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Post by dxbang on Sept 25, 2019 22:00:26 GMT -5
Remember how light of a move would lead to a pin in some old school tag matches?
Ref counts, 1...2...and gets distracted by a manager. Partner of guy getting pinned comes in and stomps the man on top, leading to him getting pinned as soon as the ref was back.
A stomp to the back/head led to a pin...and I’m not talking a Rollins curb stomp.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2019 22:16:44 GMT -5
everyone is Superman now kicking out of multiple finishers
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Post by Mozenrath on Sept 25, 2019 22:22:36 GMT -5
Dustin/Goldust does his part to keep old finishes alive by randomly getting pins on a freaking bulldog or powerslam every couple of years.
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Post by Dub H on Sept 25, 2019 22:48:48 GMT -5
I actually wish finishers faded.
Keep moves that can end matches,but have more matches finish on other moves.
Like lets say you superplex someone after 20 minutes.I dont see why you cant get a pin from it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2019 23:21:29 GMT -5
I actually wish finishers faded. Keep moves that can end matches,but have more matches finish on other moves. Like lets say you superplex someone after 20 minutes.I dont see why you cant get a pin from it. I think it adds more suspense if a match can end with something that isn't a finish. Personally, I think finishes should be way more protected, and treated as a last resort. As much as I love puro, I'm fairly certain that's where the trend of finisher-fests started, and I wish it'd be dialed back sometimes. |
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Post by Ronny Rayguns Is All Elite on Sept 26, 2019 13:39:29 GMT -5
Not only that "signature" moves should actually lead to Pinfalls more often to help make things less predictable
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Post by efarns on Sept 26, 2019 17:44:53 GMT -5
I actually wish finishers faded. Keep moves that can end matches,but have more matches finish on other moves. Like lets say you superplex someone after 20 minutes.I dont see why you cant get a pin from it. I think it adds more suspense if a match can end with something that isn't a finish. Personally, I think finishes should be way more protected, and treated as a last resort. As much as I love puro, I'm fairly certain that's where the trend of finisher-fests started, and I wish it'd be dialed back sometimes. Yes! This is what I grew up with. The undercard had pins with, say, a sunset flip. So, when there was a sunset flip in the main event, people could buy the false finish. Having every match end on a finisher hurts the product. |
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Post by Jake, The Jake, Jake on Sept 26, 2019 19:53:35 GMT -5
I feel like this issue, like most in wrestling, would be helped immensely by bringing back jobber squashes. Wrestlers and teams could develop more match-ending moves so when they have a big match you never know when it could end.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Sept 26, 2019 21:34:09 GMT -5
If modern wrestling insists on kicking out of finishers, then they really need to commit to the idea of wrestlers having more than one. But no matter what, I feel every top guy should have a finisher that is total MDK for their opponent. Moxley adopted this formula in the G1. He almost always tried to win with Dirty Deeds because it's fast. However, the power wasn't always enough and dudes would kick out. So, he invented Death Rider. Same move, but with elevation. And it's presented as instant death.
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Post by horsemen4ever on Sept 26, 2019 21:43:14 GMT -5
I blame ECW for this.
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Post by efarns on Sept 27, 2019 21:10:48 GMT -5
Every MMA fighter has multiple "finishers"
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Sept 27, 2019 22:26:34 GMT -5
We really need more old school heel finishes. I'm talking feet in the ropes and using brass knuckles. The most we get nowadays is usually a lame distraction or someone pulling the tights which the camera always misses.
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Post by efarns on Sept 29, 2019 6:18:55 GMT -5
We really need more old school heel finishes. I'm talking feet in the ropes and using brass knuckles. The most we get nowadays is usually a lame distraction or someone pulling the tights which the camera always misses. Do you think just winning the match gets enough heat these days? |
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Post by Secret Clown on Sept 29, 2019 7:15:14 GMT -5
In the That Happened? thread there's a clip of Bret Hart v Jeff Jarrett. The finish is Bret winning following a belly to back suplex. Bret does start his 5 moves of doom routine but it's interrupted and a different move wins it.
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Post by efarns on Sept 30, 2019 7:45:13 GMT -5
In the That Happened? thread there's a clip of Bret Hart v Jeff Jarrett. The finish is Bret winning following a belly to back suplex. Bret does start his 5 moves of doom routine but it's interrupted and a different move wins it. That's a good example. This kind of thing used to be not unusual. The best I can recall, from my addled early teenage years, a superplex is an example of a move that, if anybody hit it, it could finish the match. Fighting out of it was "life or death." |
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Post by Jaws the Shark on Sept 30, 2019 15:15:21 GMT -5
I think it's more people trying to emulate the nineties All Japan/King's Road style, without really fully understanding how or why it worked. |
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