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Post by theironyuppie on Jan 28, 2020 0:06:14 GMT -5
Surely this has to be building to someone like Ronda or Shayna humbling her, otherwise what’s the point?
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 28, 2020 0:06:20 GMT -5
What's saving Becky is that "Dean Ambrose-like" love she has. Ambrose was doing wacky shit for years. Even when he was running over dudes and he was the leader it took someone as popular and great as AJ Styles to get him booed. In Becky's case there isn't anyone as popular and great they've had her come across to where she'd get booed yet which is why she hasn't been heavily booed. She hasn't come across a wrestler nearly as popular as her that she beat and people are pissed about It is a bit remarkable she has been able to hold off boos. Even Kofi was starting to get some boos before he lost the title to Lesnar
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Post by theironyuppie on Jan 28, 2020 0:10:10 GMT -5
What's saving Becky is that "Dean Ambrose-like" love she has. Ambrose was doing wacky shit for years. Even when he was running over dudes and he was the leader it took someone as popular and great as AJ Styles to get him booed. In Becky's case there isn't anyone as popular and great they've had her come across to where she'd get booed yet which is why she hasn't been heavily booed. She hasn't come across a wrestler nearly as popular as her that she beat and people are pissed about It is a bit remarkable she has been able to hold off boos. Even Kofi was starting to get some boos before he lost the title to Lesnar This is part of why her constant smark-bait has mattered. It (and the ongoing paranoia about Charlotte) has helped prevent that smark vanguard from turning on her to any great extent. Look at how she managed SS flopping by one tweet alleging the company was holding her back with a tag story.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 28, 2020 0:11:32 GMT -5
She hasn't come across a wrestler nearly as popular as her that she beat and people are pissed about It is a bit remarkable she has been able to hold off boos. Even Kofi was starting to get some boos before he lost the title to Lesnar This is part of why her constant smark-bait has mattered. It (and the ongoing paranoia about Charlotte) has helped prevent that smark vanguard from turning on her to any great extent. Look at how she managed SS flopping by one tweet alleging the company was holding her back with a tag story. I give her that credit tho, she knows how to play the political game to her advantage
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Post by mistery on Jan 28, 2020 0:16:35 GMT -5
What's saving Becky is that "Dean Ambrose-like" love she has. Ambrose was doing wacky shit for years. Even when he was running over dudes and he was the leader it took someone as popular and great as AJ Styles to get him booed. In Becky's case there isn't anyone as popular and great they've had her come across to where she'd get booed yet which is why she hasn't been heavily booed. She hasn't come across a wrestler nearly as popular as her that she beat and people are pissed about It is a bit remarkable she has been able to hold off boos. Even Kofi was starting to get some boos before he lost the title to Lesnar Yeah, but I don't think she can stave them off for much longer either. I think she either drops the title at Wrestlemania (probably to Shayna), or the night after to an NXT callup (whether it be Rhea, Bianca, or Io). Similar to how AJ Lee was with Paige. Except I have a feeling Becky will get completely rolled.
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Post by Dub H on Jan 28, 2020 0:17:10 GMT -5
She hasn't come across a wrestler nearly as popular as her that she beat and people are pissed about It is a bit remarkable she has been able to hold off boos. Even Kofi was starting to get some boos before he lost the title to Lesnar This is part of why her constant smark-bait has mattered. It (and the ongoing paranoia about Charlotte) has helped prevent that smark vanguard from turning on her to any great extent. Look at how she managed SS flopping by one tweet alleging the company was holding her back with a tag story. Or maybe she is generally liked and people overall like her even if the overpush is bad.No one was thinking she was being held back with a tag story.It is been so long since lukewarm talent like Reigns and Charlotte have ben pushed to the moon that when a really popular one manages to maintain reactions despite the same push,the world turns upside down. It does helps Becky generally seems nicer than most on twitter,in interviews when others attack the fans she is much more neutral and polite. So if being nice to the fans are smark bait...sure she is smark bait. But I don't think it will last forever, an overpush that buries others will always end up on people turning on the performer,just a matter of time.Maybe they can stop before then but I doubt.
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Post by theironyuppie on Jan 28, 2020 0:19:24 GMT -5
This is part of why her constant smark-bait has mattered. It (and the ongoing paranoia about Charlotte) has helped prevent that smark vanguard from turning on her to any great extent. Look at how she managed SS flopping by one tweet alleging the company was holding her back with a tag story. Or maybe she is generally liked and people overall like her even if the overpush is bad.No one was thinking she was being held back with a tag story. It does helps Becky generally seems nicer than most on twitter.In interviews when others attack the fans she is much more neutral. So if being nice to the fans are smark bait...sure she is smark bait. I have no doubt she’s nice, but from looking around the net, there absolutely were a lot of fans who thought that the tag storyline meant that they were shoehorning Charlotte to leech off Becky and get another “undeserved accolade” by winning the tag belts, (and that even Becky didn’t want to do the storyline because of that tweet) rather than really being to set up Becky/Asuka.
