|
|
Post by toodarkmark on Nov 15, 2019 14:20:51 GMT -5
He has the guts to challenge WWE's corrupt "Independent Contractor" designations. Whether you don't believe his claims of racism (even with the mountain of evidence), or you think he attacked too many other people, he will now exhibit why the WWE is in fact, an employer, and should be taxed as one. Since profit is all that matters to the McMahons, and talent is just cattle, I hope they take him to court and lose. Because they deserve to lose, and people like Luke Harper and Michael Bennett deserve to be free to pursue their careers as real independent contractors.
If they are in fact full time employees, then they should get healthcare, they should get retirement, and they should be treated as such. It's time for the WWE to start treating it's talent like humans, and not just disposable trash that is only taken care of if it makes enough noise in the media.
|
|
warden
Don Corleone
Posts: 1,358
|
Post by warden on Nov 15, 2019 14:39:39 GMT -5
Oh I thought this was going to be a joke thread, but it seems you have been sitting on this one for a while. I am sure this will be an interesting topic
|
|
Spider2024
Patti Mayonnaise
Dedicated 6,666th post to Irontyger
I believe in Joe Hendry.
Posts: 39,330 
|
Post by Spider2024 on Nov 15, 2019 14:44:00 GMT -5
I just hope he's ok going forward, both in his wrestling career (or whatever he decides to pursue as a vocation) and otherwise.
This does sound alot like the Curt Flood saga with MLB and his fight for fair free agency for all baseball players. Eventually that was achieved, but Flood himself did not benefit from the fight at all, because all the MLB teams hated him for challenging the pre-FA rules. Mostly blackballed, he played for only 1 more month's worth of games after his lawsuit (which he actually lost, but a few years later, the free agency system that he fought for was eventually implemented for all MLB players.)
|
|
|
|
Post by ogreknee on Nov 15, 2019 14:44:40 GMT -5
Employee vs independent contractor is bs wwe does to avoid insuring employees and labor laws
I mean aew already says the wrestlers are employees
If you restrict your "independent contractors" in a contract they should be termed as employees
|
|
|
|
Post by thelonewolf527 on Nov 15, 2019 14:46:18 GMT -5
Employee vs independent contractor is bs wwe does to avoid insuring employees and labor laws I mean aew already says the wrestlers are employees If you restrict your "independent contractors" in a contract they should be termed as employees This state is 100% factually not true. Their wrestlers are not employees and they don't get health insurance at AEW. Cody's crew only does because they have "executive backstage roles" or some crap like that. |
|
|
|
Post by abjordans on Nov 15, 2019 14:46:55 GMT -5
ACH is a moron.
|
|
r.
Bill S. Preston, Esq.
Bye
Posts: 16,487
|
Post by r. on Nov 15, 2019 14:47:28 GMT -5
That's one take. Another would be he handled this in the most ass way possible.
