💺 Official WWE TLC 2019 PPV Thread

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Dec 15, 2019 22:15:49 GMT -5 Oh Cry Me a Screwball said:

Dec 15, 2019 22:14:35 GMT -5 @rebelliousworkhorse said:

I think that brawl was ad libbed too because they wanted to keep Kairi offscreen.

No way are they just pulling together a spear off the lower bowl into the floor onto a bunch of people without advance notice.

I turned it off before that part happened.

[Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]]

Dec 15, 2019 22:16:33 GMT -5 Phil Parent said:

Thinking Kabukis have to relinquish the belts while Kairi recovers from her obvious injury.

That's really only gonna make the belts even more pathetic, at this point they were barely hanging on as it is.

[The Rick Jericho]

Dec 15, 2019 22:18:06 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

Dec 15, 2019 22:16:33 GMT -5 Phil Parent said:

Thinking Kabukis have to relinquish the belts while Kairi recovers from her obvious injury.

That's really only gonna make the belts even more pathetic, at this point they were barely hanging on as it is.

Asuka calls up her "friend" Io Shirai.

Done!

[Oh Cry Me a Screwball]

Dec 15, 2019 22:16:18 GMT -5 @rebelliousworkhorse said:

Dec 15, 2019 22:15:32 GMT -5 Lizuka #BLM said:

I don't think so since they laid the groundwork for it talking about it at the start of the match.

Ah. I was mostly watching football. Why were there like twenty people fighting?

The brawl started during the Reigns vs. Corbin match, and they went backstage for a Street Profits promo, and they brawled into their promo and they joined the fight.

It was like the game Katamari Damacy where the fight just picked up whoever was backstage until half the roster was in it.

[gl83]

Dec 15, 2019 22:16:33 GMT -5 Phil Parent said:

Thinking Kabukis have to relinquish the belts while Kairi recovers from her obvious injury.

The IIconics went months without defending the titles, so i'm sure they'll be fine keeping it on them until Kairi recovers.

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Dec 15, 2019 22:18:55 GMT -5 The Rick Jericho said:

Dec 15, 2019 22:18:06 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

That's really only gonna make the belts even more pathetic, at this point they were barely hanging on as it is.

Asuka calls up her "friend" Io Shirai.

Done!

Io must be protected at all costs and Vince must never ever know she exsists.

[Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]]

Dec 15, 2019 22:18:55 GMT -5 The Rick Jericho said:

Dec 15, 2019 22:18:06 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

That's really only gonna make the belts even more pathetic, at this point they were barely hanging on as it is.

Asuka calls up her "friend" Io Shirai.

Done!

I'd rather the tag belts be ruined than Io Shirai be ruined

[Mister Pigwell]

Dec 15, 2019 22:16:55 GMT -5 EoE: Well There's Your Problem said:

By the way, the great blonde oppressor is now on the longest TV losing streak of her career, dropping her last six straight now.

I feel like you only say these things to get a gotcha on posters.

[XIII]

Dec 15, 2019 22:21:41 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

Dec 15, 2019 22:18:55 GMT -5 The Rick Jericho said:

Asuka calls up her "friend" Io Shirai.

Done!

I'd rather the tag belts be ruined than Io Shirai be ruined

I mean, it’s only a matter of time until it happens anyways, may as well get it over with.

[Rumble McSkirmish]

Hopefully Kairi's okay and for now they should put the Women's tag belts on the back burner and have Asuka/Lynch 2 at the Rumble.

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Is that the first time the women's division has main-evented two PPVs in a row?

If nothing else definitely the first time they've main-evented the same PPV in back-to-back years. ... Granted I don't know why they didn't close the Rumble this year given no one really cared about anything after Becky's moment and it took me a minute to remember that they didn't.

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Dec 15, 2019 22:22:58 GMT -5 Mister Pigwell said:

Dec 15, 2019 22:16:55 GMT -5 EoE: Well There's Your Problem said:

By the way, the great blonde oppressor is now on the longest TV losing streak of her career, dropping her last six straight now.

I feel like you only say these things to get a gotcha on posters.

Seriously. I have a lot to say about it actually, but I won't. But I'm tired of reading it in threads.

[XIII]

Dec 15, 2019 22:28:09 GMT -5 Lizuka #BLM said:

Is that the first time the women's division has main-evented two PPVs in a row?

