 15:18:07 GMT -5
Honestly, anything other than "I don't know what all he was going through with management, but he made the decision he felt was best for him and his family, and I wish him the best and hope he kicks ass where he's at" is the wrong response IMO.
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Post by Fade on Aug 5, 2019 15:22:55 GMT -5
Ultra Alpha MaleLmao. Anyway..Yeah, Romans nice. Adorable watching him play diplomat. It’s also eerily camouflaging as things Cena used to say. One day we’ll hear Roman unfiltered, as we have a great many others. Yeh,that made me wince,using Alpha Male as a compliment in 2019 Why the ever loving f*** is he going by ”The Architect” or “The Beast Slayer” when we could be calling him the “Ultra Alpha Male”?!?
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Post by Dub H on Aug 5, 2019 15:25:33 GMT -5
Yeh,that made me wince,using Alpha Male as a compliment in 2019 Why the ever loving f*** is he going by ”The Architect” or “The Beast Slayer” when we could be calling him the “Ultra Alpha Male”?!? Because there is only one Alpha Male in WWE's History And they also call him Smooth.
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Post by Fade on Aug 5, 2019 15:32:59 GMT -5
Why the ever loving f*** is he going by ”The Architect” or “The Beast Slayer” when we could be calling him the “Ultra Alpha Male”?!? Because there is only one Alpha Male in WWE's History And they also call him Smooth.As much of a mark as I was for the pounce, “Ultra Alpha Male”-Seth Rollins just rolls off the tongue too easily to resist.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2019 15:33:34 GMT -5
I’m in my 30’s so not quite old enough to pull the “back in my day” stuff, but why are fans now criticizing or praising talent for their ability to eloquently kiss the company’s ass in public? Have we reached such a level where it’s not only cool the be a corporate shill but fans suddenly care about it as well?
I’ll admit it’s funny when guys like Seth try to do it but their douchiness ends up taking over, but outside of that I don’t see the benefit for fans. The company of course would love it.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Aug 5, 2019 15:43:03 GMT -5
Weekly...Daily we see creative decisions that should be vetoed because they don't do any favors for the wrestlers involved. Whether that person wins or loses. I'd like to see the ratio of "good ideas shot down" to "bad ideas that wrestlers just have to work through". And how many times a wrestler tried to change something and was told to do what you're told. And since scripts for shows are rewritten hours of, if not while the show is happening, when does a person even have a chance to address things before they go live? Aside from that, Roman did well answering such a loaded question. Yeah, I think Roman gave a well spoken, diplomatic, wrong answer. And I don't think there was any malice in him being wrong, but I just don't think he HEARD what Mox was saying, or he lacks the context to see the situation from Mox's viewpoint. Or he was told to say something else by a company wanting to control the narrative and turned down the first order of "Go out there and shittalk him for not being able to handle the road life". It's a kind of wrong that might come from a place of ignorance, but immediately jumped onto protecting the company so much it's almost got to be them feeding him the line that everyone is happy and good and there's no problems with the creative process.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Aug 5, 2019 15:45:41 GMT -5
I’m in my 30’s so not quite old enough to pull the “back in my day” stuff, but why are fans now criticizing or praising talent for their ability to eloquently kiss the company’s ass in public? Have we reached such a level where it’s not only cool the be a corporate shill but fans suddenly care about it as well? I’ll admit it’s funny when guys like Seth try to do it but their douchiness ends up taking over, but outside of that I don’t see the benefit for fans. The company of course would love it. It's not so much that we're oh so happy that ROman can fellate Vince in an interview, and more that the tone of so much other stuff has become so monstrously antagonistic and confrontational that Roman sticking up for something people feel is all pretty bullshit is appreciated only because he's not shitting on the fans in the process. The appreciation comes from not openly insulting people and from the way that all the nonsensical whataboutism and "What should he have said instead of that he hates the fans?" feeds into people relieved to see just baseline decency
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2019 15:52:21 GMT -5
Yeah there's no way Roman listened to Jericho's podcast. Seems like he just heard Dean did the interview and that he was complaining about the company. But Roman seems like a good guy and a good friend either way.