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Post by theironyuppie on Jan 28, 2020 0:22:41 GMT -5
This is part of why her constant smark-bait has mattered. It (and the ongoing paranoia about Charlotte) has helped prevent that smark vanguard from turning on her to any great extent. Look at how she managed SS flopping by one tweet alleging the company was holding her back with a tag story. I give her that credit tho, she knows how to play the political game to her advantage Absolutely. It’s a smart strategy in 2019-20, but I think it’s success is that people don’t see it *as* a strategy.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 28, 2020 0:23:44 GMT -5
She hasn't come across a wrestler nearly as popular as her that she beat and people are pissed about It is a bit remarkable she has been able to hold off boos. Even Kofi was starting to get some boos before he lost the title to Lesnar Yeah, but I don't think she can stave them off for much longer either. I think she either drops the title at Wrestlemania (probably to Shayna), or the night after to an NXT callup (whether it be Rhea, Bianca, or Io). Similar to how AJ Lee was with Paige. Except I have a feeling Becky will get completely rolled. At this point I think they want her to have the title well over a year
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Post by Dub H on Jan 28, 2020 0:34:08 GMT -5
I give her that credit tho, she knows how to play the political game to her advantage Absolutely. It’s a smart strategy in 2019-20, but I think it’s success is that people don’t see it *as* a strategy. It is also disingenuous to assume that with no evidence of the sorts that is an act. Even before her push Becky was always one of the smartest and nicest people in social media. And obviously she tries to use it as a storylines since it caught on fire.I don't think there is any evidence of a political move there.It is just her trying to get the kayfabe story like she has done since the Ronda Feud. Not saying she did with no plans of whatever,it was to create interest but it is disingenuous to say someone with no track of that is trying to play politics.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 28, 2020 0:40:34 GMT -5
Absolutely. It’s a smart strategy in 2019-20, but I think it’s success is that people don’t see it *as* a strategy. It is also disingenuous to assume that with no evidence of the sorts that is an act. Even before her push Becky was always one of the smartest and nicest people in social media. And obviously she tries to use it as a storylines since it caught on fire.I don't think there is any evidence of a political move there.It is just her trying to get the kayfabe story like she has done since the Ronda Feud. Not saying she did with no plans of whatever,it was to create interest but it is disingenuous to say someone with no track of that is trying to play politics. Going to social media is playing politics tho as she is in a position where the fans will respond and the company almost certainly will listen She can be nice but that doesn't mean she isn't going to look out for herself first and foremost to make sure this run last as long as she possibly can
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Post by theironyuppie on Jan 28, 2020 0:43:46 GMT -5
Absolutely. It’s a smart strategy in 2019-20, but I think it’s success is that people don’t see it *as* a strategy. It is also disingenuous to assume that with no evidence of the sorts that is an act. Even before her push Becky was always one of the smartest and nicest people in social media. And obviously she tries to use it as a storylines since it caught on fire.I don't think there is any evidence of a political move there.It is just her trying to get the kayfabe story like she has done since the Ronda Feud. Not saying she did with no plans of whatever,it was to create interest but it is disingenuous to say someone with no track of that is trying to play politics. Just to clarify my stance. Becky being nice to fans is just the nice person she is by all accounts. The strategy is when she says things like ‘Asuka deserves so much better’ or acts like the company is against her or uses smark language like ‘handed everything’.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 28, 2020 2:45:27 GMT -5
WWE have shot themselves in the foot with the womens division. The hiearchy has made it near impossible for new stars to grow. Becky is the best and damn near unbeatable, then Charlotte is the rung below her, and everyone else is below Charlotte, and all kinda of terribly booked.
It's incredible how well the NXT Women's division looks and how stagnant the WWE Main Roster Women's Divisions look. Even AEW feels like they have a more well balanced division than main roster WWEs, which literally feels like almost no one actually matters. The Smackdown title is a complete afterthought, they've completely destroyed Bayley and Sasha, and the division's best storyline is Otis and Mandy Rose... which while compelling it's THEIR BEST STORYLINE, and on RAW well, you have what you have and that's it. As for the tag titles? At this point it might as well be "What tag titles?".
There's little to no room to grow at this particular moment, and it's a damn shame, and stuff like Becky's promo tonight shows absolutely why that is. They have a problem right now and I don't know if it's easily sorted...
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Post by autisticgeordie on Jan 28, 2020 2:46:36 GMT -5
She hasn't come across a wrestler nearly as popular as her that she beat and people are pissed about It is a bit remarkable she has been able to hold off boos. Even Kofi was starting to get some boos before he lost the title to Lesnar This is part of why her constant smark-bait has mattered. It (and the ongoing paranoia about Charlotte) has helped prevent that smark vanguard from turning on her to any great extent. Look at how she managed SS flopping by one tweet alleging the company was holding her back with a tag story. Maybe it's not 'smark bait' as the reason why fans haven't started booing her and more that she's just a genuinely nice person who thinks highly of her fans? In this era of wrestling, that's refreshing.