|
|
|
|
Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 15, 2019 14:49:27 GMT -5
Ehh
|
|
|
|
Post by toodarkmark on Nov 15, 2019 14:50:57 GMT -5
Employee vs independent contractor is bs wwe does to avoid insuring employees and labor laws I mean aew already says the wrestlers are employees If you restrict your "independent contractors" in a contract they should be termed as employees This state is 100% factually not true. Their wrestlers are not employees and they don't get health insurance at AEW. Cody's crew only does because they have "executive backstage roles" or some crap like that. "Of the people you saw tonight, a large percentage of them are insured with AEW because they work full-time for AEW. This is my fifth show I've done in 2019 and most people haven't been on all five shows. Of the people that have been on all five shows, most of them are full-time and have full-time benefits," said Khan. So just to be clear, it's more then just "Cody's crew." |
|
|
|
Post by KofiMania on Nov 15, 2019 14:52:25 GMT -5
He has the guts to challenge WWE's corrupt "Independent Contractor" designations. Whether you don't believe his claims of racism (even with the mountain of evidence), or you think he attacked too many other people, he will now exhibit why the WWE is in fact, an employer, and should be taxed as one. Since profit is all that matters to the McMahons, and talent is just cattle, I hope they take him to court and lose. Because they deserve to lose, and people like Luke Harper and Michael Bennett deserve to be free to pursue their careers as real independent contractors. If they are in fact full time employees, then they should get healthcare, they should get retirement, and they should be treated as such. It's time for the WWE to start treating it's talent like humans, and not just disposable trash that is only taken care of if it makes enough noise in the media. ACH is not a hero. But to some of your other points, a person can be an independent contractor and also be “exclusive” to a company, although that is one factor that lends itself to a finding that one is an employee. And if they are considered employees, they’re not automatically entitled to receive health care or a pension. |
|
|
|
Post by thelonewolf527 on Nov 15, 2019 14:52:45 GMT -5
How exactly do they work full time for AEW if they work one day a week? And Jericho isn't the best example to use either. Kahn's statement is vague enough that it doesn't say anything. Not to mention Moxley isn't a full time AEW employee either as he does work for other wrestling companies still. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2019 14:53:40 GMT -5
|
|
|
|
Post by KofiMania on Nov 15, 2019 14:56:25 GMT -5
He’s being very coy with the wording here saying that “most” of the people that had been on all five shows had health care. Again, they don’t consider the wrestlers employees and give them health care. They hire some of the wrestlers to full-time office positions besides wrestler and give those guys health care. Here’s some of the rest of the quotes he gave for context: “ “Of the people you saw tonight, a large percentage of them are insured with AEW because they work full-time for AEW,” Khan said. “This is my fifth show I’ve done in 2019, and most people haven’t been on all five shows. Of the people that have been on all five shows, most of them are full-time and have full-time benefits.” He then explained that one of AEW’s top stars, Jon Moxley, isn’t covered by AEW. Instead, he receives healthcare from his former employer, WWE. This is because of his wife, Renee Young, who is a full-time WWE employee. “Jon Moxley actually does get healthcare, but he gets it through his wife [Renee Young] who is a full-time employee elsewhere,” he stated. “But Kenny [Omega] does get healthcare and is a full-time employee as are a lot of people. Kenny is a part of my office and he works a full-time job. There’s other people like Britt Baker who’s full-time job is a dentist, and she’s come in and wrestle I wanna say four of the five shows.” Khan added that there are some people working for AEW who have only done a couple of spots this past year, and so aren’t classified as full-time employees. He confessed it was a “complicated answer.” “ |
|
|
|
Post by toodarkmark on Nov 15, 2019 14:58:29 GMT -5
He has the guts to challenge WWE's corrupt "Independent Contractor" designations. Whether you don't believe his claims of racism (even with the mountain of evidence), or you think he attacked too many other people, he will now exhibit why the WWE is in fact, an employer, and should be taxed as one. Since profit is all that matters to the McMahons, and talent is just cattle, I hope they take him to court and lose. Because they deserve to lose, and people like Luke Harper and Michael Bennett deserve to be free to pursue their careers as real independent contractors. If they are in fact full time employees, then they should get healthcare, they should get retirement, and they should be treated as such. It's time for the WWE to start treating it's talent like humans, and not just disposable trash that is only taken care of if it makes enough noise in the media. ACH is not a hero. But to some of your other points, a person can be an independent contractor and also be “exclusive” to a company, although that is one factor that lends itself to a finding that one is an employee. And if they are considered employees, they’re not automatically entitled to receive health care or a pension. " employers with 50 or more “full-time equivalent” employees may be fined for failing to provide coverage to their full-time employees (and their dependants). In determining whether you have 50 or more full-time equivalent employees, you must include the hours worked by your part-time employees." |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2019 14:58:32 GMT -5
Don't forget, Myles also paved the wave for the rights of little people: that's why Shorty G is on weekly television.
