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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Nov 15, 2019 17:38:24 GMT -5
I’d say for specialty channels one of the retro channels would be the best fit. Like MeTV. But nah. Horny 30 year old men who watched Mary Ann frolic around on Gilligan’s Island in the 1960s have just become old horny men who want to watch Mary Ann frolic around on Gilligan’s Island. They don’t give a shit about Nick Aldis. A _retro_ specialty channel would not be a good fit; but AXS or a channel that likewise offers a lot of "live" events (like AXS does for concerts) would be, and would get a lot of younger Boomers and older Gen-Xers who are becoming grandparents but will still flip to a Fleetwood Mac concert film and may have watched the territories or NWA back in the day. I think NWA is nailing it on the booking side, but they need some appealing characters to draw folks in. Right now it feels like a more earnest Southpaw. I just wanted to talk about old horny men. I thought this was an NWA thread.
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Post by nisidhe on Nov 15, 2019 18:34:40 GMT -5
A _retro_ specialty channel would not be a good fit; but AXS or a channel that likewise offers a lot of "live" events (like AXS does for concerts) would be, and would get a lot of younger Boomers and older Gen-Xers who are becoming grandparents but will still flip to a Fleetwood Mac concert film and may have watched the territories or NWA back in the day. I think NWA is nailing it on the booking side, but they need some appealing characters to draw folks in. Right now it feels like a more earnest Southpaw. I just wanted to talk about old horny men. I thought this was an NWA thread. You want to talk about old horny men? Throw a parody segment of Aerobicise from the early 80s onto NWA Powerrr and watch the ratings spike, _including those 18-49 men.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Nov 16, 2019 4:57:00 GMT -5
I thought Corgan had spoken more warmly about them than Lagana had. I guess it's understandable either way. They DID try to f*** him over, but he did also get paid back with interest, so he may have less hard feelings than many would. They didn't get to Daffney or Sorenson him. They didn't totally screw Corgan over because he has money for lawyers and was able to work out a settlement. He's pretty much said that the terms of his settlement included a strict NDA, so you can't really trust what he says at face value Right, right. Corgan signed an NDA so he has to keep pleasant and vague on things. Lagana, to my knowledge, didn't sign shit. How can you get larger distribution than a free show on YouTube that is accessible to everyone in the entire world? Apples and oranges, really. Youtube, they're one of 23 millions+ channels, with very little return on investment usually. Television has a smaller scope for its viewers to have to choose from, narrowing the choices to maybe a couple hundred at most, a few dozen most often. And TV ad money is way, way, way better than YT money.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Nov 16, 2019 5:33:45 GMT -5
And if you strike a TV deal, the companies aren't going to abruptly change the terms of your deal and strip 90% of your ad revenue overnight.
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Post by efarns on Nov 16, 2019 13:36:46 GMT -5
Nick Aldis said in an interview that NWA is into live event promotion. Studio shows were designed to promote live events. They are likely analyzing where their views are coming from and figuring out their next move from there.
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Post by corndog on Nov 18, 2019 11:16:51 GMT -5
Nick Aldis said in an interview that NWA is into live event promotion. Studio shows were designed to promote live events. They are likely analyzing where their views are coming from and figuring out their next move from there. Well that is how wrestling used to operate and probably should. Most of the territories used to pay channels to air their television programs to build interest for live events. I think NWA is doing well enough to run live shows and could probably draw well, especially in the southeast. Also, I believe the studio show is still a paying audience.
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Post by timelimitdraw on Nov 18, 2019 12:58:58 GMT -5
I'd love to see a smaller network with a decent reach pick it up. I think something like CBS Sports Network would be a good fit: The network is available in a lot of homes as part of carriage agreements for CBS broadcast stations, but it doesn't have any breakout hits or many major league sports events that would cause it to always be pre-empted.
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Nov 18, 2019 14:21:44 GMT -5
Well tickets sold out fairly fast for the December NWA Powerrr tapings. So instead of driving to Atlanta gonna have some people over to watch the PPV. It is only 20 bucks.
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Post by efarns on Nov 19, 2019 10:11:31 GMT -5
Nick Aldis said in an interview that NWA is into live event promotion. Studio shows were designed to promote live events. They are likely analyzing where their views are coming from and figuring out their next move from there. Well that is how wrestling used to operate and probably should. Most of the territories used to pay channels to air their television programs to build interest for live events. I think NWA is doing well enough to run live shows and could probably draw well, especially in the southeast. Also, I believe the studio show is still a paying audience. That, or they can go to local stations in those markets and say "we're doing this number of viewers in your area," and use that try to get local distribution and event promotion. It would be a slow way to build a company, but not everybody gets a big cable deal after their first TV taping. I don't know how long they'll pour money into this kind of production, but if they're being strategic, they can possibly build a company this way.
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Post by johnnyk9 on Nov 20, 2019 14:07:11 GMT -5
Never say never
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2019 14:40:42 GMT -5
Not now after all this.
A network doesn't want to deal with headache after headache for low returns, which is how Impact kept getting dropped.
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Post by Stone Coke Miami Watson 🥃 on Nov 20, 2019 15:15:32 GMT -5
Not now after all this. A network doesn't want to deal with headache after headache for low returns, which is how Impact kept getting dropped. Quit hatin’ sug...
