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Post by Convoy on Sept 16, 2019 10:53:23 GMT -5
On Friday, ROH noted that the ROH World Television Championship match at Death Before Dishonor was pending. Today, they released the following statement:
Is this a storyline item, or are things just that bad?
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Post by Cyno on Sept 16, 2019 10:54:15 GMT -5
I guess that means Flip or Williams are winning that match.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Sept 16, 2019 10:58:49 GMT -5
The other day Taylor posted a video online where he stated that he refused to return the title belt and would be showing up at random indy shows to defend it. The whole thing screamed "work" to me. It wouldn't be the first time ROH did something like this, remember the whole Michael Elgin/Work Visa angle they ran a couple of years back? Well no, you probably don't, because it flopped miserably. But it was a Russo-esque worked shoot that destroyed Elgin's entire career in ROH. I could see them trying it again with this. If this is legit, if Taylor was given his release and still refused to return the title belt, then there are two things happening here - - Something really bad happened here that's left a lot of bad blood between both sides. Nothing we've seen from either party indicates this.
- Taylor is a supremely unprofessional person to the point where black-balling from the industry should be considered.
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Post by corndog on Sept 16, 2019 11:00:26 GMT -5
I could definitely see Bubba booking a worked shoot angle about Shane Taylor leaving. The real question is does anyone care?
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Sept 16, 2019 11:11:08 GMT -5
Here's the video in question I was talking about in case anybody wants to make their own judgement -
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Post by chrom on Sept 16, 2019 11:14:59 GMT -5
If this is a work shoot screw both of them.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2019 11:17:26 GMT -5
Pillman remix
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Post by BitterAF on Sept 16, 2019 11:54:34 GMT -5
If a work, not the best guy to do it with. I care more about the belt than the wrestling character. If he's going to NXT, what a bad move.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Sept 16, 2019 11:56:04 GMT -5
Just because there are news reports of guys looking to leave the company doesn't mean it's a good idea to make an angle out of it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2019 12:41:41 GMT -5
I doubt this is real. I have heard absolutely nothing about any other promotions wanting Shane Taylor. Hell, ROH tries really hard (mostly unsuccessfully) to make people give a shit about him.
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Post by chrom on Sept 16, 2019 12:50:56 GMT -5
I doubt this is real. I have heard absolutely nothing about any other promotions wanting Shane Taylor. Hell, ROH tries really hard (mostly unsuccessfully) to make people give a shit about him. You could say that about The Kingdom, Young, King and a whole lot more
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2019 12:52:13 GMT -5
I doubt this is real. I have heard absolutely nothing about any other promotions wanting Shane Taylor. Hell, ROH tries really hard (mostly unsuccessfully) to make people give a shit about him. You could say that about The Kingdom, Young, King and a whole lot more Very true, ROH's current roster is weak as f***.
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Post by Brood Lone Wolf Funker on Sept 16, 2019 17:37:09 GMT -5
I doubt this is real. I have heard absolutely nothing about any other promotions wanting Shane Taylor. Hell, ROH tries really hard (mostly unsuccessfully) to make people give a shit about him. You could say that about The Kingdom, Young, King and a whole lot more Honestly TK and Vincent could be good in WWE
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Sept 16, 2019 17:59:40 GMT -5
You could say that about The Kingdom, Young, King and a whole lot more Honestly TK and Vincent could be good in WWE It's a little goofy, but I think Marseglia has some potential with his horror movie gimmick. O'Ryan seems like a solid enough worker, but has shown me absolutely nothing in terms of personality.
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Post by chazraps on Sept 16, 2019 20:12:40 GMT -5
It wouldn't be the first time ROH did something like this, remember the whole Michael Elgin/Work Visa angle they ran a couple of years back? Well no, you probably don't, because it flopped miserably. But it was a Russo-esque worked shoot that destroyed Elgin's entire career in ROH. I could see them trying it again with this. Refresh my memory on this, here's what I recall: Mike Elgin was world champ, said some things in some interview of someday wanting to try baseball and loses in the first round of Bola 2014 to Trevor Lee, and then shockingly loses the world title to Jay Briscoe at All Star Extravaganza. Being that show was in Canada, he has border issues (same time as Seleziya Sparx of the House of Truth, who was awesome and I hope is still active) and is stuck somewhere as ROH or Sinclair fudged something with his work visa or something. Then he came back in the hooded robe and the "Anarchy's Son" theme (which I thought was a pretty cool theme) and looked super moody. So, Sparx aside, all of this was a planned work to get him to that heel turn?