If nothing else definitely the first time they've main-evented the same PPV in back-to-back years. ... Granted I don't know why they didn't close the Rumble this year given no one really cared about anything after Becky's moment and it took me a minute to remember that they didn't.

Probably the last time for a while, because I’ll go out on a limb and guess that Vince hated that match.

[EoE: Well There's Your Problem]

Dec 15, 2019 22:40:53 GMT -5 @mrsirdrdaddy said:

Dec 15, 2019 22:22:58 GMT -5 Mister Pigwell said:

I feel like you only say these things to get a gotcha on posters.

Seriously. I have a lot to say about it actually, but I won't. But I'm tired of reading it in threads.

If there’s something you want to get off your chest about me, say it. Honestly, I’d bet you’re not the only one, I know how grating I can get with this.

[hbkid718]

TLC was a very good show. Every match from Carrillo VS Andrade on the Kickoff until Reigns VS Corbin was excellent. Then the show went downhill with Reigns VS Corbin, Miz VS Wyatt, & Rusev VS Lashley. But the main event got the show back on track, with a great match between Flair & Lynch & The Kabuki Warriors. So, with 5 out of the 8 matches being excellent, it was a great show and a great way to end the 2019 PPV Calendar.

Here's the Complete History of the WWE TLC PPV, updated with 2019 Results

Here's a look at every Chairs, Ladder, Tables, & TLC Match in WWE History:


Here are the Facts & Stats for WWE TLC:
- WWE TLC was the 1st PPV since Elimination Chamber on February 16 that Seth Rollins did not compete on 2019, ending an 11-PPV streak which was the most in 2019, therefore no one has competed on every PPV of 2019
- WWE TLC was the 1st time since 2014 that there was only 1 Women’s Match on a TLC PPV & the 1st PPV since Crown Jewel on October 31 to have only 1 Women’s Match in 2019
-WWE TLC was the 3rd PPV in a row to not have a Raw Women’s Championship Match, the 1st PPV since Fastlane on March 11 to not have a Universal Championship Match, the 1st PPV since Hell In A Cell on October 5 to not have a WWE Championship Match, the 2nd PPV in a row to not have a Smackdown Women’s Championship Match, the 4th PPV in a row to not have an Intercontinental Championship Match, & the 2nd PPV in a row to not have a United States Championship Match, the 1st PPV of 2019 to have only Tag Team Championship Matches & no Single Title Matches, the 1st TLC PPV since 2017 to not have a WWE or Intercontinental Title Match, the 1st since 2010 to not have a Women’s Title Match, & the 4th in a row to not have a United States Championship, & the Universal Title has never been defended at a TLC PPV
- Humberto Carrillo VS Andrade was the 13th Kickoff Match in TLC PPV History & the 11th year in a row, Humberto Carrillo & Andrade’s TLC PPV debut & their 1st PPV of 2019 & 1st PPV opener since Crown Jewel on October 31, & was the 1st time since Crown Jewel that a match from Raw was re-matched on the following week’s PPV, as this was their 2nd match against each other, & their 1st re-match
- The New Day VS The Revival was the 7th Ladder Match of 2019, the 1st since NXT on November 20, the 1st for WWE proper since Smackdown on October 4, & the 1st on PPV since Money In The Bank on May 19, the 10th Ladder Match at a TLC PPV & 2nd year in a row, & the 69th Ladder Match in WWE History, the 1st 2-on-2 Tag Team Ladder Match in TLC PPV History & the 1st in WWE since The Hardy Boyz VS The World’s Greatest Tag Team at ECW One Night Stand on June 3, 2007 & only the 5th in History, the 9th Tag Team Championship Match in TLC PPV History & the 2nd year in a row, the 13th Smackdown Tag Team Championship Match in 2019, the 1st since Smackdown on November 29, & the 1st on PPV since Clash of Champions on September 15, the 1st Ladder Match for the Tag Team Titles at a TLC PPV since a Triple Threat Ladder Match in 2015, Big E’s 4th TLC PPV & 1st since 2015, his 2nd Ladder Match & 1st since 2015, & his 2nd Tag Team Title Match & 1st since 2015 at a TLC PPV, & his 3rd PPV in a row in 2019, Kofi Kingston’s 9th TLC PPV, keeping his record as the wrestler with the most TLC PPV Matches in History & 2nd in a row, his 3rd Ladder Match at a TLC PPV, but 10th in his career, which is the 5th of all-time, after Christian (14), Jeff Hardy (13), Dolph Ziggler (12), & Matt Hardy (11), his 4th Tag Team Title Match at a TLC PPV & 2nd in a row & his 3rd PPV in a row in 2019, The Revival’s TLC PPV debut, making them the 1st wrestlers since The Lucha Dragons in 2015 to make their TLC PPV debut competing in a Ladder Match, the 5th Ladder Match to open a TLC PPV & 1st since 2015, Big E’s 2nd TLC PPV opener & 1st since 2015, Kofi Kingston’s 3rd TLC PPV opener & 1st since 2015, & The Revival’s 1st TLC PPV opener, & the 3rd Tag Team Title Match to open a TLC PPV & the 1st since 2016, & was the 3rd 2-on-2 Match between The New Day & The Revival, with their 1st match taking place on Smackdown on November 8, 2019, which was won by The New Day & their last match prior to TLC taking place on Smackdown on November 15, 2019, which ended in a No Contest, therefore, in their 3 matches, The New Day has won twice, The Revival has won none, & 1 match ended in a No Contest, The New Day were the 1st Smackdown Tag Team Champions of 2019 to have a 3rd successful Title Defense, as every other Champion of 2019 have lost their titles on either their 1st, 2nd, or 3rd defense
- Aleister Black VS Buddy Murphy was Aleister Black’s TLC PPV debut & his 1st PPV of 2019 since Extreme Rules on May 19 & was Buddy Murphy’s 2nd TLC PPV in a row, his 1st Non-Title Match at a TLC PPV, & his 1st PPV of 2019 since Crown Jewel on October 31
- The Viking Raiders VS The OC was the 10th Tag Team Championship Match in TLC PPV History & the 2nd year in a row, but this will be the 1st ever Raw Tag Team Title Match in TLC PPV History, & the 1st time in TLC PPV History that there were 2 Tag Team Title Matches, the 18th Raw Tag Team Championship Match of 2019, the 1st since Raw on December 9, & the 1st on PPV since Clash of Champions on September 15, The Viking Raiders’ TLC PPV debut & the 1st Tag Team Champions since Vladimir Kozlov & Santino Marella in 2010 to make their TLC PPV debut as defending Tag Team Champions, & their 4th PPV in a row in 2019, Karl Anderson & Luke Gallows’ TLC PPV debut, making them the 1st team since The Lucha Dragons in 2015 to make their TLC PPV debut challenging for the Tag Team Championship, & their 3rd PPV in a row, & was the 4th 2-on-2 Tag Team Match between The Viking Raiders & The OC, with their 1st match taking place on Raw on June 24 & their final match prior to TLC taking place on Raw on September 3, with all 3 previous matches being won by The Viking Raiders & this final match ending in a No Contest, the 16th Count Out of 2019, the 1st since NXT UK on November 28, the 1st for WWE proper & PPV since Crown Jewel, the 40th No Contest of 2019, the 1st since Smackdown on December 13, & the 1st on PPV since Hell In A Cell on October 5, & the 1st ever Count Out & No Contest in TLC PPV History, & The Viking Raiders were the 1st Raw Tag Team Champions since The Revival on Raw on April 1 to have 3 successful Tag Team Title defenses