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Post by Johnny Flamingo on Nov 20, 2019 16:27:54 GMT -5
Not now after all this. A network doesn't want to deal with headache after headache for low returns, which is how Impact kept getting dropped. Now that Cornette is gone people will forget about it if they have someone new at the next tapings. This won’t be a big story for very long. Doubt this hurts them getting/not getting TV as I don’t think there was much interest anyway. Question is if they have enough for another set of tapings
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Post by WR91 on May 11, 2020 11:04:38 GMT -5
I know TV is there ultimate goal but I believe YouTube is where they should be for now. I believe their next step would be to get local syndication and air the YouTube shows but with the pandemic putting the world basically on hold right now, I doubt that's going to happen anytime soon.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2020 13:52:58 GMT -5
I think they said they needed to find a tv deal with in like four months or they would have to shut down.
But their YouTube show and ppvs did better than they expected so they were going to continue with that business model. I know they had their next ppv outside of the studios for the Crockett cup before everything shut down.
Not sure what their post Covid plan is or how they are doing financially. But they are posting the “lost episode” of power later this month. Who knows where they will go from there.
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Post by jyrierik on May 12, 2020 1:54:26 GMT -5
If they said they need to find a tv deal in 4 months or shut down, that's nonsense. I mean, I'm sure they'd like to. But the reality is, Billy Corgan is a millionaire, and this is his side project/hobby. He's taping indie wrestling at a public broadcasting studio every 6-8 weeks, using about 20 wrestlers that he's probably paying an average of $150 to. YouTube monetization of a popular show will generate enough to probably cover all of the flights and some of the payoffs. Even if they didn't sell tickets, and didn't monetize the YouTube show, Corgan still has enough money to keep doing this. He's not spending hundreds of thousands of dollars a month on this. Probably not even $100K for the full year in expenses to do a YouTube show with indie wrestlers.. From what I understand, they do sell tickets. I believe the capacity of the studio is around 200-250 seats so considering they tape(d) a block of shows, I'm guessing the gate might cover the studio costs (if that). I also suspect they're selling merch at the shows plus the talent are also doing their own merch, so they're probably not losing a ton of money on the shows. If Billy stays with just building the brand slowly & steadily and doesn't go for hot-shotting or "adding jet fuel" (ala Dixie Carter). After all, ? has caught on with the fans, Thunder Rosa is getting a good reaction, and there's some others who definitely can get hot, so they have a decent base to work with. Jyri
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Post by Joe Neglia on May 12, 2020 4:05:19 GMT -5
If they said they need to find a tv deal in 4 months or shut down, that's nonsense. I mean, I'm sure they'd like to. But the reality is, Billy Corgan is a millionaire, and this is his side project/hobby. He's taping indie wrestling at a public broadcasting studio every 6-8 weeks, using about 20 wrestlers that he's probably paying an average of $150 to. YouTube monetization of a popular show will generate enough to probably cover all of the flights and some of the payoffs. Even if they didn't sell tickets, and didn't monetize the YouTube show, Corgan still has enough money to keep doing this. He's not spending hundreds of thousands of dollars a month on this. Probably not even $100K for the full year in expenses to do a YouTube show with indie wrestlers.. From what I understand, they do sell tickets. I believe the capacity of the studio is around 200-250 seats so considering they tape(d) a block of shows, I'm guessing the gate might cover the studio costs (if that). I also suspect they're selling merch at the shows plus the talent are also doing their own merch, so they're probably not losing a ton of money on the shows. If Billy stays with just building the brand slowly & steadily and doesn't go for hot-shotting or "adding jet fuel" (ala Dixie Carter). After all, ? has caught on with the fans, Thunder Rosa is getting a good reaction, and there's some others who definitely can get hot, so they have a decent base to work with. Jyri Question Mark's cult popularity may very well be a victim of current events. The momentum he had...I dunno, it's going to be hard to start that back up. On the other hand, Zicky Dice seems to be making the most of what's going on and really building up his brand online.
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Post by cjh on May 12, 2020 7:37:18 GMT -5
If they said they need to find a tv deal in 4 months or shut down, that's nonsense. I mean, I'm sure they'd like to. But the reality is, Billy Corgan is a millionaire, and this is his side project/hobby. He's taping indie wrestling at a public broadcasting studio every 6-8 weeks, using about 20 wrestlers that he's probably paying an average of $150 to. YouTube monetization of a popular show will generate enough to probably cover all of the flights and some of the payoffs. Even if they didn't sell tickets, and didn't monetize the YouTube show, Corgan still has enough money to keep doing this. He's not spending hundreds of thousands of dollars a month on this. Probably not even $100K for the full year in expenses to do a YouTube show with indie wrestlers.. YouTube can stop a channel from making money with its content at any time, and pro wrestling is one of the most affected genres. Wrestling companies are mostly using YT to advertise themselves, not to make money.
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Post by Joe Neglia on May 12, 2020 13:55:47 GMT -5
YouTube can stop a channel from making money with its content at any time, and pro wrestling is one of the most affected genres. Wrestling companies are mostly using YT to advertise themselves, not to make money. Corgan only uses music that he has the rights to. His channel is monetized. It's original content. He owns the music, and the matches. Nothing that anyone can file a claim against the channel for. That's a few grand a month, which covers several flights for each taping. He didn't say anything about music. Youtube hits wrestling channels hard at times because of wrestling, not music. Their more prominent advertisers really don't like getting placed on wrestling channels.
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Post by DASH 243✅ on May 12, 2020 14:29:30 GMT -5
Could see a network taking a flyer on them. There's no shows being filmed right now. so a weekly cheap show to shove in an hour timeslot could be something that interest a network.
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