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Post by sportatorium on Sept 16, 2019 20:25:50 GMT -5
That felt very much like a wrestling promo & this seems like a work. Mentioning “Tampa” & “Jacksonville” made it pretty obvious what he was referring to. If he really quit ROH, wouldn’t he just say NXT & AEW? I like Shane Taylor & wish he had a better storyline and a better company with better TV to promote him.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Sept 16, 2019 20:56:03 GMT -5
It wouldn't be the first time ROH did something like this, remember the whole Michael Elgin/Work Visa angle they ran a couple of years back? Well no, you probably don't, because it flopped miserably. But it was a Russo-esque worked shoot that destroyed Elgin's entire career in ROH. I could see them trying it again with this. Refresh my memory on this, here's what I recall: Mike Elgin was world champ, said some things in some interview of someday wanting to try baseball and loses in the first round of Bola 2014 to Trevor Lee, and then shockingly loses the world title to Jay Briscoe at All Star Extravaganza. Being that show was in Canada, he has border issues (same time as Seleziya Sparx of the House of Truth, who was awesome and I hope is still active) and is stuck somewhere as ROH or Sinclair fudged something with his work visa or something. Then he came back in the hooded robe and the "Anarchy's Son" theme (which I thought was a pretty cool theme) and looked super moody. So, Sparx aside, all of this was a planned work to get him to that heel turn? I think the work visa issue was originally legit, but they sorted it out but then decided between this and their reported unhappiness with him wanting to try out for professional baseball, they would turn the whole thing into an angle. So (faked) E-mails between Elgin and ROH would be leaked to wrestling media, and this led to arguments between him and company on twitter, him supposedly refusing to work shows, him apparently having a breakdown backstage at an indy show. Just weird work-shoot style stuff that seemed straight out of WCW-era Vince Russo. Nobody took him seriously and it just completely derailed anything he had built up in ROH up to that point.
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Post by Starshine on Sept 16, 2019 21:00:43 GMT -5
If ROH has any sort of positive buzz an angle like this might work. But this along with everything else makes the company either look incompetent, or desperate for attention.
Either way this doesn't help the current perception that ROH has nothing of value to offer.
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Post by chazraps on Sept 16, 2019 21:00:51 GMT -5
Refresh my memory on this, here's what I recall: Mike Elgin was world champ, said some things in some interview of someday wanting to try baseball and loses in the first round of Bola 2014 to Trevor Lee, and then shockingly loses the world title to Jay Briscoe at All Star Extravaganza. Being that show was in Canada, he has border issues (same time as Seleziya Sparx of the House of Truth, who was awesome and I hope is still active) and is stuck somewhere as ROH or Sinclair fudged something with his work visa or something. Then he came back in the hooded robe and the "Anarchy's Son" theme (which I thought was a pretty cool theme) and looked super moody. So, Sparx aside, all of this was a planned work to get him to that heel turn? I think the work visa issue was originally legit, but they sorted it out but then decided between this and their reported unhappiness with him wanting to try out for professional baseball, they would turn the whole thing into an angle. So (faked) E-mails between Elgin and ROH would be leaked to wrestling media, and this led to arguments between him and company on twitter, him supposedly refusing to work shows, him apparently having a breakdown backstage at an indy show. Just weird work-shoot style stuff that seemed straight out of WCW-era Vince Russo. Nobody took him seriously and it just completely derailed anything he had built up in ROH up to that point. Wow, I only faintly remember the tweets and have zero recollection of the leaked emails. Crazy to think that following the end of SCUM when Cornette had booked Elgin into the ground, Delirious in six months successfully rehabbed Mike into a believable top guy once again going into ROH's first live terrestrial pay-per-view. I forgot how fast that went away. Was there ever any character work between moody Mike and the Mike who was winning Survival of the Fittest and teaming with Tanahashi to where he went back to his old music and persona again? I have no idea why that period for Mike is so blurry for me.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Sept 16, 2019 21:10:33 GMT -5
I think the work visa issue was originally legit, but they sorted it out but then decided between this and their reported unhappiness with him wanting to try out for professional baseball, they would turn the whole thing into an angle. So (faked) E-mails between Elgin and ROH would be leaked to wrestling media, and this led to arguments between him and company on twitter, him supposedly refusing to work shows, him apparently having a breakdown backstage at an indy show. Just weird work-shoot style stuff that seemed straight out of WCW-era Vince Russo. Nobody took him seriously and it just completely derailed anything he had built up in ROH up to that point. Wow, I only faintly remember the tweets and have zero recollection of the leaked emails. Crazy to think that following the end of SCUM when Cornette had booked Elgin into the ground, Delirious in six months successfully rehabbed Mike into a believable top guy once again going into ROH's first live terrestrial pay-per-view. I forgot how fast that went away. Was there ever any character work between moody Mike and the Mike who was winning Survival of the Fittest and teaming with Tanahashi to where he went back to his old music and persona again? I have no idea why that period for Mike is so blurry for me. As far as I can remember, he just went to Japan and when he came back he was a good guy again. I think everybody just decided the heel turn was such a failure that they were just better off ignoring it even happened.
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