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Post by bmfjules on Aug 13, 2019 12:14:20 GMT -5
Finally saw the Ziggler match and recently rewatched HBK/Hogan and never have two men been more able to put someone over while also openly trolling them at the same time with such grace and talent...
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Post by mrbananagrabber on Aug 13, 2019 12:23:15 GMT -5
Goldberg's you could almost believe. Shawn was like a f***ing pin ball.
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Post by eJm on Aug 13, 2019 12:26:39 GMT -5
It feels like comparing two different situations with Dolph and Shawn and for as funny and slightly justified Michaels was...Dolph was selling in the intention of doing his job and making Goldberg look like a beast so that’s the best for me.
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Post by msc on Aug 13, 2019 12:28:46 GMT -5
I don't see the connection. Ziggler takes a slight breeze like an Ali punch.
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Post by realist on Aug 13, 2019 12:29:27 GMT -5
I honestly wouldn't consider what Ziggler did to be overselling. Goldberg's character has always been a raging bull who flattens people with power and intensity over finesse and Ziggler happened to be in the way of that bull. Shawn, on the other hand, was trying to make his match a joke.
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Post by bmfjules on Aug 13, 2019 12:35:31 GMT -5
I honestly wouldn't consider what Ziggler did to be overselling. Goldberg's character has always been a raging bull who flattens people with power and intensity over finesse and Ziggler happened to be in the way of that bull. Shawn, on the other hand, was trying to make his match a joke. I mean, point taken and accepted, but, he still did a full back flip with a handstand off one spear, and then a full rotation flip landing onto his feet with the second one. (Edit - third)
That said, nothing matched the moment where Shawn took the big boot and then took a bump, popped back up, ran around in circles like Homer Simpson and then did a front flip for literally no reason, prior to getting leg dropped.
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Post by Push R Truth on Aug 13, 2019 12:36:23 GMT -5
HBK was literally falling down and getting back up just to keep flailing and flop back over... multiple times. The dude did a twisting flip after a common head-to-turnbuckle move. He sold a Big Boot by hitting the mat , getting back up and running in a circle... THEN jumping into the air flopping down on his side like he was shot by a gun.
HBK vs Hogan is the textbook answer on both the Right and Wrong way to oversell.
For the record, I loved it. Amazingly entertaining match even to watch now. Even with that said, some of it was way too far unless it's a comedy match.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Aug 13, 2019 13:20:02 GMT -5
Shawn, because he did it to spite one of the biggest pieces of crap in wrestling history.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Aug 13, 2019 13:28:36 GMT -5
Dolph did his to sell his opponent's moveset. Shawn did it to be difficult.
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Post by Pushed to the Moon on Aug 13, 2019 13:44:58 GMT -5
I honestly wouldn't consider what Ziggler did to be overselling. Goldberg's character has always been a raging bull who flattens people with power and intensity over finesse and Ziggler happened to be in the way of that bull. Shawn, on the other hand, was trying to make his match a joke. I mean, point taken and accepted, but, he still did a full back flip with a handstand off one spear, and then a full rotation flip landing onto his feet with the second one. That said, nothing matched the moment where Shawn took the big boot and then took a bump, popped back up, ran around in circles like Homer Simpson and then did a front flip for literally no reason, prior to getting leg dropped.
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Post by dav on Aug 14, 2019 6:56:20 GMT -5
Shawn, because he did it to spite one of the biggest pieces of crap in wrestling history. But he wasn't wrestling himself. |
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Post by ASYLUMHAUSEN on Aug 14, 2019 10:00:16 GMT -5
Shawn, because he did it to spite one of the biggest pieces of crap in wrestling history. But he wasn't wrestling himself. Shawn may have been a prima donna, pilled out, cry baby at his absolute worst....but Hogan....Hogan, as a backstage politician and as a human being, is far far far FAR worse. I mean...I thought we decided this fairly unanimously some time ago.... |
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Post by dav on Aug 14, 2019 10:20:02 GMT -5
But he wasn't wrestling himself. Shawn may have been a prima donna, pilled out, cry baby at his absolute worst....but Hogan....Hogan, as a backstage politician and as a human being, is far far far FAR worse. I mean...I thought we decided this fairly unanimously some time ago.... Eh... Shawn's level of absolute dickishness is something to behold. I never really heard of Hogan trying to start a fight with a man with a broken leg, only to cower behind someone else when it seemed that the offer would be taken up. Although, my post was a joke anyhow. |
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Post by realist on Aug 14, 2019 10:30:45 GMT -5
Shawn may have been a prima donna, pilled out, cry baby at his absolute worst....but Hogan....Hogan, as a backstage politician and as a human being, is far far far FAR worse. I mean...I thought we decided this fairly unanimously some time ago.... Eh... Shawn's level of absolute dickishness is something to behold. I never really heard of Hogan trying to start a fight with a man with a broken leg, only to cower behind someone else when it seemed that the offer would be taken up. Although, my post was a joke anyhow. For me, Hogan wins this one hands down. I can acknowledge how much of a piece of crap Shawn was back in the day and I find his actions repulsive. In those days, the only redeeming quality Shawn had, imo, was his talent between the ropes. However, even taking the racist comments out of the equation, I think Hogan is a worse person because of the John Graziano stuff. People may disagree and that is totally their prerogative, but I don't know how you can come back from blaming the kid that your kid left brain dead for being brain dead. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2019 13:52:02 GMT -5
Ziggler sold it much, MUCH better. Over the top but still believable (they looked like convulsions) and without any of the annoying crapola that Shawn was doing with his.
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Post by sunnytaker on Aug 15, 2019 9:58:02 GMT -5
shawn's was hilariously over the top to the point Hogan was getting pissed about it. IIRC shawn decided to do that because it was supposed to either have a rematch where shawn would get a win back or a best of three (I forget who would win the 3rd) then Hogan vetoed the idea and insisted one match only and he was going over (brother) so this was shawn's response to that.
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Post by nate5054 on Aug 15, 2019 11:42:14 GMT -5
Nothing will ever top what Shawn did. It's still one of all time favorite moments in wrestling for just how absurd it was.
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Post by JoDaNa1281 on Aug 15, 2019 17:26:59 GMT -5
Dolph was doing it to make Goldberg look like a dominant force, Shawn was doing it because he was mad that he got out-politiced...so, Dolph for me.
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