- Roman Reigns VS King Corbin was the 1st Tables, Ladders, & Chairs Match of 2019, the 12th in TLC PPV History, & the 24th in WWE History, & 11th year in a row, Roman Reigns’ 4th TLC PPV & 1st since 2015, his 3rd Tables, Ladders, & Chairs Match at the TLC PPV & 1st since 2015, & his 5th PPV in a row in 2019, King Corbin’s 3rd TLC PPV & 2nd in a row, his 2nd Tables, Ladders, & Chairs Match in a row at TLC, but 3rd in his Career, & his 3rd Gimmick Match at a TLC PPV & his 4th PPV in a row in 2019, Corbin, along with Asuka, Charlotte Flair, & Becky Lynch was the 3rd year in a row that someone will be competing in back-to-back TLC Matches, as Dean Ambrose did it in 2016 & 2017 & Braun Strowman did it in 2017 & 2018, & was the 4th 1-on-1 Match between Reigns & Corbin, with their 1st match taking place on Raw on August 6, 2018, which was won by Reigns, & their final match before TLC taking place on Smackdown on November 8, 2019, which was won by Corbin, so now in their 4 matches, Reigns won twice & Corbin won twice
- The Miz VS Bray Wyatt was the 1st ever Non-Title Match in WWE TLC PPV History & the 1st Non-Title Match featuring the Universal Champion on PPV in 2019, The Miz’s 8th TLC PPV & 1st since 2017, his 1st Non-Title Non-Gimmick Match in TLC PPV History, & his 1st PPV of 2019 since Clash of Champions on September 16, Bray Wyatt’s 5th TLC PPV & 1st since 2016, & his 1st Non-Title Non-Gimmick Match in TLC PPV History & his 4th PPV in a row in 2019, & the 1st ever 1-on-1 Match between The Miz & Bray Wyatt in their career
- Rusev VS Bobby Lashley was the 2nd Tables Match of 2019 & the 1st since Raw on February 18, the 10th Tables Match at a TLC PPV & 2nd year in a row, & 65th Tables Match in WWE History, the 1st 1-on-1 Men’s Singles Tables Match at a TLC PPV since John Cena VS Seth Rollins in 2014, Rusev’s 3rd TLC PPV & 1st since 2015 & 1st Tables Match at a TLC PPV & his WWE career, & his 1st match overall in 2019 since he defeated Drew McIntyre by Disqualification on Raw on November 4 & his 1st PPV since Crown Jewel on October 31, Bobby Lashley’s 2nd TLC PPV in a row & his 1st Tables Match at a TLC PPV, but 2nd in his Career, as he defeated Mr. Kennedy & Randy Orton in a Handicap Table Match on Smackdown on March 23, 2007, & his 1st PPV since Crown Jewel on October 31
- Charlotte Flair & Becky Lynch VS The Kabuki Warriors was the 2nd Tables, Ladders, & Chairs Match of 2019, the 13th in TLC PPV History, & the 25th in WWE History, & 11th year in a row, the 2nd year in a row there were 2, & the 2nd year in a row there was a Women’s Tables, Ladders, & Chairs Match, not counting 6-Man Tag Teams or the5-on-3 Handicap Match in 2017, this was the 1st Tag Team Tables, Ladders, & Chairs Match since D-Generation X VS The Big Show & Chris Jericho in 2009, & only the 2nd in History after the aforementioned match, the 1st ever Women’s Tag Team Championship Match in TLC PPV History & the 14th Women’s Tag Team Championship Match of 2019, the 1st since Starrcade on December 1, & the 1st on PPV since Hell In A Cell on October 5, Charlotte Flair’s 3rd TLC PPV & 2nd in a row, & her 2nd Tables, Ladders, & Chairs Match in a row, & her 2nd PPV in a row in 2019, Becky Lynch’s 4th TLC PPV & 2nd in a row, & her 2nd Tables, Ladders, & Chairs Match in a row, & her 2nd PPV in a row in 2019, & the 1st time she’s not defending a Women’s Title at a TLC PPV since she lost to Sasha Banks in a Kickoff Match prior to TLC in 2015, but she will be the 1st wrestler to be a Women’s Champion at back-to-back TLC PPVs, & they were the 2nd year in a row, after Dean Ambrose & Seth Rollins in 2017 & 2018 to be opponents & then partners at back-to-back TLC PPVs, & the 2nd year in a row that they wrestled Asuka in a TLC Match, which is the 1st time since Rhyno & Bray Wyatt in 2015 & 2016 that someone wrestled the same opponent at back-to-back TLC PPVs, Asuka, Flair, & Lynch, along with King Corbin, were the 3rd year in a row that someone competed in back-to-back TLC Matches, as Dean Ambrose did it in 2016 & 2017 & Braun Strowman did it in 2017 & 2018, Asuka’s 3rd TLC PPV in a row & 2nd Tables, Ladders, & Chairs Match in a row, & her 2nd PPV in a row in 2019, Kairi Sane’s TLC PPV debut & 2nd PPV in a row & was the 1st wrestler since AJ Styles in 2016 to make their TLC PPV debut, competing in a Tables, Ladders, & Chairs Match, was the 9th Tables, Ladders, & Chairs Match to main event & the 7th year in a row, Kairi Sane’s TLC PPV main event debut, Asuka, Charlotte Flair, & Becky Lynch’s 2nd TLC PPV maim event in a row, making them the 1st since Dean Ambrose in 2016 & 2017 to compete in back-to-back TLC PPV main events, Asuka & Sane’s 1st PPV main event of 2019, Flair’s 2nd PPV main event of 2019 & 1st since WrestleMania on April 7 & was Lynch’s 3rd PPV main event of 2019 & 2nd PPV main event in a row, & was the 3rd match between Flair & Lynch & The Kabuki Warriors, with the 1st match taking place on Raw on October 7, 2019 & their final match prior to TLC taking place on Raw on November 11, with The Kabuki Warriors winning all 3 matches, & the Kabuki Warriors were the 1st Women’s Tag Team Champions to have 4 successful Title Defenses, as both The Iiconics & Bliss & Cross lost their titles on their 4th defense, & Banks & Bayley lost their titles on their 2nd defense