|
|
|
|
Post by Cyno on Nov 15, 2019 15:01:12 GMT -5
AEW uses a lot of wrestlers in backstage roles, so they'd still be independent contractors as pure wrestlers. But because they have other roles in the company besides just wrestlers, they can also be put on the books as full-time employees and get benefits that way. Or they get benefits from their actual full-time jobs (like Britt Baker is a real dentist and that's her day job). Interestingly, Jon Moxley gets his health insurance through WWE as he's covered as Renee's husband.
|
|
|
|
Post by toodarkmark on Nov 15, 2019 15:03:26 GMT -5
He’s being very coy with the wording here saying that “most” of the people that had been on all five shows had health care. Again, they don’t consider the wrestlers employees and give them health care. They hire some of the wrestlers to full-time office positions besides wrestler and give those guys health care. Here’s some of the rest of the quotes he gave for context: “ “Of the people you saw tonight, a large percentage of them are insured with AEW because they work full-time for AEW,” Khan said. “This is my fifth show I’ve done in 2019, and most people haven’t been on all five shows. Of the people that have been on all five shows, most of them are full-time and have full-time benefits.” He then explained that one of AEW’s top stars, Jon Moxley, isn’t covered by AEW. Instead, he receives healthcare from his former employer, WWE. This is because of his wife, Renee Young, who is a full-time WWE employee. “Jon Moxley actually does get healthcare, but he gets it through his wife [Renee Young] who is a full-time employee elsewhere,” he stated. “But Kenny [Omega] does get healthcare and is a full-time employee as are a lot of people. Kenny is a part of my office and he works a full-time job. There’s other people like Britt Baker who’s full-time job is a dentist, and she’s come in and wrestle I wanna say four of the five shows.” Khan added that there are some people working for AEW who have only done a couple of spots this past year, and so aren’t classified as full-time employees. He confessed it was a “complicated answer.” “ AEW has some wrestlers who are employees and get healthcare. WWE has no wrestlers as employees, to avoid taxes and healthcare. WWE wrestlers are not allowed to leave when they want. This is my point. You can point out that not ALL AEW wrestlers have healthcare, because some only come in spots or have healthcare elsewhere. But NO WWE wrestlers get healthcare, and are designated "independent contractors", when they are not, and treated below what they deserve. An independent contractor in AEW can wrestler for another promotion, and Independent Contractor in WWE can't leave even if they beg in public on social media to be let go. And if they can't work elsewhere as an "independent contractor", at least give them some healthcare. This is the point that's being made. |
|
|
|
Post by Natural Born Farmer on Nov 15, 2019 15:04:35 GMT -5
WWE insuring one of AEW’s biggest names is pretty rich.
|
|
|
|
Post by KofiMania on Nov 15, 2019 15:06:49 GMT -5
ACH is not a hero. But to some of your other points, a person can be an independent contractor and also be “exclusive” to a company, although that is one factor that lends itself to a finding that one is an employee. And if they are considered employees, they’re not automatically entitled to receive health care or a pension. " employers with 50 or more “full-time equivalent” employees may be fined for failing to provide coverage to their full-time employees (and their dependants). In determining whether you have 50 or more full-time equivalent employees, you must include the hours worked by your part-time employees." Well aware of the ACA. If the cost of healthcare would be too prohibitive (as it may be for those in this line of work), they can pay a fine. |
|
|
|
Post by toodarkmark on Nov 15, 2019 15:07:52 GMT -5
WWE insuring one of AEW’s biggest names is pretty rich. WWE has to pay the healthcare of a worker for another promotion, before they pay the healthcare of their own EMPLOYEES, because they won't call the wrestlers who work for them full time and are not allowed to leave "employees." McMahon pays for AEW death matches healthcare over his own TLC matches healthcare because... why? I can tell you why, because to McMahon his wrestlers are replaceable. He only cares if it makes the news. |
|