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Post by eJm on Aug 5, 2019 15:53:09 GMT -5
I’m in my 30’s so not quite old enough to pull the “back in my day” stuff, but why are fans now criticizing or praising talent for their ability to eloquently kiss the company’s ass in public? Have we reached such a level where it’s not only cool the be a corporate shill but fans suddenly care about it as well? I’ll admit it’s funny when guys like Seth try to do it but their douchiness ends up taking over, but outside of that I don’t see the benefit for fans. The company of course would love it. It's not so much that we're oh so happy that ROman can fellate Vince in an interview, and more that the tone of so much other stuff has become so monstrously antagonistic and confrontational that Roman sticking up for something people feel is all pretty bullshit is appreciated only because he's not shitting on the fans in the process. The appreciation comes from not openly insulting people and from the way that all the nonsensical whataboutism and "What should he have said instead of that he hates the fans?" feeds into people relieved to see just baseline decency It also just genuinely give an impression of where a company’s head is at. Like, ratings and attendances being down is something to be concerned about and instead of figuring out what to do, they’re counting their blood and TV money and ranting at fans for not loving them enough. It’s them not being shown as being able to deal with what the problems are and seem out of touch. If Bob Iger said that everyone who hated the remakes didn’t understand how business worked and ranted at shareholders meetings about how wrong critics are, that would show a company of Disney’s size and its management can’t deal with problems and criticisms. But they wouldn’t because Disney deals with stuff better. Hell, the Beauty and the Beast remake was them taking those criticisms TOO much to heart which spoilt it for people.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2019 16:24:55 GMT -5
I respect his side and how well spoken it is, however I just can't understand defending the creative. Part of the stuff Moxley was complaining about was shit like the show being rewritten half a dozen times right up to and even during show time. Defend the content of creative if you want, but don't deny that this process is broken. We need a Wrestling Nightmare with Gordon Ramsay. So many idiot sandwiches
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 5, 2019 16:37:26 GMT -5
But that's the thing about what Jon said, he tried to speak up and do what was right for him, but from what Jon said, they wouldn't listen and wasn't allowed to change anything about his character. It came down to, he didn't want to play the idiot but that's all the WWE wanted him to be. The same way Cody left because the WWE only wanted him to be Stardust and Cody wanted to go a different direction. Right but that's besides the point. The point I was making isn't about if Reigns was right but more so if Reigns still disagreed with Moxley and instead presented it better than Rollins did which he did. Given the responses it seems as though even if Reigns presented it better, the fact he disagreed (and is wrong according to others) is more important than his good presentation. Even if Rollins had a better presentation and said what Reigns said, he'd still be jumped on given he's disagreeing with Moxley given most are saying "well Reigns is wrong here." It's less about the presentation but more about what's actually said. The only way they both could have gotten out without any issues honestly is if they were nicer, presented it well and well basically agreed with Moxley. Any other choice was going to get this response. I have no problem with he said. It could be "wrong" but i'm not judging what is right or wrong or about but what he said in terms of not trying to shit on his friend and moving the convo along I doubt Roman listened to Ambrose podcast because he doesn't care. He said straight up I don't care about the professional stuff but these are my boys and forever will be, end of story. That should be getting a lot more play because as much of a corporate answer he gave, that is a very human answer to give as well
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 5, 2019 16:38:56 GMT -5
Ah ok. Pretty sure that never even aired over here. Wait a min, stop the thread You've never seen Martin?
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Post by spagett on Aug 5, 2019 16:44:00 GMT -5
Ah ok. Pretty sure that never even aired over here. Wait a min, stop the thread You've never seen Martin? I haven't. Fairly certain it was never shown in the UK.
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Post by freeze Austin on Aug 5, 2019 17:05:31 GMT -5
That's some cornball shit that many will misinterpret as zOMGSWAG.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2019 17:10:56 GMT -5
Right but that's besides the point. The point I was making isn't about if Reigns was right but more so if Reigns still disagreed with Moxley and instead presented it better than Rollins did which he did. Given the responses it seems as though even if Reigns presented it better, the fact he disagreed (and is wrong according to others) is more important than his good presentation. Even if Rollins had a better presentation and said what Reigns said, he'd still be jumped on given he's disagreeing with Moxley given most are saying "well Reigns is wrong here." It's less about the presentation but more about what's actually said. The only way they both could have gotten out without any issues honestly is if they were nicer, presented it well and well basically agreed with Moxley. Any other choice was going to get this response. I have no problem with he said. It could be "wrong" but i'm not judging what is right or wrong or about but what he said in terms of not trying to shit on his friend and moving the convo along I doubt Roman listened to Ambrose podcast because he doesn't care. He said straight up I don't care about the professional stuff but these are my boys and forever will be, end of story. That should be getting a lot more play because as much of a corporate answer he gave, that is a very human answer to give as well Yeah I'm sure he didn't even pay attention to that too lol. He was probably like "eh, he said that? Damn that sucks" and kept it moving. He's got more important things to worry about than some Moxley podcast.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 5, 2019 17:19:46 GMT -5
I have no problem with he said. It could be "wrong" but i'm not judging what is right or wrong or about but what he said in terms of not trying to shit on his friend and moving the convo along I doubt Roman listened to Ambrose podcast because he doesn't care. He said straight up I don't care about the professional stuff but these are my boys and forever will be, end of story. That should be getting a lot more play because as much of a corporate answer he gave, that is a very human answer to give as well Yeah I'm sure he didn't even pay attention to that too lol. He was probably like "eh, he said that? Damn that sucks" and kept it moving. He's got more important things to worry about than some Moxley podcast. Yea, if anything I can see the next time they see each other he probably be like damn bro why you making my job harder and laugh about it but you can tell the love is their and it doesn't do him any favors in trying to be the company shield while throwing Ambrose under the buss. He said that's my brother and that's the end of that and obviously on Ambrose end you know how he feels about Roman Can't let professional associations get in the way of friendship and I dig that. Even with Seth whole " he is trying to steal food off my table" line, I get what he meant but once again bad phrasing and him trying to hard to be that guy. Ambrose and AEW are coming for your money no doubt but you can see the little bit of professional jealousy there too. Either way, all 3 guys should be happy where they at since they are seperate from each other for truly the first time since they became the Shield and get to be their own men
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