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Dec 15, 2019 22:46:41 GMT -5 EoE: Well There's Your Problem said:

Dec 15, 2019 22:40:53 GMT -5 @mrsirdrdaddy said:

Seriously. I have a lot to say about it actually, but I won't. But I'm tired of reading it in threads.

If there’s something you want to get off your chest about me, say it. Honestly, I’d bet you’re not the only one, I know how grating I can get with this.

I don't dislike you, but I hate how you sling your win/loss stats at people like weapons to combat some sort of perceived bias (that has often times already passed, like the claim people would be complaining about anyone who wasn't Roman, when I see people complaining about Roman's getting geek booking all the time). And you do it A LOT. Like, almost every day a lot. You're always the first guy to be there to say something like "Well if the other person won that would just be 50/50 booking!" ignoring context of situation and instead making it about the opinion you seem to have that the IWC is unpleasable. It's not always unwarranted criticism, but it's often times turning one discussion into another, or as pig put it, a gotcha moment. It ignores all nuance of the situations and tries to turn things into black and white situations that don't exist. On top of that, no one is usually going to say anything because you are a mod, so they just kind of take it. Though you have clashed with Pigwell over it on at least three occasions now that I can remember off the top of my head.

[Mister Pigwell]

Overall I liked it tonight.
Anyone who missed it I'd recommend the hell out of Buddy/Black if nothing else.

[The Kevstaaa]

WWE TLC
December 15th, 2019 | Target Center in Minneapolis, Minnesota

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Andrade vs. Humberto Carrillo
I love the Kickoff Show sometimes. Their match on Raw six days ago was very good. These two feel like they can have a good match in their sleep. There were plenty of entertaining exchanges here and the crowd was pretty into it despite not fulling filing in yet. Andrade took a rough spill to the outside but seemed to be okay. The big spot after was Andrade’s hanging double stomp to the outside. It looks dope when it connects but I hate the spot where guys hold themselves in place for that kind of move. They ran back the spot from Monday that caused the Andrade/Zelina argument but it was only done for a near fall here. However, their arguing led to Carrillo hitting a super reverse rana and a moonsault to win in 12:38. Another damn good outing between them. A slight step above the Raw one. Big fan of their chemistry. [***¾]

More arguing from Andrade and Zelina after the match. Splitting them would be a drastic mistake.

Onto the main card and I want to commend the opening video package. It was narrated by Bray Wyatt and done in the format of an edition of the Firefly Funhouse.

WWE Smackdown Tag Team Championship Ladder Match: The New Day [c] vs. The Revival
Two of the best teams in the world in a ladder match? Yes, please. It also gives us a fresh look at a longstanding rivalry. Kofi Kingston shined early on. The spot where he avoided hitting the ladder after being thrown into it and then hit a dive outside was great. He’s a creative dude who is still doing his thing despite losing the WWE Title. Big E looked like he wrecked his knee when falling off of a ladder. It was gross. Thankfully, he was able to continue. Kofi got another sweet balance spot on the ropes which led to a rebound attack and culminated with Trouble in Paradise. Just a great sequence that reminds people how phenomenal Kingston is. They kept building to bigger spots late that added to the drama. It looked ike the Revival would win after Big E hit Dash Wilder with the Big Ending off a ladder, leaving Kofi hanging by his leg and Scott Dawson by the titles. But Kofi found a way to knock him off and onto debris down low before retrieving the titles at 19:03. Great stuff here. A ladder match that delivered the kind of action that I want and managed to give us creative spots. [***¾]

