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Post by flakeymcgill on Oct 17, 2019 11:01:52 GMT -5
So longevity aside, isn't Hart very overrated as a manager?
For a start he didn't have promo skills. He couldn't talk. He opened his mouth and noise came out but if what he said counted as a promo then the Ultimate Warrior was an Oxford professor. It was just high-pitched noise. I'm surprised whenever he's mentioned as part of a 'greatest managers' list because of all the attributes a manager should have I don't see how he has any.
Who can name a single Jimmy Hart promo or interview? Who can remember a single Jimmy Hart played a pivotal role in a match, feud or an angle besides the cheap heat of being beaten up at the end of a match. So he could bump - that's all, isn't it? He had the Megaphone to rile in the crowd but who couldn't get heat with that gimmick?
Overall Jimmy Hart really doesn't have as many attributes we associate as being indicative of the great managers of the past so I'm surprised when his name pops up so highly in such lists.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Oct 17, 2019 11:09:06 GMT -5
You kind of answered your own question on what made Jimmy so good. He was that annoying guy that you just wanted to hit to shut him up. So when pared with anybody that guy gets heat by being with that guy. When the face beats him up fans love it and gets the face over. Jimmy was the master of getting everyone to hate him. There been times where he handed that megaphone or other gimmicks to help his men win. So yes he did his job well.
While he managed Hogan didn't make sense on camera and really didn't get that over since Hogan was passed his peak years and fans was tired of face Hogan.
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Post by 'Foretold' Joker on Oct 17, 2019 11:17:37 GMT -5
Compared to Heenan no he isn't.
Compared to Mr.Fuji, Slick, The Coach and Paul Bearer (at the time) I would say yes.
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Post by Milkman Norm on Oct 17, 2019 12:15:06 GMT -5
Watch some Memphis to see classic Jimmy Hart.
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Post by bmfjules on Oct 17, 2019 12:19:17 GMT -5
Memphis Jimmy Hart was fantastic. And yes, I can name you a dozen great promos from that era.
"What do ya do with a prize horse with a broken leg, ya shoot it!" in reference to Lawler breaking his leg being the most famous.
WWE Jimmy Hart was a colorful cartoon character who was perfect as a foil in a wrestling show aimed at a younger audience..
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2019 12:38:14 GMT -5
I feel like it's a lot easier to understand Jimmy's heat if you got to see him live using the megaphone.
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Post by petef3 on Oct 17, 2019 12:51:45 GMT -5
Peak Memphis or Georgia Jimmy Hart = or > Heenan or Cornette. He was *that* good. The WWF Jimmy Hart was entertaining in his own way, but in some sense was very wasted.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Oct 17, 2019 12:59:15 GMT -5
He was memorable.
People who stopped watching decades ago still remember him.
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Post by clodhopper on Oct 17, 2019 13:46:21 GMT -5
As a kid, I hated him, far more than Heenan or anyone else which tells me he was good at what he did. Watching back now, I think he's brilliant and love his wimpy, sleazy promo style. He never worked for me as a face when it felt like his role was to basically just lick Hulk Hogan's bumhole but as a heel he was awesome.
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Post by Hit Girl on Oct 17, 2019 14:53:01 GMT -5
Yep, he was amazing.
Second only to Brain as greatest ever manager.
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Post by Squirrel Master on Oct 17, 2019 17:22:07 GMT -5
I saw Jimmy Hart ride on Hulk Hogan's back for the entire match when Hogan defended the WWF title against Adrian Adonis at MSG in 1986. So there, OP.
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Post by Citizen Snips on Oct 17, 2019 17:38:42 GMT -5
The role of the manager isn't to get himself/herself over, it's to get the talent they're managing over. In that respect, Hart might have actually been better than Heenan, since the main guys you think of with Heenan were usually proven attractions already. The Hart Foundation, Honky Tonk Man and Earthquake were all unknowns nationally when they hooked up with The Mouth and they all got over.
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Post by johnnyk9 on Oct 17, 2019 17:49:36 GMT -5
Jimmy was incredible he was cool, he had style, and had the perfect high pitched vocals that garnered sympathy and heat at the same time he is one of a kind
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Post by Perfect Timing on Oct 17, 2019 18:35:37 GMT -5
He was pretty good at his job. His girly laugh and how he would often take bumps made him more than just a mouthpiece. Even with the megaphone he made sure the focus was on his guy and not him. His outfits were fun aswell.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2019 20:24:58 GMT -5
I always felt like his presence went a long way toward making his clients look cartoonishly sleazy, in the very best possible way. I can't imagine the Honky Tonk Man or the Mountie without him, especially.
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Post by RowdyRobbyPiper on Oct 17, 2019 20:37:20 GMT -5
So longevity aside, isn't Hart very overrated as a manager? For a start he didn't have promo skills. He couldn't talk. He opened his mouth and noise came out but if what he said counted as a promo then the Ultimate Warrior was an Oxford professor. It was just high-pitched noise. I'm surprised whenever he's mentioned as part of a 'greatest managers' list because of all the attributes a manager should have I don't see how he has any. Who can name a single Jimmy Hart promo or interview? Who can remember a single Jimmy Hart played a pivotal role in a match, feud or an angle besides the cheap heat of being beaten up at the end of a match. So he could bump - that's all, isn't it? He had the Megaphone to rile in the crowd but who couldn't get heat with that gimmick? Overall Jimmy Hart really doesn't have as many attributes we associate as being indicative of the great managers of the past so I'm surprised when his name pops up so highly in such lists. Watch Jimmy BEFORE he went to the WWF. He was a heat magnet without a megaphone. |
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Post by RowdyRobbyPiper on Oct 17, 2019 20:39:54 GMT -5
Peak Memphis or Georgia Jimmy Hart = or > Heenan or Cornette. He was *that* good. The WWF Jimmy Hart was entertaining in his own way, but in some sense was very wasted. Yep. John McAdam argues that the reason WWF Jimmy felt different from Memphis Jimmy is that other 1980’s WWF managers were better at politicking than Jimmy was (looking at you, Bobby Heenan). |
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Post by salz4life on Oct 17, 2019 20:46:55 GMT -5
Jimmy Hart was tremendous..... and I’ve only seen clips of his Memphis stuff,
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Post by nate5054 on Oct 17, 2019 20:53:07 GMT -5
I feel like it's a lot easier to understand Jimmy's heat if you got to see him live using the megaphone. Absolutely. Or even if the TV mic was constantly picking his bullhorn up. He was so insufferable that it was a pleasure to see the face whack him one. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2019 21:41:31 GMT -5
He was so good. He was one of the many reasons Hogan sucked at Mania 9 or going to WCW. It was just so hard to cheer that guy.
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