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Post by theironyuppie on Jan 28, 2020 2:53:56 GMT -5
This is part of why her constant smark-bait has mattered. It (and the ongoing paranoia about Charlotte) has helped prevent that smark vanguard from turning on her to any great extent. Look at how she managed SS flopping by one tweet alleging the company was holding her back with a tag story. Maybe it's not 'smark bait' as the reason why fans haven't started booing her and more that she's just a genuinely nice person who thinks highly of her fans? In this era of wrestling, that's refreshing. I’m suggesting that in this era, there’s a vocal group of ‘smart’ fans who are suspicious of anyone they think WWE is too obviously behind, and that Becky’s done well keeping them on side as well as the broader audience.
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Post by autisticgeordie on Jan 28, 2020 2:57:35 GMT -5
Maybe it's not 'smark bait' as the reason why fans haven't started booing her and more that she's just a genuinely nice person who thinks highly of her fans? In this era of wrestling, that's refreshing. I’m suggesting that in this era, there’s a vocal group of ‘smart’ fans who are suspicious of anyone they think WWE is too obviously behind, and that Becky’s done well keeping them on side as well as the broader audience. I think its because Becky has a lot of goodwill saved up from the years before. I think it's nice that fans don't turn on wrestlers just because they're also a favourite of management. That doesn't automatically make them a bad person.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Jan 28, 2020 3:34:31 GMT -5
My best guess is that the whole, "I'm picking who I fight!" thing is setting up her showing up by surprise in NXT to attack Baszler to set up a match there, but really that just further raises the question of why on earth Shayna didn't win the Rumble. Could do a swerve where after Rhea beats Bianca at Portland, Charlotte attacks Rhea setting up Charlotte vs Rhea at Mania. And Shayna attacks Becky on Raw, reminding Becky that she never beat Shayna.
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Post by autisticgeordie on Jan 28, 2020 8:57:30 GMT -5
Lynch is at a bit of a crossroads now, I think. The fans stuck with her through this character shift because she was finally getting the push and accolades she deserved, and she was saying a lot of things that people wanted to hear about Flair and Rousey, but that wasn't REALLY the character that got her over to begin with, it was the fun, dorky "I can't open this can of pineapple rings" Becky Lynch that everyone truly loved. Now that she's actually been pushed strongly, and all that resentment about her previous lack of push has died down, what we're left with is someone who is unreasonably abrasive to those who are now in the position she used to be in. It might be all right now, because with nobody having that kind of groundswell of momentum like Lynch had in mid-2018 she isn't losing the crowd, but if someone else does get hot... Maybe. You have no idea how damn badly I want that Becky back. That was the persona that made Becky into one of my favourite wrestlers because it wasn't really a character and more just who she was in real life, turned up to eleven and it worked. I wouldn't say she was unreasonably abrasive, though, for a long time people have showed a distain for the 'Gee, Golly Gosh, Awww Shucks' babyface and then when Becky is the opposite to that and is this more confident character, people say that she's 'unlikeable'. Is there any way to win if you're a WWE babyface? No matter what type of babyface you are, fans'll give you grief.
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Post by tenshi on Jan 28, 2020 10:22:31 GMT -5
Lynch is at a bit of a crossroads now, I think. The fans stuck with her through this character shift because she was finally getting the push and accolades she deserved, and she was saying a lot of things that people wanted to hear about Flair and Rousey, but that wasn't REALLY the character that got her over to begin with, it was the fun, dorky "I can't open this can of pineapple rings" Becky Lynch that everyone truly loved. Now that she's actually been pushed strongly, and all that resentment about her previous lack of push has died down, what we're left with is someone who is unreasonably abrasive to those who are now in the position she used to be in. It might be all right now, because with nobody having that kind of groundswell of momentum like Lynch had in mid-2018 she isn't losing the crowd, but if someone else does get hot... Maybe. You have no idea how damn badly I want that Becky back. That was the persona that made Becky into one of my favourite wrestlers because it wasn't really a character and more just who she was in real life, turned up to eleven and it worked. I wouldn't say she was unreasonably abrasive, though, for a long time people have showed a distain for the 'Gee, Golly Gosh, Awww Shucks' babyface and then when Becky is the opposite to that and is this more confident character, people say that she's 'unlikeable'. Is there any way to win if you're a WWE babyface? No matter what type of babyface you are, fans'll give you grief. Showing a personality and being portrayed as competent does wonder. Laying waste on a whole division for almost 2 years and barely facing adversity while also claiming that management holds you back despite enjoying the perks of being the "chosen one" doesn't make people look likable.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 28, 2020 10:24:10 GMT -5
Maybe it's not 'smark bait' as the reason why fans haven't started booing her and more that she's just a genuinely nice person who thinks highly of her fans? In this era of wrestling, that's refreshing. I’m suggesting that in this era, there’s a vocal group of ‘smart’ fans who are suspicious of anyone they think WWE is too obviously behind, and that Becky’s done well keeping them on side as well as the broader audience. Yea let’s stop that she’s nice excuse. I’m pretty sure Roman is nice as well. In fact, if real life mattered, the fact Roman came back from cancer for the 2nd to entertain the fans should make him a babyface for life and universally cheered but the fact he’s about to get a push is getting him booed again
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