Aleister Black vs. Buddy Murphy
Show stealing potential here. Murphy sat cross-legged in front of Black during his entrance and it was great. The same goes for the attempted Black Mass at the bell. Buddy managed to wear down Black but did so while also hitting him with hard shots. In fact, Black was bloodied and holding his jaw about five minutes into this. That fired him up as he started in with stiffer shots and his quebrada. I loved the way they managed to take their usual spots and work around counters. For instance, Black blocked a sunset flip bomb, so Murphy slipped out and started delivering a bunch of superkicks before hitting a running powerbomb. That’s the stuff I like. Murphy seemed to get a bit too cocky before a knee and you thought Aleister was rallying but Buddy fired off stiff knees and a brainbuster for two. And just when it looked like Buddy might take this, Aleister hit Black Mass from out of nowhere to win in 13:40. It was one of the best finishing sequences you’ll find anywhere. Fantastic pro wrestling. Two guys having a hard hitting match where both looked to steal the show. Buddy lost nothing in defeat and both men should get pushed out of this. [****¼]

WWE Raw Tag Team Championship: The Viking Raiders [c] vs. The O.C.
If the O.C. was going to answer the open challenge, why not just announce the match beforehand? Honestly, I couldn’t have been less interested in this. The O.C. haven’t done anything for me as a team in years and their chemistry with the Viking Raiders isn’t lighting the world on fire. Considering the result at Crown Jewel, this did make sense as a title match. Anyway, the action was about as average as you would expect. The crowd booed loudly as the whole ordeal just led to a double countout finish after 8:28. This was booked as something of an even affair but it never got interesting and that ending was pretty lame. [*½]

After the match, they continued fighting and Karl Anderson got put through the KFC table. Don’t ask.

TLC Match: King Corbin vs. Roman Reigns
This feud has been bad but Corbin can deliver in some big matches. His Chairs Match with Kalisto at TLC 2016 is an underrated gem. Corbin’s random dudes who carry him to the ring attacked Reigns before the bell and got taken out. That set up a brawl between he and Corbin around the arena for a bit. Corbin was a great heel here. He refused to use a table when the fans wanted him to and he kept cutting off Reigns’ comebacks in cool ways. My biggest issue with this match was that it didn’t use the TLC stipulation much until near the end. I understand you can try a different take on the match with another coming later but I wanted it a bit more. Just when they got going with the big spots, Dolph Ziggler arrived from under the ring to interfere. And if there’s one way to make me lose interest, it’s Ziggler. That led to more run-ins from Corbin’s security and the Revival. They all jumped Roman, who got no help from friends like Ali and Shorty G. Corbin won with End of Days on a chair in 22:10. There were good ideas in this one and I think that as a normal match, it worked in the beginning. When they started using the TLC stuff, it was hitting the next level but then died with all of the shenanigans. [**½]

Bray Wyatt vs. The Miz
So, I guess this was non-title. Everyone was intrigued by how Bray Wyatt would perform here since he wasn’t the Fiend. He came out in his Firefly Funhouse clothes and waved to everyone like a cheerful good guy. Miz dominated because Bray didn’t want to fight. He was just there to have a good time. Miz hit the Skull Crushing Finale but didn’t cover. Bray laughed at some of the pain and shouted “DO IT” when Miz snapped his arm like Pentagon Jr. After popping his shoulder back into place, Bray turned it on. He hit two Sister Abigail, stopping to revert to smile in between them. The second got the win in 6:36. It’s hard to rate this. As a pure match, it wasn’t anything special. But it told a great story and the Bray character is incredibly intriguing right now. I enjoyed this whole thing. [***]

Post-match, the Fiend appeared on the tron. Bray looked and said he’ll do it, before getting the giant mallet out from under the ring. Before he could swing it, the lights went out to signal the arrival of the Fiend. However, that wasn’t the case. The lights came back on and a man in a maroon hoodie hit Bray with the Busaiku Knee! He removed the hoodie to reveal himself as Daniel Bryan with a haircut. Bryan went to use the mallet but the lights went out and when they came back on, Bray was gone. Bryan awkwardly slammed the hammer down and then celebrated with the crowd. This was a very good piece of business.

Tables Match: Bobby Lashley vs. Rusev
Not exactly a match I’m excited for, even though I really like Rusev. I feel like this didn’t get off to as aggressive a start as I wanted. It wasn’t like they started with chain wrestling but I just wanted more. Anyway, I liked the teases of the table getting broken. The crowd seemed into it as they nearly suplexed one another. I also dug the way they used other weapons. Does it make sense within the rules? Nah, but whatever. Rusev going through the guardrail looked brutal. Rusev fired up near the end and started getting some revenge on Lashley with a kendo stick. Alas, Lashley delivered a spinebuster through a table in the corner to secure the win in 13:04. This was a match that happened. I’m not all that invested in the program and this didn’t do much to help. [*¾]

WWE Women's Tag Team Championship TLC Match: The Kabuki Warriors [c] vs. Becky Lynch & Charlotte Flair
Considering what Asuka, Becky Lynch, and Charlotte Flair did at last year’s TLC (****¾), I came in stoked for this. Despite not being the friendly partners, the challengers came out with the aggression. They beat on both Asuka and Kairi before going after the ladder. I loved Kairi tossing chairs at her opponents but when the tables turned, she went scurrying under the ring, only to come out with a fire extinguisher. Just good stuff. The champions tying Becky to a ladder was a great and creative spot. It’s the kind of thing I look for after we’ve seen so many of these kinds of matches. It was basically a damsel in distress scene from an old timey cartoon. Once Becky was freed, her team rallied for the next stage of this one. A lot of the spots in this match came off weird. Like girls weren’t in the right position at times and it led to some strange moments. The finish was a ton of fun. The rope came into play again as it was used to pull the ladder down and send Becky Lynch crashing to the ground. Asuka then got the titles to retain in 25:55. This was good but ultimately disappointed me. [***¼]

Instead of letting the Kabuki Warriors celebrate to end the show, we got an angle where a bunch of dudes brawled from the backstage area to the arena. Roman Reigns Speared Corbin into a crowd of people. Lame.

Overall: 6/10. A show with plenty of ups and downs. It started hot as hell. Andrade/Humberto, the ladder match, and Black/Murphy were all great. Then the show hit a lull with two lackluster matches. Things picked up for the Bray/Miz/Bryan stuff as it was all super interesting. I didn’t care for Rusev/Lashley and while I was disappointed in the main event, I believe it was still quite good.

[ayumidah]

[EoE: Well There's Your Problem]

Dec 15, 2019 22:56:18 GMT -5 @mrsirdrdaddy said:

Dec 15, 2019 22:46:41 GMT -5 EoE: Well There's Your Problem said:

If there’s something you want to get off your chest about me, say it. Honestly, I’d bet you’re not the only one, I know how grating I can get with this.

I don't dislike you, but I hate how you sling your win/loss stats at people like weapons to combat some sort of perceived bias (that has often times already passed, like the claim people would be complaining about anyone who wasn't Roman, when I see people complaining about Roman's getting geek booking all the time). And you do it A LOT. Like, almost every day a lot. You're always the first guy to be there to say something like "Well if the other person won that would just be 50/50 booking!" ignoring context of situation and instead making it about the opinion you seem to have that the IWC is unpleasable. It's not always unwarranted criticism, but it's often times turning one discussion into another, or as pig put it, a gotcha moment. It ignores all nuance of the situations and tries to turn things into black and white situations that don't exist. On top of that, no one is usually going to say anything because you are a mod, so they just kind of take it. Though you have clashed with Pigwell over it on at least three occasions now that I can remember off the top of my head.

Honestly, it's a combination of things. Firstly, it's because I've REALLY entrenched myself in the statistical stuff since I started doing this points ranking project, probably to a fault. In all honesty, I might wrap it up after I finish 2013 and this year finishes up too. Secondly, it's because I try so damn hard not to get swept up in the myriad of narratives there are about WWE booking, most of them related to "what Vince thinks" about a talent, and try to watch this stuff pragmatically, on face value with an open mind. And as such, I feel like a lot of the narratives kind of contradict each other. Thirdly... I just can't get as angry about this stuff as other people do. A lot of it just doesn't bother me, and most of that comes back to the second thing about the narratives. But like you say, it does miss a lot of nuance, and if that's something I'm not picking up because of how I choose to watch WWE in recent times, then that's on me.

If any of this has caused a conflict between me and you, or me and other people here, or me and other moderators (believe me, Pig has been trying to keep me in check a lot more times than you've counted), then I'm sorry. I'm not actively trying to be an asshole or a jerk when I say this stuff. It's just me going "This statistic doesn't line up with this narrative, so what gives?".

Thanks for being respectful and not making it a personal thing.